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So what LL takes his shirt off everytime he performs, lol, I think a lot of people do the same routine all the time at their shows, I think Will should do more freestyles though definately, he needs to take time off from filming and release some mixtapes but let's be real not many 37 year old rappers even make albums anymore, Will could still write great songs like he could 20 years ago so I don't see why he can't still drop some great freestyles like he did then, he just needs to put more time into that, that's all...

Well you could say that Will's like Rickey Henderson where he coulda retired 10 years ago and still be known as a hall of famer but he's still doing it for the love of the game even though people want him to retire...

Jay makes some deep songs but I don't think any of his songs blow my mind away like "One Mic" just like Nas makes club songs but he can't make a club anthem like "Big Pimpin'", you can't tell that he was out of character in doing "You Owe Me", that's not his style, Jay's got more of a commercial friendly vibe, he knows how to get the most potential out of it. Not to mention that Jay uses only big name producers now while Nas uses LES even though he ain't a household name, if Nas had Kanye and Pharrell produce "Street's Disciple" woulda went triple platinum while Jay-Z wouldn't go platinum if LES produced him, I'm gonna be real man if LL didn't have Timbaland and Pharrell produce his last 2 albums he'd probably only be doing KRS numbers. Jay was a deeper lyricist back on "Reasonable Doubt" which is his lowest selling album ironically but then he started doing flashier songs and became popular, people did question his credability, he needed that Nas battle for credability as much as Nas did to get popularity, hip-hop heads were saying that Jay was sounding too commercial on "Volume 3" and "Dynasty" album, him going after Nas proved that he was going for credability since he knows Nas is more credible than him, that was a a smart move on his part, both benefitted from the battle of wits, the best battle of the decade so far. Speaking of "Dynasty" album, he says something on "Change The Game" about how he still spits the real s*** and sells more records than Will Smith, I always wondered is that a diss to Will? Did anybody ever ask Jay about that line? Even though Jay-Z didn't win the battle with Nas he came the closest to win, no other commercial rapper could compete with Nas on the mic, Nas could use leftover rhymes to beat 50 Cent, "Body YaSelf" was weak for Nas standards but 50 still can't respond to that, Nas actually had to bring his best for Jay-Z to win.

The reason why the Nas-Jay-Z battle was a close call in voting is 'cause Jay-Z has much more fans than Nas does, the fact that even some of Jay-Z' fans would admit to you that Nas won proves that Nas won the battle, Nas' fanbase grew a lot from that, the only reason why Jay-Z still has fans is 'cause he makes flashy videos and catchy songs for the radio but I must admit he does it better than the others that do it, he's benefitting with G Unit on top of the commercial rap world with no skills who wouldn't have a deal 15 years ago 'cause compared to them he looks like the best rapper ever, he's more like the best rapper on the radio, like I said before Jay-Z is good at making popular albums but doesn't really make deep lyrics, Nas makes deep lyrics but he doesn't make popular albums, both do their thing but they're different artists. How could Jaz-O say that LL calls himself an actor and not an MC though?

You can't compare to what Jaz-O said about Jay-Z to what Melle Mel said about KRS-ONE 'cause Jaz-O and Jay-Z are always beefin', KRS and Melle have never beefed, KRS always gives credit to Melle for inspiring him to do conscious songs thanks to "The Message" so I don't know what'd make Melle say that about KRS, people rank KRS ahead of Melle 'cause he put in a lot more work over the last 20 years than any rapper, Melle hasn't really done anything in over a decade. Now in the situation between Jaz and Jigga, they've been taking shots at each other for years, he didn't really say too much to put down Jigga in that interview, he does acknowledge that he has talent but didn't Jay-Z say in a song that "I'm not paying Jaz' wack ass"?Maybe that refers to Jaz asking for credit on the song he helped write for Jay-Z with Beyonce. He was actually dissin' other rappers more if you'd read that interview, rappers that kiss ass get ahead the most, I don't know why he'd diss Nas for squashing the beef with Jigga for, does he think that they should beef forever? I do think that Jigga does use too many Biggie references in his rhymes though, it's ridiculous, I mean why can't he just give him props in the album credits or interviews, why does he gotta do it in half of his songs? Maybe I'd respect him more if he gave Will a shout out on a song, lol. As much as some of y'all might say Jay-Z' so great but he wouldn't be in the game without Jaz-O just like Pac wouldn't have been in the game without Shock G, Jaz-O deserves some respect for that.

Well Will's probably happy in the sense that "Lost and Found" got nice reviews, he's probably dissapointed that it didn't get nominated for a grammy, maybe he should take the Kanye approach and raise hell that they nominated 50 Cent instead of him, Interscope might drop him anyway so he might as well speak up and go out fighting! :pony: Seriously though if Interscope drops Will we might not get another album for another 3 or 4 years 'cause it took almost 2 years for Will to get Interscope to sign him after Columbia dropped him, he might have to start dropping albums on Koch but as long as he don't retire I don't care where he drops his album, as long as he don't sell his soul to G Unit...

Pat Riley becomes Heat coach again, Stan Van Gundy resigns...

I can't imagine him being happy if Interscope chooses not to release "Tell Me Why", he's probably also frustrated that rappers who released 2 or 3 albums get more credit than he has gotten on his 9 albums, that means more to him than money and fame, that goes back to when Will wasa on "Rap City" 5 years ago and people questioned why'd he be so upset about not getting more respect when he's sold millions of albums and has lots of awards or now when people ask why does he keep releasing albums instead of just trying to keep on being the boxoffice king in Hollywood, but I think he'd be happier if his albums sold less and got more critical acclaim than what they've gotten 'cause he put a lot of work into his craft over the years. He talked about that too when he did "Ali", he didn't care if it did high boxoffice numbers as long as it got critical acclaim 'cause he put a lot of work into that even a lot of his own money was thrown into make that production for that film, I could feel his pain, it's real man... Come on now if he turns down $20 million to shoot a film to shoot an album making less than a $1 million most likely since most only make a few cents each sold(30-60 cents X 650,000) from releasing "Lost and Found", he obviously loves hip-hop, mostly anybody would've chose the movie and said f*** making another album, Will obviously loves hip-hop but hip-hop don't seem to love him though, he could've easily stopped rapping after "Code Red" if he was just in it for the money, all the hate he's received he might as well just go after the money, lol, damn!

Yeah Jaz-O does seem to sound a lil' bitter and overconceited there, some of the things he said about the rap game is true and Jay-Z is a biter but for him to also say that he could beat Melle Mel, Outkast, and LL Cool J in a battle then everything he says before in that interview loses credability, he probably wants to start a battle to resurrect his dead career, that's a gimmick too. :thumbdown:

Jaz-O basically murdered Jay-Z on every track they did together, he got a sick flow, I'd actually wanna hear more stuff out from him, basically I just heard him on songs he did with Jay-Z, he made Jay-Z as big as he is today by teaching him how to write songs, Jay-Z shouldn't diss him ever. What's up with Jaz-O saying that Big Daddy Kane and LL bit off of him though? :hmm:

Now I think he was giving praise to Will's accomplishments but also criticised Will for being egotistical by going on "Rap City" talking about how great he is, saying that Will has insecurties even though he has all the fame already. He was taking shots about Dr. Dre's credability for using ghostwriters and making rhymes for a life he don't live anymore and Jay-Z for talking about how he gracefully bows out in a song but in reality he was arrested for gun possession, it sounds like this person doesn't like rap too much, lol.

Jay-Z bites off a lot of people so this ain't really a shock to me, that's why I could never consider him one of the greatest mcs but basically nobody out now is original anyway so that's why people consider Jay-Z the best now but I dare wouldn't put him in the same sentence as a Rakim. People with short term memories about the rap history would though like Jaz-O implies when people talk about great 50 is when he's just a poser and that wack "Laffy Taffy" getting lots of airplay, most of them rappers today shouldn't have record deals they're so unoriginal, a bunch of corporate gimmicks, I could feel what Jaz-O says there, real talk. I personally wish Will'd call out more of these fake rappers like this when he's interviewed, somebody has to knock them out the game to bring the artistry back...

If you read the credits for "Chronic 2001" you'd see that Scott Storch, Melle Man, and Lord Finesse among others produced tracks on there, he basically hires a bunch of producers to produce tracks for him since he started his Aftermath label, basically "California Love" was the last track he produced on his own. Eminem produces most of his own tracks now. I'd say that if Dre don't write his rhymes or produce his tracks there's no way he could be the best producer on the mic like people say he is or call him the Quincy Jones of hip-hop, that title should go out to Pete Rock or Diamond D when it comes to best producer on the mic since they write all their songs, produce all their tracks and would kill Dr. Dre in a freestyle battle, before Dr. Dre should diss Will he should put in some more work.

Well I'd have no idea since I didn't listen to Cassidy's album but I guess he's doing the same thing that Will did when he was on Westwood by just rapping his songs, I thought he was in jail still...

Thanks for sharing your experience wit us, I'm happy for you! :2thumbs: :yeah:

The NFL's doing the same thing now too sorta since that Janet Jackson incident they're probably not gonna have any artists from the hip-hop generation perform at the Super Bowls for a while, it's unfair how one single incident like that makes everyone look bad, it's unfair, only those who do it should be punished, not everyone...

Damn I'd love to seen that episode, sounded entertaining to say the least, here's the part about Will: Rap Royalty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Will Smith, Dr. Dre, and Jay-Z By Jon Caramanica JANUARY 24, 2000: Will Smith, bless his non-ironic soul, is always good for those jolt-into-reality moments that too much criticism, alas, can inure you to. Twice in the past two weeks, Big Willie's taken to the small screen and demonstrated just how far rap, and he along with it, has come this decade. Or not. First, during the millennium celebration at the White House, Will burst forth with good cheer so infectious -- it was, after all, the dawn of the new Willennium -- that even the other Big Willie (Clinton, that is) was seen to be raising the roof alongside the Fresh Prince with childish, miscegenatory glee. Just 10 days later, Will dropped the toothy grin for an oddball appearance on BET's Rap City, typically the purview of artists more thuggy than he. With a gold nameplate chain dangled loosely around his neck (didn't see that one in the Vanity Fair shoot), he attempted to reclaim his post in the rap pantheon -- or, more to the point, carve one out. "Name anyone and I'll take them out," he boasted (or something to that effect). "Let's talk lyrics, flow, personality. I'll take on anyone!" The ravings of a madman, practically, but a far better clue to Will's heart than his making a race traitor of the commander-in-chief. Respect -- is that too much to ask? I mean, four platinum albums and as many Grammys -- what more does it take? It seems that ever since Will started talking about running for president, no one takes him seriously as a rapper. Or maybe it's since he tangled with extraterrestrials in not one but two summer blockbusters. Or since he started wonking about whupping Mike Tyson's ass. Whatever the genesis, releasing albums like Willennium (Columbia) isn't helping his cause. Smith's second album as a soloist, following a lengthy ride as the warm and fuzzy Fresh Prince, sees his rapping persona stripped of all pretensions to the authenticity that he appears to crave and that other rappers wear like tattoos or easily secreted firearms. As the Fresh Prince, Will at least bore some of the traditional marks of the so-called real -- fly gear, braggadocio rhymes. All worn, of course, through a distinctly suburban, middle-class filter. As the Rap City outburst demonstrates, however, there's the fire of a samurai lurking beneath that mild-mannered exterior. He sets out to prove it from jump, practically screaming "I'm coming! I'm coming! You can't stop me!" on the chorus to Willennium's opener. Yet what Will apparently fails to grasp is that in every braggart lies a heart of insecurity -- it's easier to side with someone whose confidence is earned through battle scars. When Will raps about his Bentley, it sounds more like a privilege than a luxury. "Heard you screaming about cream in your rap, kid," he taunts on "Freakin' It," slaying with the proclamation, "Yo, my last check for Wild Wild West came on a flatbed." Maybe he's just indignant, but he's looking for love in all the wrong places

I heard this on the radio a few days ago, this is another street banger, I'm hyped for this album already!! :bowdown:

RIP to the GOAT comedian!

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:word: It takes him 7 years to release an album and the rhymes ain't even his, that's embarassing! :paperbag:

Dr. Dre has been using ghostproducers on mostly everything he's done after "The Chronic"...

I doubt that Kanye's gonna retire after that album, mostly everybody says they're gonna retire and they come back, lol. Dr. Dre was saying that around the time "2001" dropped and also had that skit with Eminem in "Forgot About Dre" probably based on Will's comments at the MTV Awards that year in '99 and the comments Will made in "Freakin' It", they took Will's comments too seriously 'cause he wasn't dissin' them directly, Dr. Dre could've said nothin' and maybe Jazzy Jeff would be ghostproducin' beats for him now, lol.

Nas is like LL Cool J where a lot of rappers say they want to collab with him, he's quite respected in the rap industry.

Well that'd be realistic before Nas and Jay-Z squashed their beef 'cause Nas was talking in an interview about joining Atlantic records. That's where Fat Joe is now and Ja Rule is going now that he's leaving Def Jam, but now there's rumors with Nas is gonna go to Def Jam to do an album with Jay-Z, we'll have to see what happens, a collabo album'd shake up the rap game...