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KRS got millions of dollars but there's no way he's got Will Smith money, he ain't making 20 million a film, KRS needs to be on an independent label or else he'd be broke, Kanye's selling 2 million on Def Jam and yet he's $600,000 in debt so I'd imagine how much debt KRS would be in with a gold record on Jive records, being on independent label is KRS' source of income, he had to go independent, he'd probably like to promote his stuff too but he don't wanna be broke doing it, all he does is rhyme, his only passion is hip-hop, he don't do anything on the side like Will does, it's 2 different situations, Will has enough money to start his own label, he don't have to sign to anybody actually, Will could actually help Koch become a mainstream label the way that Dr. Dre helped Interscope become mainstream, that used to be an independent label too...

That'd really be a good move for both Koch and Will, Koch needs to have a big name on there and Will'd have more creative freedom than he'd on any mainstream label....

:word: "Tell Me Why" is bigger than Will's album sales, this is something that everyone needs to hear!

VH1 listed Kool Moe Dee at #48 a couple years ago, that's how you could tell he put a bias in his book :rofl: http://www.gotriad.com/article/articleview/3667/1/17

The track is perfect with the production, lyrics, flow, and most importantly the MESSAGE! :2thumbs: :bowdown:

See what I mean hardly anybody in this generation has ever heard of Melle Mel, he hasn't put out a recording in like 20 years when he was a member of The Furious Five with Grandmaster Flash, LL Cool J should be #1 'cause like Will Smith everyone knows who LL is, whether you're 10 years old or 50 years old, everyone from Bow Wow's generation to the president's generation knows him, it's obvious that Kool Moe Dee's bitter towards LL for killing his career, I'm surprised he even put LL in the top 10 but not many'd say that they think Kool Moe Dee is better than LL, LL has outlasted basically everyone ranked above him there too, KRS still makes albums but only his few hardcore fans buy them, I'm probably one of few under 30 who actually listens to KRS' recent albums, LL has been getting fans from the youth generation to buy his albums, Will should be in the top 10, especially after "Lost and Found", that should cement that... I notice nobody from the Beastie Boys is on there either and yet there's Xzibit, say it ain't so Kool Moe Dee!!!!!!! :paperbag: Lil' Kim has no flow, no substance, no performance, I don't understand what'd make Kool Moe Dee consider her an mc, I'd love to read that!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't read the book, like Da Brakes said it's probably one of the best lists, I have a problem with Slick Rick being #40 though he should be top 10 easily, he influenced Pac, Biggie, Redman, and basically every mc above him there, him putting Lauryn instead of Wyclef, Wyclef has had more longevity than Lauryn, and I don't like that he put those few at the end of the list instead of Salt/Pepa/ MC Hammer/Talib Kweli though but this is the closest thing to a perfect list I've seen, I gotta get my hand on this book...

Well basically if Will did that that'd alienate everybody if I think about it, lol, the hardcore fans like us wouldn't like him anymore and the everyone else'll make fun of Will for trying to be hard after being the clean rapper for so many years, "Maybe I should just have a shootout..." :rofl: :stars:

Kool Moe Dee should trade places between Melle Mel and Will! :yeah: Heavy D at 25 is actually realistic to me 'cause he put out 7 albums, he definately deserves that type of recognition, I don't anybody would put Kool Moe Dee in their top 5, he's probably the only one to feel that way, he must feel bitter that LL's still out and his career's dead now, I think it's more realistic for Queen Latifah to be ahead of 2Pac than it is for Nas to be ahead of 2Pac, I don't know what he was thinking to put Kurupt, Lil' Kim, Craig Mack, Foxy Brown, and Mack 10 on the list: Where's Salt-N-Pepa, MC Hammer, Talib Kweli, Ghostface Killa, and Shock G?

This is funny that Kool Moe Dee ranks himself ahead of LL, Will Smith at #23 is respectable, Doug E. Fresh ahead of Slick Rick is shocking, Lauryn Hill only had one album so she can't be in the top 10, Queen Latifah should be top 10, why'd he put Lil' Kim ahead of Fat Joe? but hey at least he didn't put no wack rappers like Eminem or 50 Cent on here... http://oldschoolhiphop.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~8930.asp "Greatest MC's 1. Melle Mel 2. Rakim 3. KRS-One 4. Big Daddy Kane 5. Kool Mo Dee 6. Grandmaster Caz 7. LL Cool J 8. Chuck D 9. Notorious B.I.G. 10. Lauryn Hill 11. Nas 12. Queen Latifah 13. Tupac 14. Kool G Rap 15. Jay-Z 16. Treach 17. Method Man 18. Ice Cube 19. MC Lyte 20. Redman 21. Ras Kass 22. GZA 23. Will Smith 24. Busta Rhymes 25. Heavy D 26. Pharoahe Monch 27. Xzibit 28. Common 29. Black Thought 30. Scarface 31. Kurtis Blow 32. Run 33. Snoop Dogg 34. Guru 35. Ice-T 36. Doug E Fresh 37. Keith Murray 38. Mystikal 39. Kurupt 40. Slick Rick 41. Big Pun 42. Lil' Kim 43. MC Shan 44. Craig Mack 45. Jeru the Damaja 46. Fat Joe 47. Spoonie Gee 48. Foxy Brown 49. Mack 10 50. Just-Ice there were 17 categories that he rated each MC from 0-100 on. Originality concepts versatility vocabulary substance flow flavor freestyle vocal presence live performance poetic value body of work industry impact social impact longevity (this category skewers the list alot in my opinion) Lyrics Battle skills

Pete Rock in my opinion is the best producer on the mic with his lyrics and flow, CL Smooth is dope too, now I think Juelz Santana is one of the best mcs to come out recently, his flow's sick but he's a lil' lacking on lyrics, if he works on that a lil' bit more he could be one of the best ever, especially since he was able to hang on a track with LL...

Yeah there's mcs out there who can't flow but have dope lyrics, there's mcs out there who got dope flow but they have no lyrics, but usually if you're lacking one area you can't be a great mc, great mcs have to be versatile, the only thing 50 Cent is good at is dressin' like a girl, lol.

50 Cent can't flow, he mumbles most of the time, even Vanilla Ice got more flow than he does...

Well that's true that Slick Rick ain't really doing anything now, neither is Rakim, this ain't about who has the best flow now, we're talking all time ain't we? We can't bring up Biggie and Pac anymore either if we're talking about now 'cause they're dead. But seriously what original thing has 50 Cent done to be put on the same level as them on the all time list? So what Michael Jordan doesn't play basketball anymore but that doesn't mean he ain't the greatest basketball player of all time, no player in the league right now is doing it like MJ did and there's no rapper in the game now putting it down the way Slick Rick did...

Where's the love for Busta? :bat:

Kanye is different than Pac, Pac represented for the people when he rhymed, Kanye only represents for himself when he rhymes, Pac didn't cry like a bitch over how much awards or platinum plaques he had, Kanye does, that's what makes Pac more than Kanye to me... How old are you like 12? Hip-hop has nothing to do with how much money or platinum plaques you have, an mc selling 2000 could rhyme better than a commercial rapper selling 2 million, talent is talent, whether you're on MTV performing somebody elses lyrics or your performing on your block performing all the rhymes you wrote... Kanye should keep fighting the power for the people, not just to boost his career, he's a selfish punk... You don't beg for respect, respect comes to you... Kids buy into it when 50 Cent and Kanye West say stupid things but the hip-hop heads don't, Kanye's looking more like a sellout everyday...Don't get me wrong I don't hate everything commercial since I'm posting at the mc-dj duo that've sold millions, but they're original, a lot of what these commercial cats do is bite off of each other, kanye is a poser, he needs to collaborate with a million rappers for his album to sound good...

Just when I start to defend him, he has to say and do stupid s*** like this, I feel like I do when a friend abandons me, lol. :bat: Honestly like Flava Flav said: "Who gives a f*** 'bout a goddamn Grammy", platinum plaques and awards don't make a real mc, we don't see Will complaing about not being nominated 'cause he's the real mc Kanye isn't. Public Enemy has toured over 50 times in 20 years but they have no Grammy, I don't see Chuck D complaining about it. Kanye says that artists shouldn't give each other props so hopefully nobody gives him props, let's see how Kanye'd do if he had nobody guest appearing on his next album, if I was a popular mc in the rap industry and Kanye asked me to do a record with him I'd say "f*** you" after hearing something like this. He didn't criticise Bush for the reason of caring about the people, he did it to boost his career and call it racism if he loses, lol. He calls himself the greatest last week at the Billboard with LL there hosting, hopefully LL has something to say about that when he releases his next album, the young punk needs to get schooled...

Well at least I got 1 of the 4 right, I thought "Push It" came out in '86.... I don't really like "Goin' Back To Cali" that much either, I don't think "Parents Just Don't Understand" is one of my favorite JJFP songs either, it's much better than FP's recent singles though...

"Kanye's At It Again: 'If I Don't Win Album Of The Year I'm Gonna Have A Problem' Grammy nominations won't be announced till Thursday, but he's starting his campaign early. by Corey Moss Kanye West (Photo: Chrissy L. Nguyen / MTV News) SANTA MONICA, California — So what if the Grammy nominations haven't been announced? Kanye West is enraged anyway. On Monday, when West performed a special high school concert (see "College Dropout Kanye Tells High School Students Not To Follow In His Footsteps"), the rapper spouted to MTV News backstage about predictions he'd heard that his Late Registration LP would be a likely contender for Album of the Year — but wouldn't win because of West's tendency to run his mouth (particularly his comment that "George Bush doesn't care about black people"). "If I don't win Album of the Year, I'm gonna really have a problem with that," said West. "I can never talk myself out of [winning], you know why? Because I put in the work. I don't care if I jumped up and down right now on the couch like Tom Cruise. I don't care what I do, I don't care how much I stunt — you can never take away from the amount of work I put into it. So I don't wanna hear all of that politically correct stuff. You put the camera in front of me, I'm gonna tell you like this. I worked hard to get here. I put my love, I put my heart, I put my money [into Late Registration]. I'm $600,000 in the hole right now on that album and you tell me about being politically incorrect? "People love these songs," he continued. "You talk to somebody whose grandmother just died and listens to 'Roses,' and you tell me about being politically incorrect. I'm talking about history. I never got five mics [top rating] in The Source, I never got five stars from Vibe. They said it's not a classic. So 'Jesus Walks' is not a classic? 'Roses' is not a classic? 'Gold Digger' wasn't song of the year? 'Oh, but Kanye, you can't say that.' Why? Who are you? I don't know you." West mocked artists who "love everybody except themselves," calling it "cliché media training." He also made it clear he's not planning to shut up anytime soon. "I said I was the face of the Grammys last year. I'm 10 times that [this year]," West said. "Get your cameras ready. Two things: Do not let me get up on that stage and do not let me get up on that stage. Either way, we going crazy!" The Grammy nominees will be announced on Thursday, and the ceremony is scheduled for February 8 in Los Angeles. Kanye's Grammy Warning "If I don't win Album of the Year, I'm gonna really have a problem with that," he said. Last fall, West attacked the American Music Awards backstage at the event after losing Best New Artist to Gretchen Wilson. That tantrum made West a focus at the Grammys in February, where he was the leading nominee (with 10) and won three awards, including Best Rap Album for The College Dropout and Best Rap Song for "Jesus Walks" (see "Kanye Steals The Show, But Ray Dominates Grammy Winners' Circle"). In Sunday's Los Angeles Times, critic Robert Hilburn wrote that the Recording Academy, which organizes the Grammys and is considered by some to be late in recognizing new artists, could reclaim credibility this year by giving West the Album of the Year. There was no mention of West's rants. Also on Monday, West revealed the next single from Late Registration will be "Touch the Sky," which in some ways is a response to his critics. " 'Touch the Sky' is what my life is about, it's what this year's been about," he said. "To anyone that feels like something is so far away, [the song is] just the concept of actually being able to leap above the environment that you're in. All the naysayers and the haters and people say, 'You'll never make it that far, you'll never make it out of this town, we'll call you,' and all those things, and finally you get the opportunity to touch the sky. That's what this year's about, so no matter what they give to me or try to take from me, there's nothing you can take from me. We've already touched the sky. "With or without any accolades, whatever it is, the fact that people listen to this music and it's connected with people, the fact that you see fans crying in the audience — you can't tell me anything after that because there's so many places and establishments where people are out of touch," he continued. "When someone hears your song and cries, then you're in touch and that's what matters. At that point, you feel like you've touched the sky." This report is provided by MTV News"

It was most likely Public Enemy's "Don't Believe The Hype", Run-DMC's "Run's House", Eric B. and Rakim's "Follow The Leader", and LL Cool J's "Going Back To Cali" if I had to guess, '88 was the greatest year in rap history so that's what makes JJFP's win significant! :bowdown:

Yeah well if Lil' Kim says that she don't use ghostwriters anymore then maybe she don't but I think she said that Biggie used to help her on her 1st album but it was probably just on a couple of songs, I don't really like her content regardless to who writes them but that's just my opinion, I agree that Cassidy is a better mc than Kanye, he just needs content, he got a nice flow, Kanye can't flow...

http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/8017 Wednesday - December 14, 2005 by Rebecca A. Murphy Hip-Hop clothing line LRG has enlisted Swizz Beatz and DJ Jazzy Jeff, among others, for a New York City photo shoot today (December 14) to promote the upcoming Spring '06 line. "The Color of the Season: 1st Annual Jive Turkey Jump Off" exclusive photo shoot campaign and party will also feature Kanye West protégé GLC, comedian Charlie Murphy and Hip-Hop photographer Johnny Nunez. The event will be filmed by video directors Coodie and Chike, and feature music provided by New York's DJ Elle and Sirius Satellite Radio. The campaign will be shot by high-profile photographer Kareem Black, known for his work in magazines such as GQ, Flaunt, and The Fader.

Kanye's probably the closest thing to an mc for the radio listeners since the likes of Lil' Kim and 50 Cent dominate airwaves, I didn't wanna go on that rant like that, he's aight, but to put him in the same sentence as Pac is disgusting and disrespecful that's all I gotta say about that, especially since he uses criticising Bush as a crutch to sell records and get awards or else he'll cry out racist for that too, lol. There's no way he could measure up to the likes of Guru, Mad Skillz, Hieroglyphics, AZ, MF Doom, De La Soul, etc, stop listening to that emptv crap so much and open your mind for hip-hop before you call Kanye the greatest mc since Pac....

If Lil' Kim don't use ghostwriters, what about this then? This is a legit article, not what somebody made up in a forum, you can't find any articles saying that Queen Latifah had ghostwriters: http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/7022 I guess even those like LL, Jay-Z, Will, Kanye, and Run-Dmc might get help from time to time but basically everything Lil' Kim has done has been ghostwritten, for The Source to give her new album 5 mics like Nas' "Illmatic" is a complete disgrace to hip-hop...

"Lost and Found" did get some moderate respect, but I guess the only way Will's gonna sell millions again if he turns into an egotistical/foul mouth rapper like everyone in the rap game seems to be now who appeal to their fans who're also foul mouthed and egotistical, lol.