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Freeway and Juelz Santana did quite well on the features and they're probably gonna be the worst songs so just imagine what the rest of the album'll sound like, I bet the song with Mary J.'ll be the best one, but let's be clear this is LL's show and he don't need anybody on a track with him but it shows the younger rap fans that LL could outspit their favorite rapper, that's why I think it'd be funny to see Will go on and murder 50 Cent on his own album, lol, we might not want Will to do a track with 50 but I think it'd show all those teenyboppers that Will could outspit 50 Cent when before they wouldn't buy Will's album 'cause MTV don't play him all day anymore, LL knows how to stay relevant like this, if he did tracks with ol' school rappers nobody except a few ol' school fans would buy it... I'd really love for Pete Rock and DJ Premiere do some producing on here instead of Trackmasters and JD, that's what'd make the album perfect...

Does Jay-Z pay Biggie's family everytime he says a Biggie line in a song? :hmm:

After listening to "Whatcha Want" with Freeway and "Juelz and LL" with Juelz, I'm convinced that LL's 12th album is gonna be his best since "The G.O.A.T." album and should convince more people to put him #1 on their lists, a lot of commercial clowns like 50'll be hanging up the mic after this drops! :mygod:

Will sorta likes to do more things on his own too, he don't really collab with too many other mcs, except on "Willenium", he put Kel Spencer on there who was a new rapper then, that'd been the perfect album for LL to be on, he should've had a verse on "So Fresh", they could've of added a few more ol' school mcs and made it a 15-minute song like "Rappers Delight", even if that meant cuttin' a couple tracks in the beginning of the album off and that'd made it the greatest album ever! I think that's why LL might get respect than Will 'cause he works with a lot of the current new mcs in the game all the time, it shows that he could still hang with everyone from all the different eras on a track, that's what made "G.O.A.T." so great, it's like Jordan making the all-star game with Dr. J and with Vince Carter, LL truely is the Michael Jordan of the rap game, still the top dog on the all-star rap label Def Jam, it nice to have all the guest appearances but it's clear that LL runs the show...

I'm actually happier to see rap heads give Will props, they hold more credability than those who pick 50 Cent to be nominated for a Grammy award...

Well they probably don't have time to hang out with each other, after all Will's probably been shootin' his film the past few months that LL's been working on his album, and when Will was working on his album LL was out touring, they just do collabs with those who drop by the studio I guess, I don't think LL thinks Freeway's better than Will or I don't think Will thinks Snoop's better than LL, so what why did Jay-Z have Eminem produce on the "Black Album" instead of Jazzy Jeff? I'm sure he don't think Em's better at producing than Jazzy...

They actually put Will on a list with real mcs! :mygod: I wouldn't mind if Will did a collab with J-Live and Hot Karl, those are great lyricists...

I honestly never heard of anybody who said they think those mcs I mentioned are less harder than 50 Cent, even when 50 was in his prime being an average mc for a very short period not many would say that, most of 50's fans haven't even heard of them, it's one thing to like 50 Cent, u could like whoever u want, but to say he's the hardest ever is something different... :paperbag: I like a nice variety of hip-hop: lil' commercial, mostly ol' school, and some underground is my balance, i try to give things a listen before i diss somebody so believe me i think that 50 cent being the worst rapper of all time holds a lot of weight, i don't really listen to 1000 mcs, AJ might be the only one on the board that has that much albums, lol, but i bet there's a lot of mcs who spit knowledge that never get signed 'cause of all the studio gangstas in the game, so u gotta put that in perspective, i don't have a deal yet either but 50 don't scare me, if anybody from his promotion team drops on this board they could tell him i'm ready for him, lol, anyway let's get back to discussin' aggressive albums.... I'm surprised nobody mentioned Scarface yet, basically all of his albums are aggressive!

with Jamie Foxx in a supporting role, umm who else .... LL Cool J! :yeah:

I dig "2Pacalypse Now", 2Pac's probably the most aggressive mc after Chuck D and KRS to me, all these studio rappers would have to hang up the mic if he were still alive...

50 Cent'd still be broke if he never got shot, that's the only reason why he was able to sell so much, he's a gimmick, face it, you lose all credability in my book saying that he's harder than those mcs I mentioned, it's obvious that 50's fans are ignorant and stubborn as him so i want no more part of this debate, I ain't gonna dumb down to your level, have a nice life...

:stars: :damnyou: :tantrum: :shakehead: :chuks: :shrug: :ShockRifle: :wtf: All I could say is lord have mercy on your soul...

Anybody who says they like "Ice Ice Baby" got problems 'cause even he himself says he hates that song :wiggle: Anyways if you listen to something from these mcs then I'm wrong though: Aceyalone, Aesop Rock, OC, Masta Ace, Little Brother, De La Soul, KRS-ONE, Jean Grae, Black Thought, and Treach btw, if u do listen to them u could honestly say with a straight face that 50's harder than all of them? I wouldn't even put 50 in my top 1000 mcs, Canibus and Vanilla Ice could even beat him in a battle.

Don't feel offended by what I'm sayin' renegade tim, u should stick around so we could help introduce you to some good music, you need some guidance man if you think 50's as hard as it gets...

Well at least Vanilla Ice rhymes over hard beats now, 50 rhymes over crappy pop rap beats dancing with chicks that look like men, so if that's what you like...? :willvspaparazzi: :rofl:

I thought you were a Roc fan fan4ever what u complaining about Freeway for? Jay'll probably jump on a remix too 'cause that's all he does these days...If JJFP get on Def Jam, we'll probably have a JJFP + LL collab.... I think Todd Smith is the name of the clothing line he's supposed to drop, that's what I thought this was about...

Aight I didn't wanna turn this into a 50 Cent hatefest but you my friend renegade tim are brainwashed like Turntable said, you're just one of those teenyboppers that like 50 Cent but when you get older you'll see how fake he is. I bet you never even listened to anything recent from Vanilla Ice either, you probably just diss him 'cause he ain't famous anymore so that's blind hate, and only know him from how the media tells you "Ice Ice Baby" is wack but they'll be saying the same thing 10 years from now about how wack "Candy Shop" is too. 50 Cent'll be like Vanilla Ice with a dead career trying to get his credability back but once you sell out it's too late to come back but Vanilla Ice is harder now than 50 Cent'll ever be and that doesn't say much but it ain't like Chuck D'll ever do a song with 50's wack ass like he did a song with Vanilla Ice, he don't like dissin' rappers but he'll diss 50 Cent in his terrordomes regulary, 50's too scared to go against the rhyme animal though, lol. btw, Vanilla Ice was wack 'cause he was drugs but 50's wack 'cause he's just straight ignorant. Game and Nas are gonna get together and end 50's career the way that LL and Wyclef got together to finish Canibus, Nas'll be sayin', "Me and Game got together to set you up" like LL said "Me and Wyclef got together to set you up" to Bis, and for the record as wack as Vanilla Ice is "Too The Extreme" has a 3 star rating while 50's "The Massacre" only has 2.5 stars so by that note, 50 made the worst rap album of all time :kekeke: Look at the facts you could see 50's career's ending: "GRODT" sold 8 million off the hype of being shot 9 times but some of his hardcore fans from the underground days liked it even though it was mostly teeny boppers who bought it, 50 drops "The Massacre" which is disposable pop rap to say the least which sells 4 million and only teeny boppers like you enjoy it, 50's hardcore underground base has now died and his movie flopped 'cause the teenyboppers couldn't see it since they're underaged, Tony Yayo don't go gold, and his movie soundtrack won't even go platinum with all the G Unit cast on there so that tells you that his career is dying, I bet 50's next album won't go platinum 'cause the teenyboppers'll grow up! Anyway that's it for my rant, let's get back on topic y'all... :pony:

Yeah definately, Ja Rule didn't go around dissin' other rappers for singin' hooks on their songs when he was doing it and he never really did it on entire albums either like 50 is that's what makes it even more contradictory on 50's part, Ja always spits something aggressive on all his albums too, he never went soft like 50 after being so hard before, that's like a 360 degree change in such a short period, people shouldn't change that fast. Will sings hooks on some of his songs too but he doesn't diss other rappers for that either, contradictory is doing something that you diss somebody else for doing, don't put $$$ ahead of what you believe in, that'd be like if Will makes a gangsta rap album, he might respect some gangsta rap but gangsta rap is not the style he is so he won't do it personally, that's what makes him so real, too many fakes these days, I could relate to that 'cause I like to listen to some gangsta rap myself but in no means do I rap about gangsta stuff, it ain't my life, I just get entertained by some of it, mcs should rhyme about what they know... Irv Gotti said this about 50 in Vibe last year and it's so true: "People view him as this big tough and rough guy, but what has he really done gangsta? You got beat up and stabbed. You got shot. You are the product of what gangstas do to bitch ass n----s when they run their mouths. 50's the recipient of gangsta s---, but it's only me and my crew see this. This entire year has been backwards, it's like one plus one equals three.In another year or two, there's gonna be another snot nosed, arrogant n--- who's got some personality, that talks slick with the mike, and everyone is gonna make him number one just so they can say f--- you later, 50 Cent is gonna get a dose of f--- you, watch." Gotti's right, the arrogant cat in the game talking slick is none other than Game who came in and is now more respected than 50, the people who bought his album respect him while the people who purchased 50's "Massacre" album want their money back and screaming "G U-Not!" along with Game, lol, I read that Game's album has a 4-star rating on amazon.com from purchasers while 50's only has a 2.5 star rating. :yeah:

50 Cent's "Massacre" is a sign of hypocrisy, he disses Ja Rule for singing on hooks and now he's doing basically the same thing on every track of the album, he'll do anything just to get $$$$$$, he's a sellout, he hasn't been hard since he became famous, even Vanilla Ice is harder than him, he's actually the opposite of Eminem and 50, he came out soft but now he's hard but he ain't a great mc by any means, I do feel a lil' bad though that the public only remembers Vanilla Ice for his soft songs and think that 50's as hard as it gets, he should have an opportunity to redeem himself on a major label just for his image but he's rich as hell anyway from sellin' out before so I don't really feel that bad, lol... I'd still actually rather buy his new album than buy another album from G Unit period though... Mobb Deep ain't hard anymore either dancing in a video with 50 Cent when they don't do stuff like that, they're selling out their style to get rich too.... I respect artists that stay themselves, Will might not be hard but he ain't trying to be a studio gangsta just to sell out... not all aggressive albums are great, don't bring studio gangstas into discussion...

Common's "Electric Cirus", Mos Def's "The New Danger", and The Roots "Phrenology" are some aggressive hip-hop albums, I don't get how some so-called hip-hop fans could diss those albums when they complain about other rappers not being original, how could you get more original than those albums?

Jive ain't really legit anymore, I think going to Def Jam would probably be the only major hip-hop label that'd work for JJFP 'cause if you think about it next year LL Cool J's gonna drop his album, The Roots is gonna drop their album, Slick Rick's gonna drop his album, we might even get a Nas album, and top it off with a JJFP album would be incredible, what other label can compete with that many real hip-hop artists?!! :mygod:

I actually even like "Electric Circus" better than "BE" now even though it flopped, that album has grown on me, Common really spit aggressive on those tracks, it might be one of the most creative CDs of all time, it's nothing like I ever heard, that's why people don't buy it 'cause it didn't sound like anything out at that time, people're buying him now 'cause he sounds like Kanye West, I like it better when Common does different things that nobody else has done...

Yeah "Be"'s sorta like Nas' "It Was Written" where it wasn't his best album but it put him out in the public eye...

MSNBC.com Freeman calls black history month ‘ridiculous’ Oscar-winning actor says ‘black history is American history’ The Associated Press Updated: 2:46 p.m. ET Dec. 15, 2005 NEW YORK - Morgan Freeman says the concept of a month dedicated to black history is "ridiculous." "You're going to relegate my history to a month?" the 68-year-old actor says in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" to air Sunday (7 p.m. EST). "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." Black History Month has roots in historian Carter G. Woodson's Negro History Week, which he designated in 1926 as the second week in February to mark the birthdays of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln. Woodson said he hoped the week could one day be eliminated — when black history would become fundamental to American history. Freeman notes there is no "white history month," and says the only way to get rid of racism is to "stop talking about it." The actor says he believes the labels "black" and "white" are an obstacle to beating racism. "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man," Freeman says. Freeman received Oscar nominations for his roles in 1987's "Street Smart," 1989's "Driving Miss Daisy" and 1994's "The Shawshank Redemption." He finally won earlier this year for "Million Dollar Baby." Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. © 2005 MSNBC.com

a will smith-tom cruise film could possibly be the biggest grossing film of all-time, that'd be history, i'd like to see will make more history in the rap game before that happens though...