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There's not an artist out there that's had a perfect career, but overall you gotta give it up to Nas to still have relevance a decade plus into his career even if he had a few missteps he was able to make up for them unlike some artists who fall off after their mistakes, btw is there a release date for this album? That's another way to tell if this is legit, usually they don't do tracklisting without mentioning release date, hopefully this don't get pushed back like Redman's album that was supposed to be out by last Xmas and it don't look it'll be out this Xmas, lol...

Yeah I don't know if this is true either, mixing "Illmatic" type styleswith "Nastradamous" type styles is a recipe for disaster and it's too good to be true that MJ's gonna be on there, there's been a lot of talk about Rakim being on there though

Well DMX is definately more consistant than Ja Rule but Ja Rule does definately have some dope moments in between, he's not as wack as you think he is, btw there was supposed to be a collab album between DMX, Ja, and Jigga in the late '90s produced by Irv Gotti but they never got a chance to do it, that'd be interesting though 'cause they were all on top of their games then...

I agree with AJ that this album's gonna suck if he goes back to doing pop songs like he did in the late '90s, hopfully it's more like "Illmatic/Stillmatic/God's Son", I'm looking forward to the collabswith Michael Jackson and Rakim...

Well it's like when people say LL has only been doing r&b songs over the past few years 'cause he hasn't released that many of his hardcore tracks as singles, even quite a bit of people probably thought the "G.O.A.T." album only had r&b songs on it 'cause he released "Imagine That" and "You and Me", basically LL created the formula for rappers to go platinum by mixing r&b tracks with hardcore tracks, most platinum albums in hip-hop history has had that formula, Ja still had hardcore tracks on his albums too when he was doing those r&b songs, people always tend to judge artists off of singles more than anything, and the only way that anybody could be completely original now is if they create their own genre of rapping...

Well anyway nobody knows anything about that "One More Night" track? I really'd like to find the audio for that... Now as far as Ja Rule, come on now his first couple albums were hot, but after that he started dumbing down with all that r&b stuff which is still better than hearing all that snap crap now, but after 50 started attacking him his last couple albums have been more aggressive again, it's actually good to hear that him and X are cool again 'cause I think that they could do something great together, at this point I think everybody bites something at one point or another, hip-hop's been around for over 30 years, there's bound to be somebody biting something 'cause so many different things have already happened, it's hard to completely original now, even JJFP came out doing SugarHillGang type songs and 2Pac came out doing NWA type songs...

Those are great lyrics lyrics right there, you really dug deep on this one! :2thumbs:

It'd be more interesting if X gave his thoughts on how he feels about Mase going to G-Unit, btw it's actually ironic that Ja Rule's main producer Irv Gotti actually produced quite a bit on DMX's best album "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot", maybe X should end his beef with the Inc. and have Gotti produce some of his material in the future, him and Ja could bury 50's career at the same time too, lol,Ja Rule was basically just inspired by DMX 'cause he respected him and they were cool for a while especially since Irv helped X get his deal on Def Jam but really though I don't think Ja was just trying to imitate him, it's just like some might say that DMX is a Pac wannabe but I think he was just inspired from Pac as well... Sure his beef with Ja might've had a role for helping him leave the rap game but overall he was just as frustrated about the way Def Jam wanted him to water down his style like the other rappers on the label over the last few years, he was explaining his frustration about that many times during the release of the "Grand Champ" album in interviews, you could tell that some tracks on that album were what Def Jam wanted rather than what he wanted and that's why he felt dissapointed and wanted to leave the rap game, he recently referred Def Jam as the new version of Bad Boy, he was originally gonna sign to Bad Boy before he got on Def Jam to start his career but he saw how watered down the label was and it wouldn't fit his style and he sees Def Jam as a pop rap label now too and that's why he wanted to leave there, I think that's why LL's planning to leave there too after his next album... I notice too how there's been all this promo for Rick Ross' album who just continues this hustlin' gimmick in the rap game right now and yet a real hip-hop group The Roots are droppin' this month and they ain't gettin' any promo, Method Man and Redman are in limbo right now, I think Jay's doing this on purpose to promote himself, he'll be coming out with an album acting like he's doing it to save hip-hop but not really, I think it's the opposite, it's obvious that Jay don't care about bringin' real hip-hop back, he even noted in an interview recently that Em and 50 need to release more albums to help raise hip-hop's status, he's lost credability to me since I heard that ... He got a label and he's playing the pieces perfectly so that the real mcs won't overtake him, he gave up promoting Ghostface and LL's albums, he won't let Nas sell more than him either, he actually probably signed Nas to control him from overtaking his status, I think he became president for his own personal gain, not to improve the game, if you ask me if he really wanted to save the game, he wouldn't give up on DMX, he'd promote LL, and then wouldn't sign Young Jeezy and Rick Ross and help fuel the south rap crap even further onto the airwaves.... I actually watched the DVD again and I read the credits and I see that there's a song listed called "One More Night" produced by Dame Grease, that's probably the track that he was performing on there that didn't make the album, I recognise the other titles that're on the album but maybe if anybody could find the audio for it let me know, for you overseas peeps here is it a bonus track on your album? They do that a lot too...

I notice on the DVD how he does a song in the studio that wasn't appearing on the album, it was very dope too, hopefully it pops up on a mixtape or something...

"in the name of Jesus! Devil I rebuke you, for what I go through Been tryna make me do, what I used to (WHAT!) But all that stops right here (YEAH!) As long as the Lord's in my life, I will have no fear I will know no pain from the light to the dark (COME ON!) I will no show no shame, spit it right from the heart (COME ON!) 'Cause it's right from the start, you held me down And ain't.. nothin they can tell me now!"-DMX "Lord Give Me A Sign"

Happy Birthday fuq!!! :wiggle:

I've been basically listening to this album non-stop since I got it yesterday and I gotta say that this definately brings DMX back to his top form and is easily one of the best albums you'll find in hip-hop this year, his career has gone full circle, in '98 he brought an alternative to all that bling bling crap that was dominating the radio at the time and now in '06 he brings an alternative to the snap crap that's on the airwaves now, he's a true artist that doesn't follow trends that's why these pop rappers can't check a mic for him and have half the career he's had, the way that the industry's been it's amazing that he'd be going for his 6th straight #1 album where we most true mcs can't even go platinum once, it's amazing that he's had the same/more success than rappers like Jay-Z and Ja Rule who had to water themselves down to stay on the charts during that time, but anyway on to the album now it lives up to the it's title of being the year of the dog again since it bangs from the Intro through "Lord Give Me A Sign", X shows on this album how he is a man among boys in the rap game, the highlights in between are "Come Thru"(Move) with Busta, "Baby Motha", "Dog Love" with Amerie and Janyce, "Give Them What They Want", "Blown Away" with Jinx and Janyce, "GoodBye", "Life Be My Song", and "The Prayer IV", I give the album 8 out of 10 this is an album that real hip-hop heads that're frustrated by the state of hip-hop need to go out and support btw, I agree with AJ that the DVD is really not much special and basically cover topics that've been addressed before, if some of his fans been living under a rock it's good for them to catch up and see why he wanted to leave the rap game for a while and the situation with Jay-Z at Def Jam, but it's a nice lil' bonus though, I'd really like to see "Soul Of A Man" get released on DVD though

Sorry I'm a lil' late too but yeah that's good to hear that you enjoyed your birthday :kool:

Well today's the release date for this album here in the US so later on after I come back from work I'll be on with my feedback...

Well I'm gonna put a quick summary of all these since they've basically been discussed here before- DMX "We In Here"-DMX is dissing Def Jam for releasing Rhianna's single that jacked the "Switch" beat while his single got shelved from being released, leading to him now being on Columbia and releasing his new album this week btw Game "Start From Scratch"-Game's probably referring to one of his street homies named Big Will, not Big Will the rapper And basically the Big Willie that Outkast refers to "In Due Time" there is basically just slang for top playa, big dawg, in there it's just being said that person's not big enough yet to be the top playa Nuff said, close thread...

Well obviously you haven't been paying much attention to this thread, if you just took a minute to look you'd see I was speaking to AJ about Fat Joe's, BEP's, Nick Cannon's credability since he brought up that BEP represents real hip-hop and Fat Joe is a sellout but come on now if anyone in the 'hood's gonna own albums from any of these rappers the odds'll be that they'll own a Fat Joe album and they wouldn't laugh as hard as they'd if you told them that Fat Joe's an all time great but if you told someone in the 'hood that Nick Cannon's an all time great, they'll be like :rofl: Hip-hop is music from the streets, their opinion should matter before kids from the suburbs that's why hip-hop is as trash the way it is, it needs to become less mainstream and more of an underground genre, that's why the golden era was so great 'cause hip-hop wasn't as popular as it is now so it wasn't driven by greedy A&R's, and now I was talking to you Silver Tiger about how there's no need to trip over the wackness that's out there since it's easy to get good stuff right at your fingertips, I mean you could do it from right there on your PC, I could see if it was 20-25 years ago we could just go by what's on TV or the radio but now times have changed....

I don't like listening to the radio that much and I watch MTV rarely, most of what I do these days is look into the internet for music and just play the CDs I buy on the most part, except when somebody like LL and Busta have an album out doing real well then I'll check more often to the radio and MTV, and now internet radio stations are good too, they play real **** that the real radio don't touch on unfortunately since that's not what the kids from the suburbs want to hear, as long as the kids keep buying into the dumbed down music I don't expect much to change really so it don't really bother me as it used to 'cause I just spend time on what I like and don't give a damn about what the kids like 'cause they'll get over it gradually since that music is just trend music anyway and they'll gradually check for good music when they get older if they're still interested in hip-hop, btw if you bring down Fat Joe for selling out then you gotta bring down Black Eyed Peas, Nitty, etc. 'cause their music is much more watered down and gimmicky than Fat Joe's ever been, he has more street credability than all of them combined, you brought down Fat Joe for making lyrics that you wrote when you were six but come on now you gotta admit that "My Humps" sounds like a preschool rhyme, lol, all Fat Joe did was flip a lyric that 50 wrote anyway to diss 50 back so really it's 50 writing the six year old rhymes not Fat Joe, lol, not too many outside of kids from the suburbs'll consider Black Eyed Peas one of the best groups out now or's gonna put them up with Run-Dmc as an all time group, hip-hop heads would definately rank Fat Joe closer to KRS, LL, etc. than they'd rank Nick Cannon close to KRS, LL, etc. type of level...

Black Eyed Peas represent real hip-hop and Fat Joe doesn't? :jusmindyabizness: btw, the way I see it when it comes to the way the hip-hop industry is, there ain't enough so called "real hip-hop heads" to make a change it seems, only kids buy the albums so how do you expect it to change? Just buy what you like and stop complaining, even if it ain't popular who cares, just buy it 'cause you like it, don't worry about the crap everybody else chooses to listen to...

Yeah I thought "Freeze" wasn't the type of song to release as a single, I think "Favorite Flavor" with Mary J. would blow up if it was released but it seems like nobody's smart enough at Def Jam to release it, and yeah the idea of LL doing an album with 50 is something that wouldn't work no matter how you try to slice it, they're on opposite ends of the hip-hop spectrum, not many LL's fans like 50 and most of 50's fans are too stupid to comprehend LL's lyrics so I don't really see that many people buying it, at the most I hope 50's just appearing on one song like what Snoop did with having 50 on one song instead of the whole album when he released "Rhythm And Gangsta" like it was originally planned,btw Jim u gonna try to go see him perform in Atlantic City next Saturday? I'm considering going...

Well the reason why Game has been dissin' 50 so much is 'cause 50 tried blackballing Game from releasing more singles from "The Documentary" when it was on top of the charts last year, 50 was the one who got jealous of Game 'cause he saw that Game was getting more buzz than he was getting so he wanted to shut him down, 50 has too much of an ego and didn't want to see any of his artists he works with do better than him, Game had to take money from his own budget to shoot "Put You In The Game" and then 50 came out to try to stop Game from working with Dr. Dre, now you tell me who's the immature one here, on the most part Game's just defending himself and I think that since this drama happened people see 50 in a whole new light with his ego and that's why the G-Unit albums ain't doing as well as they used to on the charts 'cause the public's getting turned off by him and his egotistical tactics, Game did the right thing to distance himself from that camp so now he has a better chance of having a good career, now that the most credible rapper from G-Unit is officially gone it's probably the mark of the end of G-Unit's reign...

Cant blame him for that :rofl: I think a million guys would do the same thing if they were standing next to her like that :kool:

Wow AJ I'm a lil'surprised you don't have Snoop's albums, you seem to be his biggest supporter on this board...

Fat Joe reminds me a lot like Snoop where he was really putting out great stuff when he first came out but then a lot of his recent stuff has been basically a step down and a lil' repetitive but he's still a dope mc overall, with him putting more personal stuff on this album it could be closer to the level of his earlier stuff,he needs to stop working with a few less pop rapproducers and get Premo back on the boards again too...

Well a few years ago I remember reading online that Snoop was planning on doing an album with 50 and it didn't come out yet, that was around the "Get Rich..." times and I'm sure if LL really was working on this album by now I'm sure 50's big mouth would've been commenting on it by now, lol, yeahI think LL's too busy touring for "Todd Smith" and now working on this TV show to release another album so fast anyway, this show sounds hot btw, can't wait till it comes out...

Thanks for posting this, I'll definately be checking for this album