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If Will wants to be a team player and a "big brother" in the rap game he shouldn't criticise rappers at all 'cause that'd bring mixed signals, I mean some of Will's fans might like gangsta rap since everybody has different tastes, that could alienate fans doing that, doing those type of songs like "Lost and Found" and "Mr. Nice Guy" go against what he's about, he doesn't criticise other people so openly like that usually, he should just do his thing and sell records and let other people do their thing too even if they criticise him 'cause like he once said: "I retaliate by being great" but songs like "Lost and Found" and "Mr. Nice Guy" shows that he's stooping down to their level.

fan4ever already posted this man...

Look I personally don't care if Will's friends with 50 like I said earlier and I don't mind if Will says that Eminem has "mad skills" but he shouldn't criticise the state of the rap game in his songs, maybe he only cares about that 'cause "Born To Reign" was a flop, if he was selling millions of albums still he probably wouldn't make "Mr. Nice Guy" or "Lost and Found" songs. I ain't callin' him soft but I'm saying he's giving fuel for haters to call him soft 'cause he criticises rappers for polluting the youth and then he gives them props and then he wonders why people diss him?! It's gonna be harder to defend Will after awhile 'cause he's doing things like this, but hey everybody contradicts themselves I guess... :hmm:

Pratically that whole song "Lost and Found" is a diss to gangsta rappers, what's the point of doing those type of songs if you're gonna turn around to give those same people you dissed props? That's actually just as fake as somebody rapping about shooting guns when they don't even own guns in real life, Will shouldn't have done "Mr. Nice Guy" either if he was gonna give props to Eminem at the same time, he's making himself look foolish, I guess Will just said that he had somethin' for Em only to gain buzz for his album sales, he must really hang out with 50 then 'cause that's a publicity stunt to sell more records when in reality he didn't diss Em and comes off lookin' like a soft punk when people were expecting him to really come hard at Em, especially since he was responding 5 years later, he loses integrity by kissing up to somebody just 'cause they have higher record sales than him, he won't get any more credability in hip-hop than those wack mcs if he does that, he should "Don't Say Nothin" like he says in his song if he don't really mean it! He might as well just jump on the G Unit bandwagon so he could sell more records if he loves gangsta rap that much.

You wouldn't consider calling someone's music brilliant and honest a compliment? :hmm: Will should just stop dissin' what other rappers are doing and just do fun storytelling tracks with Jazzy Jeff instead 'cause haters'll diss Will for dissin' gangsta rappers one minute then praising them the next. Deep down I thought it was also stupid that Will was saying that Em has "mad skills" when he said that he was gonna make a song to set Eminem straight, I got a lot of respect for Will but this is one thing I just don't get, real talk since I'm not being a Loretta.

Kanye West and Common should've been nominated with their albums along with Will's "Lost and Found" being the winner, which were truely the best albums this year but at least Will won one award, I don't even think Common and Kanye got nominated in anything which is shocking to me, I figured they'd have a better chance of winning than Will would realistically.

That's one thing I don't get though is that Will disses gangsta rap and then he turns around to give the gangsta rappers props like that, I could see him giving Pac and Biggie props but what subject matter has 50 released to be considered a dope mc? I don't see him doing no songs like "Brenda's Got A Baby" or "Juicy", that's like when KRS disses rappers on the commercial scene for putting out negative messages and gimmicks to sell millions of albums but then he gives props to Eminem, I mean I thought Eminem is the one who puts out the negative messages and gimmicks to sell millions of albums ruining the art of hip-hop at the same time, if Eminem's not doing that then who is? People could call them hypocritical for dissin' gimmick rappers then giving them props but I guess beefin' wit them won't solve anything either. Anyways, where was Jazzy Jeff at last night? I didn't see him there, he should've celebrated with Will, JJFP better perform at the Grammy's!

Jimmy Iovine's probably aware that Will's relevant enough to release another single since he won that award, we might even get a 10th album from him in 2006 as well! :word: :yeah:

Yeah it ain't like 50 ever dissed Will or anything like that, maybe 50's not really a bad person in real life, his music isn't taken serious as reality anyway...

50's ignorant but I doubt he'd be that ignorant to diss Will, he recognises who the "Chosen One" is!

Will could be friends with 50 if he wants to, I have no problem with that, he could give 50 lessons so he could become a better mc. :kekeke:

Let me rephrase on what I said the other day: Will Smith is the king of pop, he's "Born To Reign", 50 can't unseat the throne! :2thumbs:

It's amazing that Will was able to win this award without so many big name guest appearances on the album, in fact Snoop and Luda didn't win anything either so that shows you how relevant Will still is!

Yeah Will's definately one of the greatest entertainers of all time, one of a kind! :word:

I voted! :2thumbs:

I found the list of all the winners: Winners at the American Music Awards Winners at the 33rd annual American Music Awards: _ Pop-Rock: Male artist: Will Smith Female artist: Gwen Stefani Band, duo or group: The Black Eyed Peas Album: "American Idiot," Green Day _ Soul-R&B: Male artist: R. Kelly Female artist: Mariah Carey Band, duo or group: Destiny's Child Album: "Destiny Fulfilled," Destiny's Child _ Country: Male artist: Tim McGraw Female artist: Gretchen Wilson Band, duo or group: Brooks & Dunn Album: "Live Like You Were Dying," Tim McGraw _ Rap/Hip-Hop: Male artist: Eminem Female artist: Missy Elliott Band, duo or group: The Black Eyed Peas Album: "The Massacre," 50 Cent _ Adult Contemporary: Artist: Kelly Clarkson _ Latin Music: Artist: Shakira _ Alternative Music: Artist: Green Day _ Breakthrough: New artist: Sugarland T-Mobile Text-In Award (voted by public): Kelly Clarkson

Ever since the sampler machine came out in the 80s, basically every song in hip-hop music is sampled, Dr. Dre samples, Jazzy Jeff samples, Kanye West samples, KRS-ONE samples, etc... "Born To Reign" is most likely his biggest dissapointment, I think he probably shelved Tra-Knox's album after that. "And In This Corner..." was another dissapointment in his music career so it's probably that one although I think it's a solid album too, "Code Red" was also a flop too that many critics and fans dissed commercially but Will says he likes that one though since he knows that's probably his most street cred album he released, I think "He's The DJ.." is probably his favorite one, that's what Jazzy Jeff said on his board that he enjoyed working on that one the most.

Basically every commercial rapper has ultimatums though, especially these days but even some ol' school rappers did it too back in the days where you have to, I'm sure that even Flava Flav sporting his clock and dancing around helped Public Enemy sell more albums. If the Black Eyed Peas were doing "Big Pimpin'" with Jay-Z or "It's All About The Benjamins" with Diddy they'd have more street credibility too then they have now but what'd be the difference? Those type of songs don't have no substance either so I find it retarded that those people could diss Black Eyed Peas and call them sellouts for that, black radio would play "Switch" if Jay-Z did it too. This point is brought up quite a few times on hip-hop forums, either you keep it real and be underground forever or you commercialise your style to be more known, everybody with a hit record in hip-hop has done it, name me somebody that gone platinum that hasn't? We complain about Will not selling that much on "Lost and Found" but do you want another commercial sounding album like "Big Willie Style" so it can? Trackmasters are a bigger brand name than Freshman, if some underground producer produced LL's recent albums instead of Timbaland or Neptunes, he wouldn't sell much anymore either. That's what it takes unfortunately, I mean Common would never be getting recognition from the media like he has now if Kanye West didn't produce his entire album for him either. If Rev. Run had Diddy produce his album for him he'd go platinum too but he doesn't so nobody buys it. Some of those so-called conscious rappers contradict themselves too so they end up looking like bigger sellouts than those who do who dumb down their lyrics or style. Will.I.Am is right if you only roll with a few people in the game then you'll have street credability from the media. That's why people hate on JJFP too 'cause they don't work with everybody that's hot in the game at the moment, you gotta give respect to them trying to do their own thing even if you hate them, they don't need to ride Jay-Z' d*** to sell records like most rappers have to do. Has 50 Cent or Nelly released a song like "Where's The Love" anyway? Have they worked with James Brown? I don't think so, I might not listen to them but how can I hate on somebody that James Brown respects. It's good to know too that the millions of kids who buy Black Eyed Pea albums would get to know who James Brown is, you can't say that about those who buy a 50 Cent record. If the Black Eyed Peas had Beyonce instead of Fergie, nobody would say they were just pop even if the songs sounds the same. There are wack mcs on the underground too just like on the commercial scene, not everybody is dope on the underground and not everyone on the mainstream is wack either. MC Hammer is a legend just like Rakim too btw like Will.I.Am says, they both have their own styles, not many are great as a lyricist like Rakim and not many could rock a house the way Hammer does. I honestly would buy a Black Eyed Pea album over any of these fake gangstas anyday 'cause at least they ain't doing songs about killing people or drugs, hopefully once James Brown hears "Tell Me Why" he'll wanna cut a record with JJFP too.

Will knocked out 50 Cent! :pony: The champ is here, the champ is here, the champ is here, Will Smith is the people's champ!

This is great, I didn't see this coming! :mygod: :yeah:

I'm not really a Black Eyed Pea fan but I could respect what Will.I.Am is saying here, knowledge! :word: http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1245 Will.I.Am of BEP: The Big Payback By Adisa "The Bishop of Hip-Hop" Banjoko The Black Eyed Peas are large. Love them or hate 'em, BEP is on top. This crew went from being underground b-boyin' MC's to moving multi-platinum units and achieving multi-cultural success on several continents. In between all the hits these guys have been doing music for cartoons like Samurai Jack and Dexter's Laboratory, as well as major endorsement deals. Ironically, as underground champion, MF Doom is being praised for his successes, the Black Eyed Peas have been ostracized for theirs. Will.I.Am feels your scorn. He knows about it, and he speaks on it with AllHipHop.com. Between chilling with the Music Department at M.I.T. in Boston, Will keeps it funky - like his hero, James Brown. AllHipHop.com: Black Eyed Peas have a made party rocking a consistent theme in their music. A lot of MC's have forgotten that angle. What made you focus on it? Will: Because the era of Hip Hop that we are influenced by, from 1987 to 1994- that's what that era was about. From Shinehead, to Redhead Kingpin, to N.W.A., to Mix Master Spade, Big Daddy Kane, - that's the era that we come from. To me, that's when Hip-Hop was pure. AllHipHop.com: Did you expect Monkey Business to get the high acclaim that it has received? Will: Monkey Business, yeah. But Elephunk, no. The first two records I was just being creative - like, "Whatever." I was just happy to have a record deal. I was just felt blessed and was happy to tour. Honestly, we thought Elephunk was going to be our last record. So, we went into the studio like -Whatever we ever wanted to do on a record, let's do it now. Let's say everything we ever wanted to say. Because the world is f**ked up right now." So, we made a record called, "Where is the Love" around the time America was at its lowest point. America was at a tender, most sensitive time and we talked about the CIA and the KKK on the same record. It got played all over the place. We had a message-hit on Top 50 radio. We did not even plan to do that. If someone said, "Hey lets make a jam to get played all over the radio" I would never have said that. But it happened. It just totally opened my mind up to Monkey Business. was made on my laptop on airplanes. At the time, we were traveling the world on Elephunk. "Where is the Love", "Let's Get Retarded" and "Hey Mama" was huge all over the planet. We were doing shows in Vietnam, Lithuania, Brazil, Japan, South Korea, Philippines - all over the planet. I was thinkin' like "When are we gonna make a record? 'Cause if we keep touring, we'll never make a record." So I was doing it on the airplane, trying to feed the whole market at the same time. I wanna make an album that's gonna have songs that are relevant to every single country we are hitting at once. AllHipHop.com:: You have a unique way of bridging the old and the new school vibes. Like with the "Pump It Louder" chants and the "I wonder if I take you home baby," the Egyptian Lover basslines and stuff. Will: The "Pump It Louder" came actually from one of Hammer?s old groups 3-5-7. Remember that song "Juicy Got ?em Crazy"? AllHipHop.com: I live in the Bay, man. So I heard that all day. Folks was playin' that all the time in the Bay. Will: Hammer was killin' it back in the day. N***as can hate all they want. It was different. You were not supposed to compare him to Rakim. It was a totally different thing. It's like tyring to compare a Hummer to a Lamborghini. You can take a Lamborghini into the mountains and expect it to perform. This is a vehicle designed by Black people- Hip-Hop. N***as was trying to compare that to a Hummer. It ain't a Hummer dog, it's a Lamborghini- applaud it. Look how fast it goes! That's was wong with Hip-Hop right now. People don't understand its legacy and all the cars that it has. They keep trying to compare it to the same vehicle. It's like "No n***a, Hip-Hop ain't just a muthaf**kin' Ford Taurus. We got Jaguars, Cadillacs- it ain't just one f**king car!" AllHipHop.com: Tell me your greatest international Hip-Hop experience, and how all the traveling affects how you see Hip-Hop? Will: The biggest one is when we landed in the Philippines. When we get down, every news crew possible is there documenting the landing. We get off the airplane. and the news crews come and rush us. We get the hotel and turn on the TV. There is a four-hour special on Apple's life, and it ends with the crew's documenting of our landing. They were shooting till the moment we landed, and then went in and edited that footage in. The next day, we did a show in front of 30,000 people, and they have the army in front holding the people back with the President in the middle! Every time Apple goes back to the Philippines, there's a news crew. He's bigger than any government official in the Philippines. That's nutty. AllHipHop.com: It's real crazy to me how accelerated your careers moved. What has been the easiest and the hardest adjustments to make for you? Will: That hardest thing to adjust to, is the disrespect. We accomplishing a bunch of things. But, because nobody gave birth to us - Like, "Yo, we came from this camp, or that camp." Jay-Z, Puffy, Suge Knight did not put us on. We did not come from nobody. So, because a mega-figure did not put us on, it seems like nobody can really relate. That's been the hardest part for me as a Black person. BET and The Source only cover one style of Hip-Hop. The hardest part is Black people not being able to relate to another Black person who has done a lot globally. The easiest thing is all that bodyguard s**t! I don't need that stuff. AllHipHop.com: One of the things I liked about this album was that you had James Brown on there. I wish more rap artists would do more songs with him since his music plays a large part of Hip-Hop's foundation. It's like you and Afrika Bambaataa are the only ones! Will: Actually, a lot of rappers wanna work with James Brown. The thing is, he does not wanna work with them. We were in London at awards . I walked up to James Brown. I said, "Thank you for all that you did for Hip-Hop. You may not know it or realize it, but Hip-Hop would not be what it is, without it." So, I asked him the most daring question "You think we could do a song with you?" He said, "Send me a reference for what you want me to do, and I'll do it." So I go to the studio. James comes the next day with his whole crew. He pulls me aside and he says, "Ya know, Mr. Will, I don't got to work with nobody. But something tells me to work with the Black Eyed Peas. But I like how y'all do what y'all do. Y'all got the band. In Hip-Hop music you don't see enough of that." So, we started talking. I started talking to him about Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and Elijah Muhammad. He knew all of them personally. I mean there are not that many people that have seen as many things as he has seen back in the day that's still alive. I asked him what's the difference between Black America today and Black America back in the day. He said, "Black America today is fighting a fight that we fought. Y'all ain't got nothin' to fight about, and it shows in y'all music." That blew my mind. He said "I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write songs like, "Where is the Love". That's brave. But I don't work with nobody because I don't got to." We had to do a benefit in Los Angeles, I called him a week before to come perform and he showed up. His manager was like, "He does not do this for anybody. " AllHipHop.com: I also notice you got a track with Sting. I'm a serious Sting fan and I love "Englishman in New York." Talk to me about how that song came together. Will: I did two remixes for one of Sting's records. Apple was tellin' me, "Yo, I want to sample "Englishman in New York". I was like, "Really?" I asked , and he was like, "I'd love to." So, he flies out to Berlin and we record the song in Hitler's old studio for recording propaganda records. It's all the original equipment from when it was originally put in. So we recorded a song called "Union". It's weird because we're talking about the opposite of what Hitler was talking about- in the same studio. AllHipHop.com: What was it like to record in that room? Will: It was mad eerie. You don't understand how big this facility is. They gotta room as big as a basketball court- that's just filled with organ pipes and one organ. It's bigger than any basket ball gym. It's just got organ pipes and microphones in it. This facility is huge. A couple months ago and Fergie was singin' on the mic and I said, "What kind of mic is that?" The guy's like "This mic was made specifically for Hitler." AllHipHop.com: Wow. One thing is that y'all did a posse cut with Q-Tip, Talib Kweli, and some other raw dudes. I think your critics aren't hearing these songs. Tell me how that track was made. Will: Whoooo!! We just shot the video for that. We did that track on the internet. Talib was in Cincinnati, Cee-Lo was in Atlanta, John Legend was in D.C., I was in Los Angeles and Q-tip was in New York. It was all done with computers. AllHipHop.com: How did you feel when the song was done? Will: It reminded me of something from Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders. AllHipHop.com: If you could clarify one major misconception about the Black Eyed Peas right now- what would it be? Will: That the BEP is not Hip-Hop. BET don?t wanna own it. VIBE don?t wanna own it. Some try to make it seem like we are not Hip-Hop. But we are. 'Cause I'll battle any n***a in a freestyle. I'll take a lotta n***as out too!

A producer/mc in the hip-hop group Wu-Tang Clan. I read an issue of Vibe last year where they interviewed Method Man and he said that he wants to be like Will Smith and make it big in acting just like in rapping.

Yeah 50 Cent's time is running out soon for being famous, he's getting older now, either he changes soon or he'll be forever known as a black Vanilla Ice. :paperbag: btw, "Hustler's Ambition" is growing on me, it reminds me of Eminem's "Lose Yourself" in the way that he's showing flashes of his underground skills the way Eminem did on that song but they don't seem to do that much though that's why I can't really stand them anymore. 50 should stop frontin' like he hates Fat Joe and Nas so much 'cause if he got love for Will and KRS why wouldn't he have love for them too? He proabably grew up listening to Nas' "Illmatic" and Fat Joe's "Jealous Ones Envy" 10 years ago since they were dominating the underground hip-hop scene on the east coast, maybe 50's scared that KRS might destroy him 'cause KRS is a close friend of Nas and Fat Joe.

btw good thing this is bumped, I was listening to Common's "Like Water For Chocolate" CD the other day and on the song "Heat" he says: "Most sell out like a dread with a white girl" So that must be how he really feels then since he wrote about that in his song.