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Yeah everyone records a lot of tracks for their albums that never come out, there's probably 100s of songs that Will recorded in his career that never came out, btw Ne-Yo recorded over 400 songs for his new album :1-eek: Well I imagine the songs that never made "Born To Reign" were better than what was on the final cut, I mean how much worse could they have been, lol?

Why can't Will release them tracks himself?

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Tatyana Ali "Daydreamin'", well then again wasn't "Boy You Knock Me Out" a hit too? She might be a two-hit wonder so far, if "Grindin'" with Kel Spence came out that'd be a hit, Kel's probably the greatest no hit wonder so far :kekeke: btw AJ the name of that Bad Boy remix from 2002 that Craig Mack is featured on is G Dep's "Special Delivery", I got that song on a mixtape I bought a few years ago, Craig Mack would easily be known as one of the greatest rappers ever right now if it wasn't for Puffy screwing up his career, Puffy doesn't want to sign anybody to come on and outshine what him and Biggie did...

Well actually those who don't know much about them think that "Summertime" was their only hit: "Summer-Summertime seems like all I got", which is what Will was refering to the haters who only give JJFP credit for having "Summertime"

I gave up on it coming out as a single too but I hope that he gets together with Mary J. and shoots a video for it anyway one day and puts it on DVD and perform it at some shows in the future, I personally think that him saying she was busy though was probably what Interscope told him to say so he could release "Party Starter" first, he was planning for it to be his 2nd single and it should've been, that'd been a perfect song for the fall, nobody liked "Party Starter" when it dropped in Sept. 'cause summer ended, it was horrible timing, "Party Starter" should've came out in the summer, and what made it even worse is that Intescope knew Will was off doing a movie so they shouldn't have even have bothered to released it and just waited until he was done shootin' to release it, they got no respect for him and I hope he leaves that label, the best for Will would be to start his own label and distribute everything himself, hegot the money to do it, but with him doing all of his movies he needs to sign to a record label to do the work for him but if he had more time to do that, he'd be able to be more hands on what and when to release it,being his own boss, really though if he'd just put a good 6-8 months into promoting an album himself I think he'd do really well, probably better than just releasing the 2nd single in the 7th month...

Truth Hurts might be considered a one hit wonder, that song with Rakim called "Addicitive" was her only big hit so far, I don't think Aftermath released anymore singles off that "Truthfully Speaking" album which is a shame 'cause that was one of the best r&b albums I heard over recent years that I think is underrated, I remember that song was playing everywhere in the summer of '02, that was a sign that Rakim was gonna have a huge comeback I was hyped for that but we all know what happened after that moment, but didn't she release an album last year independently after she got dropped from Aftermath? I thought it was wack that Dre dropped her 'cause she got a great voice, I think if her song "For Your Precious Love" came out would've helped "Ali" soundtrack sell more, I actually was playing that soundtrack recently too...

VH1 did a special on this a couple of years ago, a lot of those artists really had more than one hit too even if they just released one album and then faded away: http://www.vh1.com/search/search.jhtml?sea...One+Hit+Wonders When artists are big it's like you hear their whole album played on the radio and to call MC Hammer a one hit wonder would be like calling Jay-Z a one hit wonder 'cause he had a bunch of hits before and after "U Can't Touch This", that was just his biggest hit...

Yeah we here always seem to focus on the negatives more than the positives, basically the hating is just jealousy Will is a household name, those like Bow Wow doesn't have any fans over 20 probably so they're small change, but Big Will/Fresh Prince reaches a lot of different age groups that not many artists period can, it's like you could ask the president who's Will Smith is and he'd know but if you ask him who Bow Wow is he wouldn't know, my parents are over 50 years old and they don't really like hip-hop but they'll be borrowing my DVDs to see his movies, if anybody over 50 years old does like hip-hop though there's probably a good chance they like JJFP though and they wouldn't know anything about 50 Cent or they'd hate him, lol, if Will and Jazzy do a world tour, we'll be seeing parents going with their kids to see the shows, lol....

That's what seperates Will from other rappers in the game, he got fans from all walks of life, those who're 30 and over would probably say "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble", "Parents Just Don't Understand", and "Brand New Funk", those who're between 20-30 probably would say "Summertime", "Men In Black", and "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" and the teenagers and young kids probably just know him for "Switch" and maybe "Black Suits Comin", Will reaches many generations of fans lol....

Well you know record labels are money hungry bastards, it's funny that you mention 50 'cause he's on the same label as Will, the label spent way more time into promoting him and all of his beefs than anything Will did last year, the reason why "Lost and Found" wasn't promoted enough was 'cause it wasn't your average watered down disposable music that gets on the radio but despite the weak promotion more than 1 million people in the world went out to buy it which is the maximum for most creative artists these days 'cause gimmicks outsell talent right now: "Black radio/they don't play me though/even though the fans went out and bought enough/Guess they think Will ain't hard enough", easily though if he had more support from his record label, his albums could easily reach millions of fans still 'cause he does have a lot of people out there check for him, don't hate the player, hate the game, maybe if they stopped promoting "Laffy Taffy" garbage and actually supported real mcs hip-hop would be in a golden era again like when they put energy in getting all kinds of mcs no matter what style they were, there's a stream of real artists out there that need to get on and recognized, seeing garbage like that winning awards and getting on the radio all day makes me ashamed to say I'm a hip-hop fan sometimes myself, you can't blame Will for not wanting to do music that much anymore, he could release albums every year but the labels still won't promote him enough to outsell all the garbage artists, having black radio stations not playing his songs is the reason why he ain't the most popular rapper out now that'd would be like if some theaters didn't play his movies he wouldn't be the most popular actor either, people'd want to see it but if it ain't available for them they won't see it, there's a lot of people that'd be interested in hearing Will on the radio and would cop the albums, the movie industry is simply more supportive of him than the music industry is.... Will probably wanted "Tell Me Why" to drop right away since he recorded it 3 years ago but Interscope had the final say on what to drop, they decided to put all their energy on Em/50 instead, they act like only kids listen to hip-hop but there's a lot of older heads out there starving for real hip-hop again but they don't seem to care, "Back when rap was smart and multilayered/we could rap without A&R's and ultimadems", the industry bull**** is taking away the love of the game, a lot of behind the scenes stuff is holding Will back from reaching his full potential, maybe if they weren't bull****tin' so much and let him release what he wanted he'd be interested in doing more, think about that now....

:word: It's a shame that PE has put out a lot of albums and done quite a bit of tours over the last 10 years but only one of them went gold, most of the general public was just introduced to Flava Flav now on "Flava Of Love" but that wasn't PE related so they won't know about PE still, but anyways how would y'all feel if Will gave up acting completely and released a bunch of albums that hardly anybody except a few thousand loyal fans even heard of with no radio station playing his singles? It's like a lot of Will's ol' school peers are only remembered for what they did 15 years ago even if they dropped albums recently.... At least you could say 1 million people who bought "Lost and Found" heard "Tell Me Why" and 2 million who got "Willenium" heard "The Rain" even though they never got released to radio and more than 30 million have made purchases on his 9 albums even if they turn their backs on him later, there was a point in their life that they enjoyed it, they can't front, Will definately is/was being heard which is something you can't say about other great artists and it'll remain that way 'cause he diversifies his audience even more when he does films so he could always come back drop a song/album and have people that never heard him before check for his music as well as us loyal fans 'cause he could go promote on places like Good Morning America, Today Show, and Access Hollywood, hell he could perform at the White House if he wants to, lol, rather than just the usual TRL and 106&Park that most rappers could only go on/some even not allowed to go 'cause his acting career has given him a larger platform that nobody could shut down, we should appreciate, not hate, whatever Will has the passion to do, he'll have fans cheering him on, he's a champion in life....

Imagine what fans of Heavy D must feel like after waiting 7 years and still no album to drop anytime soon :ohdear: Will's prime of his rap career was before a lot of us started listening to him when he did the 5 albums with Jazzy Jeff, when he was touring, had a lot of street credability when they were selling millions and winning awards including the 1st grammy in rap history all before he started a family and his movie career that's out now, we can't bring back the past but there's a lot of great artists who haven't dropped one platinum album in their career and that's one of Will's worst sellling, that ain't bad, they'd love to say that, Common took 7 albums to go platinum just now... I wish I was born earlier so I could've lived in the golden era myself 'cause I feel out of place with what's out now since I like so much ol' school stuff, lol, the music industry has changed so much and the way I look at it ain't his fault, it's probably not as fun for Will to do music if you think about the way it's changed for the worst, maybe if the rap game returns to the golden era again he'll wanna do more but until then I think he'll probably stick with doing more films 'cause like Julie said that's where he gets the most popularity and respect at right now, the average time on top for a rap artist is not that long, in a few years 50 Cent'll be out of the spotlight himself and if he makes it to his 9th album he'll go double wood 'cause he don't have the talent and the desire to make it that far, his prime past after he got signed, he's only living off Eminem's fanbase that's fading too lol... LL Cool J don't sell as much as he did 10 years ago and he's been in the game the longest being the most dedicated and talented artist to stay on top as an ultimate entertainer just like Will. I'll be surprised if he ever sells as much as "Mr. Smith" and "Mama Said Knock You Out" again even though he's still putting out hits, I can't complain about that since he could still get on 106 & Park and TRL, Public Enemy released an album last week and it only sold 5,000 copies in the 1st week and their videos can't even get premiered when they used to go platinum, they release albums every year so there goes my theory of saying that releasing all the time'll keep your fanbase, lol, the fans have crap taste in music and have sold out from the great artists, not the opposite, as I put this in perspective I can't complain, true talent'll prevail in the long run though, Will still could be dropping hits 10 years from now as long as he's still alive while these wack chart rappers out now'll be long gone from the spotlight, VH1'll be doing a special: "Where is 50 Cent now?"

Well you're right about that 'cause LL does as much movies as Will does, in fact he signed a contract to do 9 films so who knows it might be awhile until we get an album after he releases "Todd Smith", Rakim hasn't really released an album in 7 years either just like Slick Rick, Heavy D, Big Daddy Kane Queen Latifah and others who haven't released anything longer than that, JJFP released 5 albums in 7 years and had a lot of success, if you look at who's popular now, you see that they release albums at about that same pace, it's kind of hard to do at this point for Will to do 'cause he's not in the prime of his music career anymore being more focused on films, like Kev said though he could release less films now if he wanted 'cause he's really popular there and could do only one film a year and spend more time to tour and record, I don't mind if he does films but it's upsetting that his film career overshadowed his music career, he needs more balance so that he'll be having equal respect and popularity at music and movies, but no matter what though you can't expect ol' school artists to carry hip-hop forever, it's a young man's game, you could do movies when you're older...

:word: To Jim, I couldn't say it better myself, at this point Will is in a confortable financial position as one of the richest men in America already, if he really loved music as much as he said he does he could do it more often and he'd get the recognition he deserves, if he really worried about his image he'd release the right singles when he wants to, he hasn't been that hands on with his music career like he should be, he could've kept the momentum from high sales on "Big Willie Style" up if he got the proper singles for "Willenium" and the other albums after that to come out, simply put he doesn't make it any easier for himself just doing a bunch of blockbuster films and releasing an occasional album is making him look like a sellout, he can't expect to get a lot of props for his music if he don't tour at all in the last 20 years, he ain't giving the fans what they want, and he's more respected as an actor 'cause he puts out movies every year, if he put out movies every 3 years he wouldn't be a popular actor anymore right? But when it comes to his music fans they have to wait and that's why his popularity has declined, fans are impatient, even us hardcore fans of him are feelin' alienated, I don't wanna hear that bs about how he got a family that's why he can't tour either, a lot of the artists have kids and they still have time to tour, maybe us fans set the expectations too high though, a lot of rappers are going to movies and are dropping less albums though so Will ain't the only doing this, it's frustrating though I feel you, but at this point I don't even care anymore and I'm happy with whatever comes out, I have more things in my life to worry about than my favorite rapper releasing an album....

Yeah I'm gonna pin this thread since there's so many posts here :1-eek:

Who is this petition being sent to? I think it's way too late to be doing this now, nobody cares anymore :shakehead:

Again usually the highest sellest artists are the ones who do tours, Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye West, Black Eyed Peas, and all of them popular rappers have world tours, even the pop stars like Britney and Madonna have world tours, Will seems to be one of the only music artists not to do tours, "Lost and Found" would've done better if there was a tour last spring/summer, "Code Red" might've done better if JJFP had a tour when that dropped too, you see though that your theory of associating music with television and film doesn't always work either, "Boom! Shake The Room" was premiered on FPOBA back in the days but that didn't stop "Code Red" from being the lowest selling JJFP album, "Black Suits Comin'" and the mega success of "MIBII" didn't stop "Born To Reign" from being the lowest selling album of his career either, then again selling 200,000 is the average of most rappers who don't do acting these days and that's Will's worst so he ain't doing too bad if you look at the big picture, it'd be nice if he toured though, maybe if more saw him and Jazzy rockin' the house, they'd respect him as a music artist and it'd save people from wasting money to see 50 Cent, that'd actually save some lives :kekeke:

I didn't serious think that be a good idea to do but I was just saying that if he was coming out as a singer now he'd probably have short term success, lol, but would end up being a one-hit wonder with no credabilty like most of them are gonna end up being since true talent prevails in the long term, the music industry is filled with a bunch of disposable artists, Will has stood the test of time, he don't need to change a damn thing, he only needs a record label that'll promote his albums enough so that everyone knows that it came out so they could buy them, maybe if they spent less time promoting disposable trash and promote the true artists that've stood the test of time and that music fans respect the most then maybe the music industry would be better than it is now, to see Ciara outselling Toni Braxton is a joke just like seeing 50 Cent outselling Will ....

Well if Will came out now he probably might be able to make it as a singer 'cause most singers out now can't sing either, they need to have rappers on their songs to have hits, lol, btw it's a bad idea to say Will'd sell more if he was r&b 'cause he outsells all r&b artists not named Usher or R. Kelly already, nobody really buys r&b anymore, Toni Braxton only sold 200,000 on her last album, overall I'm really happy with the way sales are for Will right now, not many artists in the industry could put out 9 albums that sell well over 30 million+, Will's unique the way he is, he should do what he wants to do, he shouldn't have to change to fit in with the hot trend sellin', he never had to rely on that so why start now? 'Cause I don't see 50 and those other pop artists on top of the charts selling that much when they're on their 9th albums 'cause they get overexposed, even Britney Spears goes from selling 20 million when she came out to selling 2 million with her last album and she's only like on her 4th, she probably won't even go gold on her 9th album if she even makes it that far...

:word: I also can't believe that DJ Premiere would produce for Black Eyed Peas before producing for Will...

Happy Birthday Max from one Piesces to another! :rockon:

I think r&b was more popular when "Born To Reign" came out and how well did that album do? And would that really help his image? Hell no, Will can't sing that well he's an mc, that'd put a nail in the coffin on his career if he made an r&b album!! :paperbag:

You could check out what Fat Joe said when you fast forward this an hour into the program, he's there vibin' with Jazzy Jeff and says a lot of nice things about him too, Fat Joe basically got love for everyone except G Unit, lol, you don't have to like his music but he's a cool dude, he doesn't go around dissin' other people just to hype up his sales: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/westwood/index.shtml btw, there is 45 year old rappers already, I mean Public Enemy's still going strong and Chuck D's 45 years old

Yeah it's all love with Fat Joe, he was saying that he respects what Will has done for hip-hop, he basically means that Will's the top dawg in the industry, that wasn't a diss man so chill...