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Will has plenty of time to record right now, he needs to quit partying with losers like TO and 50 and get in the studio with Jeff and start recording this album! :pony:

What about Wyclef? I like the messages in his lyrics even though it ain't always hip-hop, very versatile to say the least, a real artist in this industry of fakes...

FP, Chuck D, Heavy D, LL, Queen Latifah, Treach, and Kel Spencer if he actually puts something out, lol

"Fresh Prince was hot, the movies killed him...", maybe if "Code Red" sold 3 million maybe he wouldn't have so many blockbuster movies today... :paperbag:

kanye's the best since pac?!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :jusmindyabizness: you must not listen to much hip-hop to say that, RhymeFest wrote his biggest hit, kanye ain't an mc either, he don't deserve to get any grammy nominations, just 'cause he's better than 50 doesn't mean he's the best of all time, big deal, i think everybody on this board is better than 50, a real mc don't complain about not winning awards...

JJFP are bubblegum pioneers??!!!! :stars:

What Eminem has done the last 5 years ain't mc'ing, he's an emptv rapper... Ice Cube's one of the most aggressive mcs ever but hopefully working with Lil' Jon don't turn him into a pop rap gimmick... Big Pun's aight, there's plenty I'd name before him, his lyrics are aight but his flow is the most impressive about him... btw, Lerkot what happened to your best MC poll you were doing?

Bull**** Queen Latifah writes her lyrics, that's like those who say Will doesn't write his lyrics, she could rip mostly any mc in the game in a battle, male or female, she's one of the GOATs, she needs to stop doing movies and reclaim her throne as the queen of the rap game. LL Cool J wrote some rhymes for Run-DMC back in the days I believe on their 1st album, only a couple songs though, they wrote basically all their big hits... Biggie wrote Lil' Kim's lyrics when she came out and she still uses ghostwriters, no subject matter whatsoever, one of the worst ever, Will might as well do a song with 50 Cent if he's gonna do a track with her, Will probably wrote Lil' Kim's verse on "Da Butta", lol... Now am I the only one who considers KRS-ONE a great lyricist? His lyrics have stood the test of time, 13 albums deep and still going strong...

You don't hear about people booing JJFP off the stage the way they boo wack performers like Eminem and 50 Cent...

Will knows deep down that a lot of the fans are "lost" to forget about his music career, he wouldn't say that 'cause that'd alienate fans to not wanna see his films, at least people appreciate him for something after 20 years while many of his peers have been forgotten by today's generation, most people know Will as an actor these days but they probably won't know who Slick Rick is either, I'm talking about the generation under 30 especially. I remember back to high school and ask them if they heard "Born To Reign" they'd tell me that they didn't hear it but they did go to "MIBII" for instance, go to the movie theatre and ask peeps you sit wit watchin' his flick about his music and they won't know nothin' or think that "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" was his only song he did. A lot of them over 30 might remember Will as an mc but they don't listen to rap anymore, they'll see his movies though... Back to the point, as bad as we hate Columbia at least they allowed him to release "Just The Two Of Us" which is one of Will's most meaningful songs so if Interscope don't release "Tell Me Why" that'd be foul 'cause that song really meant a lot to him! :thumbdown:

F*** Owens, he ruined the Eagles season! :bat: Will Smith is a linebacker on the Saints now, that's what he's doing now that he ain't shooting any films or albums, he was playing last night so he couldn't attend! :rofl: :kekeke:

This is what KRS said about why he dissed Nelly: http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/3573 Anyways, you can't blame Will, Interscope, or Columbia for the reason why his movie career has overshadowed his rap career and has started the image of him being an actor who occasionally raps, more people choose to go to his movies than buy his albums, blame them if you want to, lol, it actually helped "Big Willie Style" out to have such high sales and resurrect his dead career after "Code Red" flopped badly, he'd be out of the spotlight altogether if "Bad Boys"/"Independence Day" flopped, but those fans from "Big Willie Style" abandoned him too, the ol' school JJFP fans abandon him too, Will doesn't have a loyal fanbase in rapping, they're on the Eminem/50 Cent bandwagon now but they do go to his movies and say he should quit rapping. I mean come on now if Will's worst 'Wild Wild West' film could hit #1, why couldn't Will's worst album "Born To Reign" go platinum at least, is that too much to ask? If Will had a time machine he'd probably go back and not do that movie and maybe release "Willenium" earlier than when he did and spent time to battle Eminem right then and there, coulda shoulda woulda, can't go back in time. Will does listen to the fans, millions of them want him to do another movie, while only a few like us want him to do more albums, he's trying to give the people what they want, if his albums kept doing high numbers and his movies flopped then maybe he'd do less films and more tours, simple as that, he wouldn't have directors begging for him to do films like he does now, he'll be offered less roles, only way for Will to quit acting is if people don't go to his films anymore. If his movies flopped he would be known as a rapper who does movies on the side like LL and if LL starts have #1 movies like Will does people won't look at him as a rapper anymore either...

Hey Jim man Will could've released an album in '03 but it'd have to be on an independent label 'cause he didn't have no major label offer him a deal for his new album since Columbia dropped him, remember? You're complaining about how bad sales are now but how'd feel if Will'd only sell 60,000 at most if he released "Lost and Found" on Koch? LL could release albums anytime he wants 'cause he has a contract that don't expire on Def Jam but Will gets short term deals and he has to shop around for a label, he's getting older by the minute so finding a label'll be the hardest thing to do after awhile. You gotta think about it he faces criticism each time he raps since he doesn't rap that gangsta stuff, he might not be happy doing it after awhile, he don't receive that type of critcism for doing movies, he justs wants to be appreciated for what he's doing, it ain't about money, that's all. How'd feel if constantly people criticise you for what you do, would it be fun to come to work everyday and have to fight with people constantly? Think about it, label execs, rap critics, fans, etc. have all taken shots at Will every time he gets on the mic with his positive lyrics, so that might not be fun to constantly face criticism, his rap peers seem to respect him so I don't really seing anybody dissin' him from that perspective. Basically only Eminem might diss Will and he ain't going after Will now 'cause he knows that Will's friends with Snoop and 50 so I think that beef's dead, nobody takes Bow Wow seriously, so if Will starts attacking other rappers he's gonna look selfish like 50 Cent and Em by just starting controversy to sell records. Even if he dissed Eminem on that album relased on Koch it still wouldn't matter for sales, it'd be like when KRS dissed Nelly when he was on Koch, radio doesn't play him anyway so they didn't play the Nelly diss and kept playing Nelly all the time so KRS was blackballed out of the contest, the same thing would happen to Will, Eminem would still sell millions while Will'd only be selling a few thousand but hey as long as Will drops every year, you'd be happy with him selling a few thousand right? Yeah the people who talk about how Rakim could basically beat any rapper out now 'cause of what he did 10-15 years ago, not about what he's doing recently since he ain't doing anything, and they say that LL and Will are washed up when they release albums, it's like from their theory they could've stopped 10 years ago and maybe they'd be getting more props than what they've gotten recently, maybe hanging on too long might hurt them?!!! Will used to face criticism for being too soft, now he's gonna start facing criticism for being too old, lol. That's why Jay-Z might be retiring now while he's on top I guess, if he releases albums 10 years from now people'll might call him washed up like LL...

LL has signed a deal to do 9 movies, he acts too btw but people don't care for his movies like they do for his albums so he finds his way back to music a lil' faster, I wish that one of Will's movies would flop so he could release albums every 2 years instead of 3 like he does now, and LL's actually only on his 11th album. "All World" is his greatest hits album, if we count JJFP's greatest hits Will's done 10, how many others who came out arond when they did have done as many as them? Is Rakim, Dr. Dre, MC Hammer, Slick Rick, Queen Latifah, Run-DMC, Monie Love, MC Lyte, Salt-N-Pepa, Big Daddy Kane, and Ice Cube on their 10th album too? Hell No, you gotta put things in perspective, Will's only one of few who haven't slowed down yet. Public Enemy released their 10th album recently, I think that counts their greatest hits album, KRS has done about 13 which might also count his greatest hits, they're in their 40s too...

How about some love for the ladies? I think Queen Latifah, Lauryn Hill, Monie Love, Salt-N-Pepa and MC Lyte rank among the best lyricists, I think Jean Grae is off to a good start even though she ain't well known yet, we need more of them who got class and skill instead of all these tramps like Trina and Lil' Kim who make trashy porno raps...

Nas ain't wit Jay-Z now, I think all they did was perform together at a couple of shows, I'm not quite sure if Nas'll go to Def Jam, he still got one or two more albums on his Columbia deal, maybe a greatest hits album and The Lost Tapes 2'll end the deal for him to go somewhere else, we'll see what happens. I don't care where Nas goes as long as he keeps droppin' albums for me to buy, I care about artists not labels... I heard 50 was dissin' Nas on Funkmaster Flex a couple weeks ago and was sayin' that he'd be Jay-Z' slave if he goes to Def Jam and sayin' that Nas is soft for squashing beef with somebody who slept with his baby's mama, maybe he thinks that Jay might be setting Nas up... I don't know why Jay is having 50 on Freeway's album though, that sounds wack!

The thing is if Will and Em went on an all out battle, that'd really boosted "Lost and Found" sales, he might be at triple platinum right now, like somebody said on here most of those who bought "Lost and Found" when it came out was from the "Mr. Nice Guy" hype, if Will released that as a single when the album dropped it'd hit platinum the 1st month, battling really helps careers out, look at how much it kept LL and Nas relevant over the years, Will could've ended Em's career 'cause "Lost and Found" is more aggressive than anything Em's done in 5 years...

So what LL takes his shirt off everytime he performs, lol, I think a lot of people do the same routine all the time at their shows, I think Will should do more freestyles though definately, he needs to take time off from filming and release some mixtapes but let's be real not many 37 year old rappers even make albums anymore, Will could still write great songs like he could 20 years ago so I don't see why he can't still drop some great freestyles like he did then, he just needs to put more time into that, that's all...

Well you could say that Will's like Rickey Henderson where he coulda retired 10 years ago and still be known as a hall of famer but he's still doing it for the love of the game even though people want him to retire...

Jay makes some deep songs but I don't think any of his songs blow my mind away like "One Mic" just like Nas makes club songs but he can't make a club anthem like "Big Pimpin'", you can't tell that he was out of character in doing "You Owe Me", that's not his style, Jay's got more of a commercial friendly vibe, he knows how to get the most potential out of it. Not to mention that Jay uses only big name producers now while Nas uses LES even though he ain't a household name, if Nas had Kanye and Pharrell produce "Street's Disciple" woulda went triple platinum while Jay-Z wouldn't go platinum if LES produced him, I'm gonna be real man if LL didn't have Timbaland and Pharrell produce his last 2 albums he'd probably only be doing KRS numbers. Jay was a deeper lyricist back on "Reasonable Doubt" which is his lowest selling album ironically but then he started doing flashier songs and became popular, people did question his credability, he needed that Nas battle for credability as much as Nas did to get popularity, hip-hop heads were saying that Jay was sounding too commercial on "Volume 3" and "Dynasty" album, him going after Nas proved that he was going for credability since he knows Nas is more credible than him, that was a a smart move on his part, both benefitted from the battle of wits, the best battle of the decade so far. Speaking of "Dynasty" album, he says something on "Change The Game" about how he still spits the real s*** and sells more records than Will Smith, I always wondered is that a diss to Will? Did anybody ever ask Jay about that line? Even though Jay-Z didn't win the battle with Nas he came the closest to win, no other commercial rapper could compete with Nas on the mic, Nas could use leftover rhymes to beat 50 Cent, "Body YaSelf" was weak for Nas standards but 50 still can't respond to that, Nas actually had to bring his best for Jay-Z to win.

The reason why the Nas-Jay-Z battle was a close call in voting is 'cause Jay-Z has much more fans than Nas does, the fact that even some of Jay-Z' fans would admit to you that Nas won proves that Nas won the battle, Nas' fanbase grew a lot from that, the only reason why Jay-Z still has fans is 'cause he makes flashy videos and catchy songs for the radio but I must admit he does it better than the others that do it, he's benefitting with G Unit on top of the commercial rap world with no skills who wouldn't have a deal 15 years ago 'cause compared to them he looks like the best rapper ever, he's more like the best rapper on the radio, like I said before Jay-Z is good at making popular albums but doesn't really make deep lyrics, Nas makes deep lyrics but he doesn't make popular albums, both do their thing but they're different artists. How could Jaz-O say that LL calls himself an actor and not an MC though?

You can't compare to what Jaz-O said about Jay-Z to what Melle Mel said about KRS-ONE 'cause Jaz-O and Jay-Z are always beefin', KRS and Melle have never beefed, KRS always gives credit to Melle for inspiring him to do conscious songs thanks to "The Message" so I don't know what'd make Melle say that about KRS, people rank KRS ahead of Melle 'cause he put in a lot more work over the last 20 years than any rapper, Melle hasn't really done anything in over a decade. Now in the situation between Jaz and Jigga, they've been taking shots at each other for years, he didn't really say too much to put down Jigga in that interview, he does acknowledge that he has talent but didn't Jay-Z say in a song that "I'm not paying Jaz' wack ass"?Maybe that refers to Jaz asking for credit on the song he helped write for Jay-Z with Beyonce. He was actually dissin' other rappers more if you'd read that interview, rappers that kiss ass get ahead the most, I don't know why he'd diss Nas for squashing the beef with Jigga for, does he think that they should beef forever? I do think that Jigga does use too many Biggie references in his rhymes though, it's ridiculous, I mean why can't he just give him props in the album credits or interviews, why does he gotta do it in half of his songs? Maybe I'd respect him more if he gave Will a shout out on a song, lol. As much as some of y'all might say Jay-Z' so great but he wouldn't be in the game without Jaz-O just like Pac wouldn't have been in the game without Shock G, Jaz-O deserves some respect for that.

Well Will's probably happy in the sense that "Lost and Found" got nice reviews, he's probably dissapointed that it didn't get nominated for a grammy, maybe he should take the Kanye approach and raise hell that they nominated 50 Cent instead of him, Interscope might drop him anyway so he might as well speak up and go out fighting! :pony: Seriously though if Interscope drops Will we might not get another album for another 3 or 4 years 'cause it took almost 2 years for Will to get Interscope to sign him after Columbia dropped him, he might have to start dropping albums on Koch but as long as he don't retire I don't care where he drops his album, as long as he don't sell his soul to G Unit...

Pat Riley becomes Heat coach again, Stan Van Gundy resigns...

I can't imagine him being happy if Interscope chooses not to release "Tell Me Why", he's probably also frustrated that rappers who released 2 or 3 albums get more credit than he has gotten on his 9 albums, that means more to him than money and fame, that goes back to when Will wasa on "Rap City" 5 years ago and people questioned why'd he be so upset about not getting more respect when he's sold millions of albums and has lots of awards or now when people ask why does he keep releasing albums instead of just trying to keep on being the boxoffice king in Hollywood, but I think he'd be happier if his albums sold less and got more critical acclaim than what they've gotten 'cause he put a lot of work into his craft over the years. He talked about that too when he did "Ali", he didn't care if it did high boxoffice numbers as long as it got critical acclaim 'cause he put a lot of work into that even a lot of his own money was thrown into make that production for that film, I could feel his pain, it's real man... Come on now if he turns down $20 million to shoot a film to shoot an album making less than a $1 million most likely since most only make a few cents each sold(30-60 cents X 650,000) from releasing "Lost and Found", he obviously loves hip-hop, mostly anybody would've chose the movie and said f*** making another album, Will obviously loves hip-hop but hip-hop don't seem to love him though, he could've easily stopped rapping after "Code Red" if he was just in it for the money, all the hate he's received he might as well just go after the money, lol, damn!