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Well you got the point there about how we're all gonna like certain artists more than others, it's healthy to have debates, that's what this discussion forum is for... Now we could agree to disagree to how we feel about G-Unit, you clearly like them more than me, I try not to be a hater like some fans on the artists that I don't like much when I look at things at a realistic point of view, like I was saying earlier I like to give credit to all artists to a point 'cause I look at it from the way I'm artist trying to make it myself that it's hard work to get in the game and just the fact that they made it means something, only a select few have hits and have people recognize them so credit's due there... Now to answer your question clearly the thin line between legends and the "Hot" rappers is that the legends made a positive and original impact on the way their music has been present while the "Hot" rappers just copy what was previously done and do what the record company tells them to do to sell records, basically it's like the "Lost & Found" song that Will made, he has too much class to disrespect anybody but you could basically insert most of today's radio rappers under the lost bin while the found artists are the legends like Rakim, Lauryn Hill, Nas Esco, and Dead Prez, clearly most of today's rappers are lost and that's why the state of hip hop is at a dire level, I made a comparison from hip hop to the NBA earlier but at least the NBA's still watchable even though there aren't that many legends playing anymore like Jordan-Pippen-Barkley-Ewing were playing when I was growing up but really though time tells all maybe there will be more legends to emerge in hip hop, the final book hasn't been written but maybe if artists like G-Unit do something more original then they will be legends one day... Now clearly record sales don't make legends, people don't buy much music these days in general across the board, the only reason I brought them up is 'cause G-Unit was making it look like they were untouchable and that they were bigger there bigger than hip hop when they bring up record sales as the main criteria to judge artists.... Btw, the criteria to judge the value of an hip hop artist should be viewed the way Kool Moe Dee evaluated it when he made the top 50 MC list for his "There's A God On The Mic" book, there's many elements to a great mc, it's all about the artistry, I just felt like copy and pasting from the topic about his book so you could understand this a little better, peace: Elements Of An MC: Originality: How original is the MC? Did the MC create anything or bring anything new to the game that wasn't there before? Concepts: Rewards MCs for their ability to paint pictures and concepts that are multi-dimensional, and who conceptualize on an album, or during their career. Versatility: Rewards artists that have a range of work that varies and who experiment with their rhymes. Vocabulary: An artist must be able to utilize vocabulary, and that doesn't mean that you have to constantly inundate the audience with big words, but as Big Daddy Kane once said, "It's alright to send someone to the dictionary every now and then." Substance: Rewards MCs whose albums have some kind of social relevance or meaning. Flow: Flow has a lot to do with syncopation, how an artist's cadence flows in and out of multiple records, beats, or tempos. Those artists who are most versatile with their flow, or that have a flow that absolutely sucks people in get higher scores. Flavor: This is about an artist's ability to break out, have fun, and have some kind of signature energy to their rhyme style. Freestyle: This rates an MCs ability to be able to come off the top of their head with thymes, spontaneously, on any given subject. Vocal Presence: This category looks at how recognizable an artists voice is the moment someone hears it on a record. Live Performance: Lots of MCs make great records, lots of MCs travel around and do rhymes, but when it comes down to doing a performance live, lots of MCs fall short. Poetic Value: A lot of MCs rhyme, but don't add poetic value where the metaphor itself is a story within the metaphor is actually profound. Body Of Work: Based on the sum total of the artists work and the level of excellence in that work. Industry Impact: Industry impact has to do with Grammys, music awards, radio airplay, and all the things that the 'streets' frowned on at one point, but was very, very necessary for the hip-hop game to become the integral part of the music business that it is now. Social Impact: Recognizes and rewards artists who try to better the community, better the environment, and better the country. Longevity: Recognizes thoses who can last long in the chaos and confusion known as the music business. Lyrics: Lyrics, otherwise known as an MCs paradise, are the reason all MCs started rhyming, it's the essence of the MC. Battle skills: Battle skills are about the combination of wit and attack. Attack and set yourself up as the pinnacle, and create threats. It has to do with not only lyrical skills, but also the ability to be witty, funny, and to insult.

Well I found the answer for why Canibus dissed KRS, it's pretty stupid to diss somebody 6 years later from an interview: http://hhvibe.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/canibus-disses-krs-one-for-ll-cool-j-remarks/ Long before Joe Budden became one of hip hop’s biggest targets, Canibus was that man. He had begun rapping in the mid-1990s, as a native of New York, but living in Atlanta at the time. In 1995, he moved back up to New Jersey, where he linked with Redman. Canibus’ chance meeting with Redman led to them rapping together on underground tracks. By 1996, LL Cool J was working on his album, Phenomenon. LL had a habit for uniting some of the most popular rappers in the game, along with newcomers for one big track. His posse cuts were known for creating drama, as his 1995, “I Shot Ya (remix),” was perceived as a diss to Tupac Shakur. Looking to move past the beef, especially after the death of The Notorious B.I.G., LL Cool J was just trying to make music. For years, he had a strong relationship with Redman and the Def Squad. He also had a close relationship with Method Man, who was close to Redman. They are known as two of the best rappers in hip hop. It was a no-brainer for LL to feature them on his next posse cut. Redman suggested that he also feature Canibus on the track. In the end, the new song was called “4,3,2,1.” The original version of the song featured Method Man, Redman, Canibus, and DMX. Each rapper recorded their verses, alone, and they were sent to LL Cool J. At the time, LL had not recorded his verse yet. Before LL Cool J went to record his verse, he played the other verses back as they were being prepared to be on the final version of the song. For the most part, everything was great until he heard Canibus’ verse. The verse mentioned Canibus borrowing the microphone tattooed on LL’s right arm. While Canibus insists that he meant it as a compliment, LL Cool J took it as a diss and he recorded a verse that was dedicated to ripping Canibus apart. The song was put together and LL Cool J released the song first to the radio stations in New York City. This is when Canibus heard the track and he reached out to LL Cool J. There is a phone conversation between the two rappers that can be found on YouTube where a resolution is reached. Canibus wanted LL to change his verse, but LL told Canibus to change his, to which he agreed. He said that once the song hits radio, no one will know who he is talking about. From there, LL pulled the song from radio and Canibus re-recorded his verse. Still, the original version leaked and the feud was on. In 2004, their now-legendary feud was featured on the DVD, Beef II. Canibus spoke on the feud, along with Kool Moe Dee, a former rival of LL’s, along with KRS-One. He offered a unique opinion that Canibus should have simply rapped about something aside from LL. KRS stated that there should have been no mention of any type of mic, he should have been thankful to be on the track. Six years have passed since those comments were made. It has been three years since his last album. Canibus has returned from the shadows with a new single, “Only Slaves D.R.E.A.M.,” that is said to be aimed at KRS-One. If this in indeed the case, Canibus should have responded in 2004, it is a new decade and the feud was from now two decades ago. LL Cool J now stars in a primetime drama on CBS, KRS-One is a legend, and Canibus has yet to have a hit single.

twista, kanye west, and jamie foxx "slow jamz", speaking of real hip hop being popular this was really one of the last great songs that got airplay

You can't forget that Hammer also was in the miltary so he could put a boot camp on that ass, lol

Common "Electric Circus" Album, speaking of slept on albums

Kool Moe Dee says "Big Willie Style" is his favorite for Will, that album got something for everyone on it, you can't go wrong with over 10 million sold, and btw 'Yes Yes Y'all' is my favorite off of there too just like Da Brakes, those lines I got in my signature are hip hop quotables

Hey welcome to the board Josh! You could see in my signature it says my favorite album is "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper", that's old school hip hop at it's finest, the title track is just sick with Jazzy cuttin' it up and Fresh Prince killin' it on the mic, "Brand New Funk" is the ultimate party jam, "Code Red", "Big Willie Style", and "Lost & Found" are also big favorites of mine and "Willenium" is really the last unofficial JJFP since it was executive produced by JJFP and that was the freshman year of high school for me which brings back memories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Qno4csf9w

Naughty By Nature Present Garden State Greats Mixtape, you're right AJ about how the unknown rappers didn't really add anything on here, some underground rappers are underground for a reason for sure, I'm sure Naughty's saving the best for the album: http://www.livemixtapes.com/mixtapes/12407/naughty_by_nature_featuring_garden_state_greats.html

Nas "Come Get Me"(easily the best song on "Nastradamus", last track that Preemo produced for him, hopefully he's on "Lost Tapes 2" since Nas is gonna work with Pete Rock again)

KRS-ONE/Marley Marl Feat. Blaq Poet "The Victory"(Scratches By DJ Premiere)

"Giving Praise" CD, I bought this CD recently, it has some great uplifting music on it for times like these, you could check audio samples and purchase from this homepage: http://www.ashro.com/Featured-Products/Ashro-Records-Music/Giving-Praise-CD.pro?fpi=53092&catCd=PI

Fat Joe Feat. KRS-ONE "My Conscience"

yahoo would work well with me too!

Fabolous Feat. Ashanti "So Into You"(Original Album Version)

NBA Training Camps started so it's about that time...Hey I'd be down for another season for the fantasy NBA League if anybody wants to do it, it felt weird that we couldn't get to do one last season

(AllHipHop News) Pioneering Hip-Hop artist Just-Ice has reunited with Boogie Down Productions' founder KRS-One and the pair are working on a new EP, AllHipHop.com has confirmed. According to reps for Just-Ice, the new EP, titled The Just-Ice & KRS-ONE EP, which will contain five brand new tracks from Fort Greene, Brooklyn-raised rapper. Just-Ice, who recorded a pair of Hip-Hop classics in 1986 ("Latoya" b/w "That Girl is A Slut"), also released his debut Cold Gettin' Dumb the same year with Kurtis Mantronik, for Sleeping Bag Records. Just-Ice release albums consistently throughout the 80's and 90's with albums like Kool & Deadly (Justicizms) (1987), The Desolate One (1989), Masterpiece (1990), Gun Talk (1993), Kill the Rhythm (Like a Homicide) (1995), and his final album VII (1998). Just-Ice and KRS-One recently recorded a video for the first single from the album titled "Blah, Blah, Blah). A release date for The Just-Ice & KRS-ONE EP was not available as of press time.

I'm really surprised that VH1 didn't honor Will 'cause back in the day he'd the only hip hop artist they'd show music videos of

Exclusive: Ice Cube Accepts Common's Movie Offer Friday, October 01, 2010 1:02 PM | 0 comments By Grouchy Greg Watkins and Houston Williams Meebo Share Button AHH IconGet Alerts AllHipHop Radio (AllHipHop News) West Coast Hip-Hop veteran Ice Cube has accepted former rival Common's offer to possibly work together in a movie in the near future. During an exclusive interview with AllHipHop.com, Ice Cube replied to Common's statement last week about wanting to work with his former foe. Common and Ice Cube were engaged in a vicious war of words in the mid-1990's. The situation almost turned violent until The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan held a meeting at his Chicago mansion and urged the rising rap stars to peacefully resolve their differences. Since then, both artists have gone on to have immense success on the silver screen. Ice Cube, who recently produced the series Are We There Yet? for TNT, has starred in groundbreaking flicks like Boyz N Tha Hood, in addition to executive producing and starring in his own hit movies like Friday and Barbershop. "When we had our little issues in the 90s we sat down with Farrakhan and he told us why we needed to be brothers and squash it," Ice Cube told AllHipHop.com. "Since then, I aint never had an ill feeling towards Common. We've seen each other on several occasions and it's all love, like it never happened. I'd be down to do a movie anytime. Anytime." Common, who has starred in movies like Terminator Salvation, Smokin' Aces, American Gangster and Just Wright, recently wrapped up filming on Hell on Wheels, a time-piece about the Transcontinental Railroad set in the 1860's. During an interview with AllHipHop.com last week, Common revealed that he would like to work with Ice Cube on a movie, should the chance ever arise. "Point blank, when Cube and I had beef, I was a fan of his first and foremost, I grew up like loving Cube," Common told AllHipHop.com. "I still respected him as an artist, but I had to come at him. It’s like a boxer; if somebody challenge you in the ring, you got to go at him. But we all good now, and maybe we can produce a movie together or something." Ice Cube was very optimistic about working with Common in the future and noted that it only made sense, considering the amount of success both men have experienced in Hollywood. "He's in Hollywood and I'm in Hollywood. We are both leading men and we can do this," Ice Cube told AllHipHop.com. Ice Cube recently released his 9th album I Am The West on his independent label, Lench Mob Records.

Dipset is better rappers than some of the rappers Dre has chosen to collab with over the years

I found this article saying that Nick Cannon challenges Eminem and Jay-Z to a tag-team wrestling match with him and MC Hammer, it's obvious that this journalist is brainwashed by the propaganda with the way he's riding balls of the popular rappers, he don't realise that MC Hammer's in much better shape than his age might indicate and that Jigga's out of shape like a 60 year old, Hammer's from the streets too just 'cause he chose to be a positive rapper don't mean he's soft, he got homies from street gangs in Oakland so if it really goes down he'd go down on top but he ain't trying to be violent, btw Nick Cannon won over some cool points for me when he married Mariah, that's the best move of his career, lol -Obviously, Eminem didn't respond to Nick Cannon's request for a boxing match (which would have been a massacre, as was the consensus before), so the hubby of Mariah “Dead Horse” Carey is throwing out challenges again via Twitter--this time to MC Hammer and Jay Z. Tweet Tweet: "TAGTEAM WRESTLING MATCH!! Me and @MCHAMMER against @Eminem and Jay Z! LOL!" Let's look closely, so as to hopefully quiet Cannon's rambling: Exhibit A: Mr. “Can't Touch This” is 48-years-old. I doubt he is capable of throwing a worthwhile haymaker, let alone dodging blows from Slim. And of course, he could never count on his partner to tag in, because everyone knows that Cannon would mostly spend his time behind the ropes jabbering “Wild 'n Out” caliber insults and stretching stupid grins to scrape some sort of sympathy from whatever throng might actually care to show up for the massacre. Exhibit B: Now, HOVA is a young 40-years-old, and we all know that the effects of growing up in the Marcy Projects doesn't leave the soul. Was I not clear in my post yesterday about Diddy and Jay Z? Jigga Man SHOT his younger brother when he was only twelve years old. Crack-cocaine dealer. And as for Slim, well, we all saw 8 Mile (as I mentioned before). Sure, it's a movie, but Eminem can still F*ck up “The Free World”. MC Hammer got pissy after HOVA tossed a diss in his collab with Kanye on the track “So Appalled”: "Hammer went broke so you know I'm more focused / I lost 30 mil' so I spent another 30 / 'Cause unlike Hammer 30 million can't hurt me." I don't see anything untrue there—some people simply can't handle reality (and some people suffer for delusions, in the case of Cannon). Don't get disgruntled over the truth. And, much to our chagrin, Cannon tweeted once more: "Hey @MCHAMMER you know you my dude ... but I don't think Eminem or Jay Z are even paying attention to us!!! LOL. But I don't have nothing to lose!!! If I get beat up no one would be surprised ... It will just be more material for my stand up!" I'm all for it. Madison Square Garden, Spike TV live stream, steel cage, cheap seats and charity tickets for the homeless and deviant looking for a few hours of refuge and back alleyway mugging-esque entertainment. Why not toss in G-Unit and and everyone that hates them into the mix, fans included, get a royal rumble out of this thing. Idea: let's start a petition—it seems to be a popular trend, and I'm sure HOVA could conjure some way for all of us to profit from it. We're talking Hannibal vs. Rome (except for the later years where it just got drawn out, but that doesn't count), Johnny Depp vs. Ben Affleck's movie career and worth to humanity, Achilles and the infinite number of drones slaughtered in the storming of Troy's beach. Let it happen—it's fate—and a little violence is always a positive thing for hip-hop.

Dipset's leader Jim Jones has revealed that epic producer Dr. Dre is involved in honing new music for the four-member crew. Via Twitter Jones also released an image showing himself, Juelz Santana, Dre and Cam'ron all in the studio together. "Just finished our 1rst session wit Dr.Dre incredible #dipsetb*tch@Mr_Camron @thejuelzsantana http://plixi.com/p/48091679," Jones tweeted Friday (October 1st) (Jim Jones' Twitter) Cam'ron also re-tweeted model Blaccdiamond's message which revealed Dipset being in the studio with Dre. "Jimjones, Camron & Juelz all under one Roof lastnight! Niceee O yeah plus Dr.Dre," Blacc tweeted yesterday. (Blaccdiamond's Twitter) Last month, Juelz Santana spoke with radio host Funkmaster Flex about a pending Dipset record deal. "Yeah, definitely, we been in the mix doing a couple songs back and forth and we've been in the studio a couple times," Juelz told radio personality Funkmaster Flex about Dipset reuniting for new music. "We just getting it together. We're waiting for the deal to go through which should be any day now. We're planned toward moving forward and doing it how we do it and giving the people what they have been waiting for." (Hot 97) Dipset are set to take the stage for a reunion concert this November. With each passing day, the Dipset reunion seems to slowly become more of a reality. With interviews and songs already released, the next step in the progression is the Harlem squad performing together for the first time in years. The fantasy will become a reality on November 26, when Cam, Jimmy and Juelz will hit the stage at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City. The presale for the Dipset Reunion Concert, presented by Hot 97, begins today (September 22) at noon and comes to a close on Friday at 10 a.m. EST. Tickets for the general public become available on Saturday at 10 a.m. (XXL Mag)

If songs like "From Da South" and "Don't Say Nothing"(nice to see Kool Moe Dee acknowledge that song in his book) got airplay like LL's "Mama Said Knock You Out" and 2Pac's "Hit 'Em Up" then more people would realize you can't mess wit the Fresh Prince

I'm listening to Busta Rhymes' "Back On My B.S." album right now, I like to go against the grain and listen to stuff that people sleep on, Nastradamus is like Willenium in a sense that the worst songs were the singles so people don't realize the greatness of those albums, my dream is to go platinum one day and mention all the stuff in an interview that people have slept on then maybe peeps would recognise the real stuff

If you read my statement you'd see that I said that I don't think that Lloyd Banks is wack, in fact he's a good rapper but there's a thin line between being good and being a legend, saying Lloyd Banks is on the same level as those like LL Cool J and Fresh Prince is like saying Dwight Howard is on the same level as Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, Penny Hardaway on the same level as Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson, etc, basketball's coming again I can't wait, lol, hip hop is like the NBA, there's a long history of legends, just because a player or a rapper ain't in the top 50 or top 100 doesn't mean they ain't good, there's million of them in all these years, just the fact that we heard of them means something, whoever's the 12th man on the Knicks and the worst rapper on the radio are better than the millions of armchair quarterbacks who don't make it and player hate, now that's what's opinion.... If G-Unit squash all their silly beefs and start making better music than yes one day they could be legends but not yet... Now they're the ones who've been acting ludacris since they always would make fun of other rappers 'cause they outsold them when they first came out, pride kills baby since the karma has come back to them when it's a fact that I said that the public don't respect them that much since their record sales went way down the past few years, you wanna debate me come with FACTS man: 50 Cent went from selling 10 million his first album(can't player hate that at all) to just selling 500,000 his last album, Lloyd Banks sold about 2 million on his first album and only sold 200,000 on his last album, the first G-Unit album sold 3 million and the last one about 500,000, the public has spoken, not just me, their careers are on thin ice, I hope they step up and make better music 'cause they were dope back in the days, I usually don't diss rappers for having lower sales 'cause even my favorite rappers don't sell much anymore but when you ain't humble then you deserve to be dissed... 50's line is coming back to him "Damn homie you was the man homie, What the f happened to you?", well it's like what the bible says pride kills, hopefully Lloyd Banks and Nas squashing beef is the start of something positive for hip hop 'cause I'm tired of the game being on life support like this, we need better music for everybody in general, I'm done with this topic btw so peace to all the rappers...