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KRS should've been on "Code Red"

Jazzy Jeff is right, I think the reason why Will's last 2 albums didn't do as well as his previous albums is that the beats were wack, even as great as "Lost and Found" is lyrically, just imagine how much better it would've been if Jazzy produced most of it, more people would've bought it too, you get the feeling that Jazzy thinks that Will's being too busy for him with the way he was talking in that interview...

Yeah It seems like Jazzy talks about wanting to do more work with Will, some of that translation doesn't make sense though...

Well that probably had something to do with it which is kinda sad, people rather buy 70 minute commercial rap albums with 90% filler than buy an album from the legendary Rev. Run, but "Mind On The Road" got sparingly airplay too, that probably also had to do with it and the reality show really didn't have much to do with his music anyway so people wouldn't know that he had an album out, it wasn't really promoted that well as it should've been either, Russell Simmons should've done more...

Yeah there's The Russell Simmons Music Group on Def Jam, Rev. Run's album was released through there last year, it only sold 40,000 copies which is surprising especially since he had "Run's House" on MTV, you figure that he'd sell more than that....

Have a happy and fun birthday! :1-smile:

Yeah we first heard that Will was gonna release an album back in 2003, he was considering either releasing it on Dreamworks Records or independently, in the summer of 2004 we learned that he signed to Interscope and that the album was supposed to come out in fall of 2004 with "Switch" coming out as the first single and have guest appearances from Kanye West, Timbaland, and Petey Pablo, along with tracks that he even produced himself, but that was delayed for months with no of those tracks making the album, Will basically did more work on it and then "Switch" was finally released late January '05 and "Lost and Found" came out in March of '05, it could be a long wait with this too but if Will's still on Interscope maybe the wait won't be as long since he knows what label he's gonna release an album on... Will does have a studio in his house and in his trailer on the road so I don't see why he can't record some stuff now before he goes films but who knows if that'll happen, AJ did say months ago that he was supposed to do a compilation album with Kel Spencer featuring a bunch of hip-hop and r&b artists to clean up the radio but we really didn't get much info from that lately, Will actually said he wasn't recording any new music but hopefully he just throwing us off saying that since it wasn't publicly released that he was doing an album with Kel Spencer, he's probably keepin' on the dl for now, everything's up in the air at this point but with all this info about him doing 5 films we might have to pray for a miracle for anything in the next couple years, I'll be happy with a couple guest appearances in between on other albums or songs on the soundtracks to his movies until the album comes out :stickpoke:

This is a hot track, can't wait till the soundtrack drops...

I'm surprised nobody said Q-Tip, I think he definately deserves a mention, for all the work he's done in the game nobody should sleep on him, I just don't get it, it's just like I'm the only one to mention Teddy Riley too but check out all the stuff he's done in his career too...

Jazzy Jeff Teddy Riley KRS-ONE(people sleep on his producing since he's such a phenominal mc but he produced his best songs like "South Bronx" and "Step Into A World") Marley Marl Kay Gee Jazzy Jeff Teddy Riley Marley Marl Jazzy Jeff

To add some comic relief to this thread, check out this debate between Bill O'Reilly, Dame Dash, Cam'ron, and KRS-ONE that never happened, it was just something that some kid on undergroundhiphop.com's message board made up :kekeke: :rofl: :lolsign: Bill O'Reilly vs The Roc Bill O'Reilly vs the Roc [ As some of you may recall, last November, Roc-a-Fella's Dame Dash and Cam’ron appeared on the O'Reilly Factor, for an episode called Is Gangsta Rap Hurting America's Children? The two went head first against O'Reilly and high school principal Salome Thomas-El. Depending on who you ask, the two hip-hop entrepreneurs represented themselves well and backed O'Reilly down. Tonight is the rematch. ] Bill O'Reilly: In the Impact Segment the other night, I expressed my opinion about the upcoming Method & Red show. Apparently I offended some members of the hip-hop community. Tonight I'm joined by hip-hop pioneer KRS-One via satellite. In the studio, we have previous guests, Dame Dash and Cam’ron of the hip-hop label Roc-A-Fella records. Welcome back fellas. Cam: How you doin, no homo. Dame: Bill first, if I can, let me correct you. Roc-a-Fella isn't just a label. We're a half a billion dollar multimedia-- O’Reilly: Whatever, tonight's subject-- hip-hop's influence destroying middle America. KRS: Bill, I have to be honest with you. It is middle America that is destroying hip-hop. Our culture was pure, bursting with creativity, until corporate America decided they could make more money selling negative images of our people. O’Reilly: That's something I hear a lot, but nobody's making these young hip-hopsters talk about popping caps and pimping bitches. Dame: Bill, you're ignoring the grand scheme of things. A lot of these artists come from nothing. KRS: Hip-hop is the tree, the root, the branch, and the leaf. You can climb it, carve your name on it, or swing like a monkey. But a tree can't do your taxes or drain a swimming pool. Dame: ...... O’Reilly: Okay, let's hear from a hip-hoppin pimpin artist. Cam’ron, what goes through your mind when you're writing these negative lyrics? Cam: Sometimes you may have it in you, no homo, and you wanna express what you feelin at that time. O’Reilly: But don't you feel a sense of responsibility? Cam: I'm responsible for my kid's food and clothes, n*gga. You know how much baby J's run now? O’Reilly: No, I'm not sure. Cam: You wanna know how I feel? no homo. O’Reilly: ....uh.. Cam: This n*gga MJ retired, so his shoes should cost less, you feel me? No homo. But it's all good cause I'm rich. O’Reilly: *looks at Cam for 3 seconds, and turns to Dash* Dame, do you think these lyrics have an effect on the youth? Dame: No more than your Terminator movies, and he's Governor. KRS: Hip-hop should run for governor. With time, hip-hop will be president of the United States. Then we can take back control of the artform, and educate the youth. Right now, I have cereal in one pocket and milk in the other. O’Reilly: Dame, there's a clear difference between fictional movies and hip-hop. KRS: Hip-hop is my bowl and spoon. *pulls out a fist full of cereal from his pocket* O’Reilly: People know movies are fake, and hip-hop? Well, whether it's fake or not, the artists try their hardest to make people believe it's real. Cam: Make believe? Yo, *bleep* is real in the streets fam. You watch your mouth or I'll kill you myself. O’Reilly: *looks at Dame with his eyes wide open* See! Dame: Cam's just jokin, look-- O’Reilly: Just joking? He threatened my life! Dame: No he didn't. Anyway, it's obvious that-- O’Reilly: What? Can we roll back a clip of the live feed? Jeff, can you queue it up on that monitor? ( clip plays of Cam’ron saying "You watch your mouth or I'll kill you myself.") O’Reilly: What do you call that? Cam: Do you believe everything you see on TV? How old are you man? Don't be ridic -no homo- ulous. KRS: That's exactly what I'm talking about, Bill. You wanted to make a point about violence, and the first clip you show is hip-hop making a threat. Violence is everywhere. O’Reilly: I didn't play a clip of hip-hop, I played a clip of Cam’ron, who's sitting right here. KRS: I saw hip-hop on that clip. O’Reilly: KRS, with all due respect, first you say hip-hop is a culture, then bowl or spoon, and now a person. Which is it? KRS: Bill, are you familiar with gia? O’Reilly: The idea that everything on earth is connected by a mystical life force? KRS: Yes. In ancient times, do you know what Gia was originally called? O’Reilly: What? KRS: hip-hop. O’Reilly: That's absurd. Dame: Why is it absurd Bill? Because hip-hop is black culture? Remember, we were the first humans on the planet. O’Reilly: And look what you did with your head start. Cam: Damn, he tryin to get on you, no homo. Dame: Look what we did? I turned nothing into a 500 million dollar empire, employing hundreds of people from my community. Do you know in the last year, we-- O’Reilly: Okay, time for a commercial break. We'll be right back. --- 3 minutes later --- O’Reilly: We're back, with Dame Dash, Cam’ron and live via satellite...KRS-One. KRS..? ( Satellite camera shows an empty chair ) O’Reilly: Okay, KRS had to step out for a moment. Dame, how can you deny the link of hip-hop and violence when your own artists stay in and out of jail? Gangster rapper Beanie Sigel is on trial for-- Dame: See, that's your problem. You think everyone who raps about the realities of the street is in a gang. Beanie Sigel is not a gangsta rapper. He just happened to grow up in conditions that-- O’Reilly: Not a gangster? Oh really? *quotes lyrics from Sigel's "Gangsta, Gangsta" * Dame: .....as I was saying, Beans grew up in a situation where-- O’Reilly: And what's this? Bang. Bang. Sigel Street Gaaang. *O’Reilly stretches out the word 'gang' in a condescending tone, while staring at Dame* State Property Chain GAAANG. GAAANG? Dame: Excellent research, Bill. But getting a pimple-faced intern to google lyrics doesn't make you qualified to speak on the harsh realities of urban- O’Reilly: It makes me qualified to call you a hypocrite, Damon. Dame: Bill... *flustered, but refusing to lose his cool* We're not on a first name basis, Bill. O’Reilly: ..... Dame: If I can for a minute, let me get back to my original point. O’Reilly: Yes, let's see your point. Cam: No homo. O’Reilly: Why does he keep saying that? Dame: It's nothin. Look Bill...we have a lot of new companies we're building and-- O’Reilly: Isn't it true you guys fund a lot of these ventures with drug money? Dame: Where did you hear that? O’Reilly: I have my sources. Dame: Well corporate America was funded with slave blood and nobody was arrested. Where there's a fortune there's a crime. O’Reilly: Sounds like the name of one of your albums. Cam: You know who you look like? *snaps fingers* What's that n*gga name? George Bush dad? O’Reilly: George Bush Senior? Cam: YEAH N*GGA! You look just like him son. Dame: Damn, he does. Cam: I bet you pull a lot of them conservative hoes. O’Reilly: We're getting off subject here. Dame: Bill... you hit Ann Coulter, didn't you? Biiiiill? O’Reilly: What? I would never hit a woman! Cam: Oh yeah, he definitely hit that. Look how red his face got! Dame: Now it matches his neck. KRS: *hops back in the chair, now wearing mask made out of newspaper, and a garbage bag cape* I had a vision! Hip-hop spoke to me! O’Reilly: Holy mother of God. Cam: *speechless grin* KRS: Hip-Hop says that there is no light without dark. If the human soul had a color, it would have to be a rainbow. Jesus was the first emcee. I swear to God I had milk in my left pocket this morning and now it's not there. Did you take my milk? Dame: Bill, I don't see you talking about boycotting Pepsi when they have Ozzy Osborne on commercials. But a hip-hop artist? Boycott. I don't see you boycotting Fox when they have people throwing away their dignity for money. But a show with 2 rappers? Boycott! You're really boycotting rappers making money. Cam: You need to boycott that sports drink with Fat Joe in the commercial. Dame: Wait a second-- Cam: How the *bleep* you gonna have a Fat Joe be your spokesman for a SPORTS drink? He need redbull just to sit up. Then that *bleep* supposed to make you throw up bees? That ain't hip-hop. KRS: Did you say HIP-HOP? I remember in 1974, before we had videos and radio play, hip-hop would push children on the swings and build sand castles. Then we would put graffiti on them, and you know what hip-hop would say? Dame: Bill, did you-- KRS: Koolaaaaid! Cam: You wildin son. And your nostrils makin me wanna *bleep* no homo. KRS: Who wants koolaid? *reaches into his garbage bag cape* Dame: Bill, did you boycott Men in Black because of Will Smith? O’Reilly: No, of course not. Dame: Did you boycott Nickelodean when they hired Coolio? O’Reilly: Coolio's a rapper? Cam: Word? Dame: Did you boycott the Superbowl when Nelly performed? Continued... KRS: Did someone say Nelly? This is the real issue threatening hip-hop! I had a dream that Nelly was a lion-headed dragon and hip-hop was my sword. Dame: Why don't you just boycott everything and sit your old ass at home? Hip-hop is taking over. O’Reilly: N*gga please! Dame: ....... Cam: ........ KRS: ........ Dame: *in complete shock* Cam: *mouth gaped open like a kindergardener hearing someone curse in class* Dame: I don't believe this. Cam: Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Dame: First of all... Cam: Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Dame: Cam, I got this. First of all... O’Reilly: What? You guys say it on records all the time. Cam: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Dame: Cam, quiet. First of all... I don't even rap. So you never heard me say that on no song. Second-- O’Reilly: C'mon. Dame: Secondly, for you to even use that word just proves my point. You're a damn racist Bill. O’Reilly: Racist? I was just joking. Cam's been calling me that all night and you weren't so offended. Dame: Cam’ron isn't protesting against black people getting paid. How can you call for a boycott on Fox, of all networks, for airing something immoral? Fox Bill! KRS: *gets on his knees* Oh mother hip-hop.. as we suck on thy teat, of thine ample bosom, please guide us through all of life's trials. You know, adult diapers are more comfortable than underwear. O’Reilly: Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and take a break right here. We'll be back. --- 3 minutes later --- (The show resumes in mid-argument) Cam: *bleep bleep bleep* O’Reilly: How could you even allow something like that to come out of your mouth? Cam: NO HOMO! O’Reilly: How can you people deny-- Dame: What do you mean "you people"? First "N*gga," now this. O’Reilly: YOU PEOPLE AS IN YOU PEOPLE SITTING DOWN RIGHT HERE. YOU, DAME AND CAM’RON!. YOU PEOPLE! Cam: AAAHA You maad! You maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Dame: So hostile...he must listen to hip-hop. O’Reilly: Please. KRS: Please what? Hip-hop is the fruit of the loom! The alpha and omega. The quaaaaaan. *spins around, covering his body in the garbage bag cape* O’Reilly: Uh...anyway, how can you people, Dame and Cam, deny that your records pollute society? Cam: What about Fox? O’Reilly: I have no control over what Fox does. Cam: You on Fox though. Your show is on the same-- O’Reilly: That's just business. Cam: So wait, hold up-- Dame: Bill-- Cam: No Dame, I got this. *excited* Hold up! O’Reilly: It's irrelevant. My show isn't-- Dame: Biiiiill-- Cam: You sayin when Fox airs all that negative programmin' with dudes marryin midgets and transvestites, no homo, it's just business. But when some young black entreprenuers from the hood blow, no homo, we pollutin' society? Is that whatchu sayin Bill? O’Reilly: No, what I'm saying is my opinion on-- Cam: Hold up Bill. This is what I think of your opinion. O’Reilly: Now you wait just a minute there-- ( Cam’ron climbs on top of Bill O’Reilly's desk and crawls towards him. O’Reilly, both confused and apprehensive, leans back and tries to calm Cam’ron down, but it's too late. Cam turns around, puts his ass in Bill O’Reilly's face and passes gas. ) O’Reilly: ...... ( Cam and Dame laugh uncontrollably like school girls ) O’Reilly: Oh for the love of God. KRS: That reminds me of my battle with MC Shan.. O’Reilly: Can we take a commercial break? Dame: No homo on the ass in the face, by the way. Cam: Oh yeah, negative homo! Dame: No means No. Homo. O’Reilly: Jesus Christ Cam: Caged homo! Dame: Mime homo trapped in a box. Cam: *taps his throat with his index finger* No-o-o-o-ho-o-o-o-o-o-m-o-o-o-o. ( The credits roll as Cam and Dame try to out "no homo" each other. Hours after the show is over and the lights & cameras are gone, KRS-One is still preaching about hip-hop's foundation and future. ) -- Back in his dressing room, O’Reilly hands Memphis Bleek a $20 bill. – O’Reilly: Thanks for giving me the dirt on Roc-A-Fella and digging up those song lyrics. Bleek: Hey man, we agreed on $50... and you said you'd humiliate them. O’Reilly: I think I did a good job. Bleek: Where's my other $30? O’Reilly: I don't have anymore cash on me. Bleek: *pulls out his gun* O’Reilly: Wait... here, give me back that 20 and I'll have my assistant write you a check for a 100. His office is right through that door. ( Bleek hands O’Reilly the 20 and walks through the door ) Bleek: Hello? ( He hears the door lock behind him, just before realizing he's in an alley. ) Now Bill O'Reilly really did debate with Cam'Ron and Dame Dash on the violence in hip-hop before, KRS-ONE did say in an interview last year that he does want to publicly debate Bill O'Reilly himself 'cause he thinks it's unfair that he criticises hip-hop but personally the way I see it Bill O'Reilly criticises everybody so I don't take what he says too serious anyway, here's the link to the real debate: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103092,00.html

I doubt this picture with Bill O'Reilly has any political meaning behind it since O'Reilly is politically incorrect anyway, lol, and btw Limbaugh is another idiot, he's a drug addict and I don't like how he gotta diss Donovan Mcnabb all the time, basically I ain't saying no more in this thread either, I don't want this to turn into a heated political debate, basically a lot of celebrities try to stay out of politics too 'cause they know that some of their fans might have different beliefs and that might alienate them but I think that's stupid too if a fan turns on an artist just 'cause of political beliefs...

Yeah a couple years ago Will also made very critical comments towards the way Bush handled 9/11, some conservatives got mad and wanted to boycott "I, Robot"...

Bill O'Reilly is an idiot that has no credability going around dissin' everybody on his shows all the time...

I have this song on the NBA 2K5 Soundtrack, it's a smooth jam...

Here's the link, I voted, still the same results: http://celebrity.aol.com/people/ataol/gall...57077_2,00.html

Will's a positive influence.. Bill's a negative one.. Yeah that's true....

Will looks about as old as Bill O'Reilly in this pic, and btw Bill O'Reilly is influential, wtf?! :stars:

That's better than the JJFP Greatest Hits album that was released in '98, they're actually all JJFP tracks, I'm gonna check into this! :wiggle:

I found a mixtape that has LL's "On The Low" song with Lloyd Banks, I might get it to check out the new DMX tracks on there too.... http://www.mixtapekings.com/hiphop/djs/tap...iles_part_8.asp

"Keep It On A Low" would be good to a make a video too but a video to "Freeze" remix? Hell no!!! LL should've chosen somebody else to be on the remix instead 'cause this song didn't blend that well...

I read Public Enemy's board and a lot of fans are upset the way that Flava Flav is potraying himself on "Flava Of Love" 'cause Public Enemy's supposed to be a socially conscious group and he's coming off as "cooning" according to the fans, he also did a Miller Lite commercial that aired during the Thanksgiving NFL Games last fall and they got mad about that too 'cause Chuck D boasts in some of Public Enemy's songs about how he don't drink, "I Never Drink Booze", "I Don't Drink Beer With The Boys", etc... even though Chuck D went on to defend Flava saying that he ain't as socially conscious as the rest of the group and he's just being "Flava", but still I mean to top it off he went through all that and "Hoopz" didn't even stay with him after the show was over, she just did it for publicity, ****ing golddigger... :shakehead: Now with Flava doing this it might be harder for the public to accept Public Enemy as a conscious rap group again if you got Flava Flav fondeling with 20 whores on national television and doing beer commercials, for somebody like Snoop Dogg that'd be cool but this is the most political group in rap history they don't do pimp **** and Flava Flav is a member of the group so I mean he should be aware of the way he potrays himself 'cause people took feelings to it, I take as entertainment but it's a problem and it disturbs me a lil' bit I admit.... It's nice to know that LL's down to earth like that, it's better for his image this way that he don't do anything that'd make him fans feel embarassed about him...

:word: Amen, my brother, that's all I want to, of course if "Tell Me Why" blew up and helped Will get full recognition of a hip-hop artist then maybe I wouldn't be so upset about him doing all these films now, but it didn't so I'm upset :thumbdown:

Hey his life's is as boring as mine, I do the same things on my free time, I watch TV shows, watch sports, go to church, work out a lot, except the working out part ain't paying off as well for me as it does for him :kekeke:

I like the original better, basically it sounds nothin' close to the original, the other song that LL did "Keep It On The Low" with Lloyd Banks is better than this, the funny thing is the beat on that song sounds like "In Da Club" too, did 50 Cent produce this beat too?