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Old white men choose Grammy's though, the only way Will could win Grammys if he sold a lot more, it's a popularity contest, but record sales don't equal props, I don't think "Big Willie Style" had this type of credability of "Lost and Found".... Yeah MCA is the best one but unfortunately most don't even know about Beastie Boys anymore, that's kinda stupid though that they gotta catergorise them as 'white boy' rappers just like the female rappers have their own category that's wack in my opinion, MCA is one of the best period...

Like Cozmo D said I'm sure it could've been settled without the Furious Five making it a public issue, they were probably just jealous that Will and Jeff still are having a career while theirs is dead, they should've been happy that somebody still gives them homage in their song, I get that impression especially after hearing the comments that Melle Mel made about KRS and Rakim, they're just bitter...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hundreds Pay Respects to Tookie Williams By PAUL CHAVEZ, Associated Press WriterMon Dec 19, 9:09 PM ET Hundreds of people converged Monday on the South Los Angeles neighborhood where Stanley Tookie Williams co-founded the Crips to say goodbye to a "homeboy" executed last week over the objections of supporters who said he had turned his life around. Williams, clad in a gray suit, lay in an open coffin at the House of Winston Mortuary as people quietly filed by with their heads bowed. "Mostly everyone is out here because of his reputation," said Robert Collins, 27, who said he was a former Crips gang member. "Everyone knew Tookie was no angel. Everyone's just paying their respects to him." A line of 200 stretched out the door shortly after the six-hour viewing began in mid-afternoon. More than an hour later, the line had dissipated but people were still streaming through. Williams, whose execution was carried out over the protests of supporters who included celebrities and civil rights activists, spent his last years on California's Death Row renouncing gang violence and writing several children's books warning of the dangers of gangs. See Love, a teacher with the Los Angeles Unified School District, said she had seen firsthand the way Williams' book "Life in Prison" had changed students' lives. "Tookie's words were able to do what no judge or probation officer was able to do," said Love, 35. "I hope Stanley's spirit continues to live in the name of peace." Williams, 51, was executed last Tuesday for the murders of four people during a pair of 1979 robberies. Although he had renounced his past as co-founder of the deadly Crips, he maintained to his death that he did not commit the killings. A crowd lingering outside the mortuary carried signs and handed out flyers proclaiming his innocence. Lori Tompkins, 48, of Los Angeles, said she came "to say goodbye to our homeboy and also give support to his family." "We feel he was innocent and wrongly killed," she added. The viewing was to be followed by a funeral Tuesday in Los Angeles. Organizers said those expected to attend included the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan and hip-hop artist Snoop Dogg.

I think it's kinda wack too how it's a big issue when there's a white rapper or basketball player, why can't people just refer to them as rappers and basketball players like all the black ones get referred to as? I mean it's kind of stupid to say that Eminem's a 'white boy' rapper or Keith Van Horn is the 'great white hope' basketball player, stereotypes need to stop... lol, damn I can't believe I actually defended Eminem on something but I only don't like most of his songs, it's not 'cause he's white that I don't like him, but it's like you hear black people say "f*** that white boy, he's ruining hip-hop, only us real n***s should rap", that's reverse racism, I wouldn't diss him 'cause he's white and I think anybody could be a rapper no matter what race they are, you should judge somebody by what they do, not what they look like... I found it kinda disturbing too that Larry Bird'd say that the NBA'd be better if more white players were in the league, if white players have good enough skills to play in the league is how they should make it just like black players with the skills, you can't just throw players in with no talent just 'cause they're white....

I wasn't referring to you Vipa, you're keepin' the peace...

Well let's hope JJFP go on tour and perform "Party Starter" quite a bit, maybe Luda could drop in a couple shows too, I'm shocked that it didn't blow up like it should've... :thumbdown:

This thread is pointless now, I'm tired of this crap, I'm locking it up! :word:

Let's keep this topic about Will Smith's image, not about who believes in God or not, any more of this Holy Roller stuff and I'll lock this topic! :paperbag:

To say Ja Rule ain't in the game anymore is like saying Will Smith ain't in the game anymore, his last album went gold, he ain't sellin' millions anymore 'cause he ain't making so many love songs like he used to so the teenyboppers don't buy it like they used to, his style's more aggressive again 'cause he's been facing more drama from haters so it ain't radio friendly, he's coming hard at the haters now, his last album is harder than 50's last 2 albums combined, the teenyboppers all jumped off the bandwagon that's all, who gives a **** about who gets the most airplay on TRL, it ain't like Britney Spears is the greatest singer of all time...

Nobody in the world is perfect...

I could talk this is that about how wack 50 Cent is and you could talk about how wack Freeway is but more than likely they'd woop our asses, at the worst they're the worst with a record deal but they're sure better than a whole bunch of amateurs that can't get signed, image plays a part to how much they sell though, that's a different story, there's rappers out there with record deals who have as much skills as Jay-Z and LL but they ain't as radio friendly or don't have style as they do so they don't sell... But to say you're better than them is like me watching a Chicago Bulls game on TV and saying that Tyson Chandler sucks but I know that Tyson Chandler would kill me in one-on-one, let's be clear, at the worst he's the worst starting center in the NBA, and for the record in my opinion Freeway got more flow than Kanye, if he had Kanye's style and content in his records, he'd sell the same amount if not more records than him...

I don't many people'd say Freeway's as great as LL or Jay-Z but to say he got no talent is stupid, he wouldn't have been discovered by Jay-Z if he wasn't rippin' amateur rappers on the underground scene in Philly, you gotta put in work to get a record deal, it's not like Jay'd bring anybody on stage with him on his tours without talent... Sure Puffy's not as great as Biggie either but he got a great buisiness mind, there wouldn't be no Biggie career if Puffy wasn't able to judge Biggie's talent to give him a record deal... No matter if they're Canibus, Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Nick Cannon, 50 Cent, whoever, they all got talent to get signed, there's millions out there that don't have record deals for a reason, everybody who got signed got talent, some more than others according to peoples' perceptions on their image, the problem with the rap game is that they push one image more than some other images but they all have enough talent to put out a disc, whether it's good or not is up to the people who choose to listen to it to see how long they'll last... If you think Freeway got no talent, why don't u beat him in a freestyle battle then? I don't think so, lol...

I actually found out Hot Karl when I heard a song from him on the "NBA Live 2003" soundtrack, he got some nice punchlines and he raps with substance, those who think Eminem is the dopest white rapper'd be proven wrong 'cause this white boy got more game than Em, I heard that he won a freestyle competition for a Cali radio station for 44 straight days, beleve me if he rapped about killing his mother everyone in the world'd know about him, lol. You should check him out but I don't think his album is close to "Lost and Found"'s level but hey it's better they say his album instead of 50 Cent being better than Will's... EDIT: Here's an in depth interview with Hot Karl, you'll learn about him better when you read this: http://www.geocities.com/hiphopinterview/hotkarl.html

:word: Some of you people talk about Jay-Z like a rap god but don't forget that he was the one who signed Freeway.... Some ol' school rap heads might just say LL's selling out for doing a song with Freeway and Juelz Santana without even listening to the songs and I find that disturbing and they're the ones selling out on LL in my opinion, LL's open minded and he likes artists from today as well as the ol' school rappers, he doesn't wanna start a beef by telling them they can't be on the song, he wants to see them have success too especially since they're his label mates, he's like Magic Johnson, he always likes to assist... Would you buy Will's album if he did "Whistle Song" as 1st single and would diss Juelz Santana for doing "Switch"? Those are both fun tracks, Juelz does put a lot of ol' school elements into his songs, even Rakim was in his "Mic Check" video which had a lot of dope punchlines in it like "Uhhh", he's a dope young lyricist like Kel Spencer...

Sorry to break to you AJ but your favorite artists might not have the same taste as you, as much as you don't like it Will likes Biggie and LL likes Juelz Santana, so you're gonna disown them for that? I don't care if LL does a song with Britney Spears as long as it's a good song and if you hate this track something's wrong with you 'cause this is doper than anything "The Definition" and I liked that album! :mygod:

That's kinda low that the Furious Five'd sue Will, he looked up to them, I'm sure they coulda called them up without even going to court and Will'd gladly cut up a check for his heroes... btw, Chuck D sued DJ Priemere a few years ago for samplin' his voice over a track that Biggie raps over crack without Chuck's consent, Chuck didn't like that 'cause he didn't condone what Biggie was talkin' about in that song, I'm surprised he gives props to Jay-Z 'cause he raps about the same things, maybe Chuck has softened over the years over that...

Yo AJ did you actually listen to the tracks that LL did with Juelz and Freeway? Don't blindly hate on something if you didn't hear it yet, open your mind a lil' bit, I mean seriously LL's spittin' the most aggressive on those tracks since "The G.O.A.T." album, "Feel The Beat" is actually weak in comparison to the way he flows on "Whatcha Want", LL's rapping like he's 25 years old again and Freeway and Juelz actually did great for their standards to be on the track, I mean if those are seriously the worst songs on this album, this'll be his biggest classic possibly since "Mama Said Knock You Out", it's amazing that at almost 40 years old he could still rap as aggressive as he did when most of today's rappers weren't yet born... btw, when is his "Todd Smith" clothing line gonna drop? I need some fresh gear for the '06...

Freeway and Juelz Santana did quite well on the features and they're probably gonna be the worst songs so just imagine what the rest of the album'll sound like, I bet the song with Mary J.'ll be the best one, but let's be clear this is LL's show and he don't need anybody on a track with him but it shows the younger rap fans that LL could outspit their favorite rapper, that's why I think it'd be funny to see Will go on and murder 50 Cent on his own album, lol, we might not want Will to do a track with 50 but I think it'd show all those teenyboppers that Will could outspit 50 Cent when before they wouldn't buy Will's album 'cause MTV don't play him all day anymore, LL knows how to stay relevant like this, if he did tracks with ol' school rappers nobody except a few ol' school fans would buy it... I'd really love for Pete Rock and DJ Premiere do some producing on here instead of Trackmasters and JD, that's what'd make the album perfect...

Does Jay-Z pay Biggie's family everytime he says a Biggie line in a song? :hmm:

After listening to "Whatcha Want" with Freeway and "Juelz and LL" with Juelz, I'm convinced that LL's 12th album is gonna be his best since "The G.O.A.T." album and should convince more people to put him #1 on their lists, a lot of commercial clowns like 50'll be hanging up the mic after this drops! :mygod:

Will sorta likes to do more things on his own too, he don't really collab with too many other mcs, except on "Willenium", he put Kel Spencer on there who was a new rapper then, that'd been the perfect album for LL to be on, he should've had a verse on "So Fresh", they could've of added a few more ol' school mcs and made it a 15-minute song like "Rappers Delight", even if that meant cuttin' a couple tracks in the beginning of the album off and that'd made it the greatest album ever! I think that's why LL might get respect than Will 'cause he works with a lot of the current new mcs in the game all the time, it shows that he could still hang with everyone from all the different eras on a track, that's what made "G.O.A.T." so great, it's like Jordan making the all-star game with Dr. J and with Vince Carter, LL truely is the Michael Jordan of the rap game, still the top dog on the all-star rap label Def Jam, it nice to have all the guest appearances but it's clear that LL runs the show...

I'm actually happier to see rap heads give Will props, they hold more credability than those who pick 50 Cent to be nominated for a Grammy award...

Well they probably don't have time to hang out with each other, after all Will's probably been shootin' his film the past few months that LL's been working on his album, and when Will was working on his album LL was out touring, they just do collabs with those who drop by the studio I guess, I don't think LL thinks Freeway's better than Will or I don't think Will thinks Snoop's better than LL, so what why did Jay-Z have Eminem produce on the "Black Album" instead of Jazzy Jeff? I'm sure he don't think Em's better at producing than Jazzy...

They actually put Will on a list with real mcs! :mygod: I wouldn't mind if Will did a collab with J-Live and Hot Karl, those are great lyricists...

I honestly never heard of anybody who said they think those mcs I mentioned are less harder than 50 Cent, even when 50 was in his prime being an average mc for a very short period not many would say that, most of 50's fans haven't even heard of them, it's one thing to like 50 Cent, u could like whoever u want, but to say he's the hardest ever is something different... :paperbag: I like a nice variety of hip-hop: lil' commercial, mostly ol' school, and some underground is my balance, i try to give things a listen before i diss somebody so believe me i think that 50 cent being the worst rapper of all time holds a lot of weight, i don't really listen to 1000 mcs, AJ might be the only one on the board that has that much albums, lol, but i bet there's a lot of mcs who spit knowledge that never get signed 'cause of all the studio gangstas in the game, so u gotta put that in perspective, i don't have a deal yet either but 50 don't scare me, if anybody from his promotion team drops on this board they could tell him i'm ready for him, lol, anyway let's get back to discussin' aggressive albums.... I'm surprised nobody mentioned Scarface yet, basically all of his albums are aggressive!