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I was listening to Hot 97 last night and Funkmaster Flex was talking about what Bow Wow said and he said that Bow Wow's album is garbage and the only reason why it sold anything was 'cause of Omarion and Ciara not 'cause of him and that he needs to start writing his 16's before he starts talkin' about other rappers.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/articl...t_id=1001479354 Outkast's 'Idlewild' Bumped To Next Year November 14, 2005, 3:50 PM ET Gail Mitchell, N.Y. and Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Originally planned for release earlier this year and then bumped to December, the soundtrack to the OutKast film "Idlewild" has now been removed from LaFace/Jive's 2005 schedule. Group member Big Boi said over the weekend at the Vibe Awards that it would appear sometime during the first quarter of 2006, but a label spokesperson says there is no confirmed date. "We're trying to pick the single right now. It's all about a gut instinct," Big Boi said at the Vibe Awards. The change in the soundtrack's release date has apparently had a corresponding affect on the roll-out of the movie, which HBO Films was eyeing for early January. A company spokesperson says a new date has yet to be nailed down. "Idlewild" is set in the 1930s, and Big Boi says that period in history has rubbed off on some of the music. "In our own little way," he told Billboard.com earlier this summer. "Just with the Ragtime feel. It's hip-hop. It's OutKast. It is what we've been doing for years. Some songs have a little more piano or whatever, but the whole project was a natural progression from a double CD. It was like, where do we go from here?" Big Boi stressed, "This is an OutKast album. It isn't like a soundtrack where we go get this person or that person."

The Atlanta radio station's probably sponsoring the concert!

I think 3cookies is from Atlanta if I'm not mistaken, hopefully she hears about this concert somewhere if she never comes on the board until December...

LL's "The G.O.A.T." mc, 50 ain't even an mc in my book, he already "Ether"'d himself by becoming the "Wanksta" he described, he ain't really a gangsta, he's just an imitator/watered down sucka that mumbles on records, I wouldn't even call him an artist. I don't think he'd be stupid to diss LL 'cause though he shows love to Ice Cube and Big Willie on this "What If" so he might have love for the pioneers that originated making rap a corporal buisiness for him to get a movie deal/clothing line/etc. even though he might diss some of the more current rappers, he better recognise like what LL said on "Throw Ya L's Up":"young rappers you want a career?/you wanna keep going platinum, you don't wanna disappear?/quit boppin' backstage like you causing me fear/you're starting to get on my nerves, the vet's in here", LL has that track record of finishing careers, Canibus sounds like Rakim compared to 50 so that'd just be an appetiser for LL to eat up. KRS would never be caught dead in a Backstreet Boy video 'cause he ain't trying to sell his soul to get hits like Nelly, 50 Cent, and all them other punk rappers do, I was just sayin' that he'd look just as ignorant as 50 Cent did for dissin' pop rappers and then becoming a pop rapper himself, it's just like when Eminem disses pop artists but he's a watered down pop artist too, these rappers are hypocritical.

I wasn't dissin' New Edition, they're one of my favorite groups, I'm just sayin' that it'd be better if New Edition was the group performing on the same show with JJFP instead of Backstreet Boys but as long as it's only one show that JJFP's gonna be with Backstreet Boys it's all good but if they do a tour together?!!! :therain: :stickpoke:

Why is JJFP performing on the same concert with the Backstreet Boys, I thought their career was dead, New Edition wasn't available? :paperbag:

Yeah but at the same time people rank LL and Will above Kurtis Blow and Sugar Hill Gang who paved the way for them, everybody got their own opinions, it's hard to compare eras. That's like saying who's better: The Temptations or Boyz II Men? People might say Boyz II Men 'cause they outsold The Temptations but The Temptations had longevity. Now if you wanna compare LL to Jay-Z, Jay-Z had higher record sales in a short period than LL does but LL has longevity, it depends if you prefer success or longevity.

Well they do mention Will Smith in the article that LL's a true entertainer like Queen Latifah and him: "About him as a true entertainer and many ways,not just as a great rapper,like WILL SMITH and Queen Latifah." And I disagree with this part: "How come his 20 year career isn`t reflected upon,his 11 Album catalog and 20 million sales honored? Aside from VH1`s Hip Hop Honors,there are rarely any publicized tributes to his legacy or his impact on a generation.Why haven`t we love Cool James over the years and respect hiss gangsta?" I think LL gets a lot of recognition, this guy has to be worth well over $100 million with all the hit movies, platinum plaques, awards he received, plus I think he is a respected mc among his peers, I don't think there's any need to feel sorry for LL, he gets a lot of love.

I like Big Pun but I wouldn't consider him one of the greatest since he didn't really make that much impact, I think there's too much of a bias towards dead rappers, even Pac and Biggie ain't as great as they've been hyped out to be, they died when they were on top of their careers and they weren't around long enough to see them putting out something that people didn't like, but they look like rap gods 'cause they put out quality stuff at that point. If Will died when "Summertime" came out he'd be known as the greatest rapper ever, if DMX died around the same time as Big Pun he'd also be getting more recognition right now than what he gets since his first 2 albums rank among the all-time great albums and they sold over 10 million combined, if MC Hammer died around the time he released "U Can't Touch This", etc..

Maybe... :shrug:

Pac's worst songs are better than 50's best songs, I was just sayin' that 50 tries makin' club anthems that sound like 'How Do U Want It' but they're too watered down to sound like that but I don't think the teen rap fans would be able to tell that though sadly, they don't listen to lyrics the way they listen to beats and hooks, you could say that some of 50's beats and hooks are as catchy as some songs on Pac's "All Eyez On Me" disc which was Pac's most commercial disc even though it was classic album, it's the gangsta version of "Big Willie Style" to me, but when it comes to lyrics there's no comparison that Pac is leagues ahead of 50. I don't really think that many listen to lyrics like that though, the one thing that they do have in common is that Dr. Dre produced Pac too just like he's producing 50 now so people jump on the bandwagon since Dre produces him and they figure that Dre only produces legends but that's wrong, Dre just wastes beats now. Too Short slipped my mind there but he's been in the game for about as long as LL I think. Ice-T too would have to be considered as a hustler artist on the West Coast the 'OG', Scarface in the South, but "Illmatic" would be the reason why Nas is a hustler artist, that album's probably the biggest street classic in hip-hop history, he rapped about hustlin' and survivin' in the Queensbridge Projects and he keeps evolving as an artist though that's why he's stayed relevant longer than most hustler artists. DMX would be another hustler artist who was in "Belly" with Nas, he's arguably the best street rapper that came after Nas, he should be right up there with him, he released 2 #1 albums when he came out in '98 bringin' street hip-hop to the top instead of that fake bling-bling rap that was out then. "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" is probably a cheap immitation "Belly", Jay-Z is another hustler artist of course who's the most famous one, but that's about it.

If you read some of Chuck D's terrordomes you'd see that he takes quite a few shots at 50 Cent, anyway I found a review of the album from Entertainment Weekly, it comes with a bonus DVD too with some videos, good stuff: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/music/...54_4_0_,00.html Music Review New Whirl Odor Public Enemy Reviewed by Tom Sinclair NOT SO 'NEW' Public Enemy is back With so many current rappers opting for partying over politics, it's refreshing to hear Public Enemy frontman Chuck D's stentorian voice hectoring, indicting, and pontificating on New Whirl Odor like it was 1989 all over again. As usual, the noisy, intermittently funky beats — not to mention some characteristically zany trash-talking from the irrepressible Flavor Flav — help lodge preachy tracks like ''Check What You're Listening To'' in your memory bank. And what other group would open an album with a spoken endorsement from the Rev. Al Sharpton? Grade: B

It'd be interesting to see if 50'd choose to diss LL if LL collabed with Ja Rule, I actually think that 50 wouldn't 'cause he knows LL's track record, Ja Rule's popularity was fading before the time that 50 dissed him anyway and Fat Joe sorta has been too, then people were jumping on the 50 Cent bandwagon so it's not like you could say 50 hurt their careers, he just got lucky, if he dissed them around 2001 when they were both at the height of their popularity 50'd fall right then. The one who isn't/wasn't a 'watered down' hustla artist would have to be Nas, from "Illmatic" to "Street's Disciple" he has stayed true to himself and the streets, filling the void that Pac and Biggie left after they passed. If they were alive still I don't think 50 Cent would be having the success that he's having right now. 50 does remind me of a 'watered down' version of Pac, he tries imitating what Pac does but fails at it so he might have high sales like Pac but he isn't really as respected as Pac was at this point credability wise, basically 50 just does most songs like "How Do U Want It" and no songs like "Keep Ya Head Up", I think the earlier stuff of Pac is what made him great, I didn't really care much for the East-West beef but he did enough before that to respect him and even when he was beefing he still put subject matter into songs like "Life Goes On" and "I Ain't Mad At Cha", you can't really say that about 50 though. 50 "Ether'd" himself by dissin' Ja Rule for doing love songs with Ashanti when he's doing love songs with Olivia now, he lost credability by doing that, that'd be like KRS dissin' Nelly for doing a video with NSync and then KRS'd turn around being in Backstreet Boys' video, lol, you don't turn around to do the same thing that you dissed somebody for, Olivia makes Ashanti sound like Whitney though, lol.

This line could go to Bow Wow: "You're platinum now but next year I'm gonna miss you!", except Bow Wow ain't platinum! :stickpoke: Will should shoot a video for "Lost and Found" now.

I remember when Minister Farakkan was sitting down and talking to Ja Rule about squashing the beef with 50 Cent and Ja Rule told Farakkan that he has a rep to maintain as being known as a hardcore rapper so he has to do it, Farakkan then said to Ja Rule that kids mostly listen to rap and you need to set an example for them and Ja Rule responded that with him and 50 keepin' this beef on wax is an example that he's setting instead of actually fighting on a streetcorner, so I guess at the end of the day you gotta look at it as entertainment and nothing more, Ja Rule and 50 Cent are both rich guys that might talk about killing other rappers on record but it doesn't really happen literally. You gotta look at a lot of these rappers like wrestling where they just do certain things to maintain their fanbase so I guess you can't really be too hard on them for that. Gangsta rap used to have messages to it but now it's only about ego than anything and that's why I don't really like it that much anymore, you'll see the difference between an Ice Cube album and a 50 Cent album, they're in a different league. Game even talked about how he was the "King Of Compton" on his first album and that's not true, Dr. Dre is. I don't like it how 50 Cent has to diss so many other rappers all the time, Ice Cube never did that, it was about him dissin' police brutality, the government, and other issues in the community, but with 50 he just criticises other rappers that try to make money and that's wrong, he should let other rappers have a chance to make it too and stop being so egotistical, that's my beef wit him, why should he diss everybody that collabs with Ja Rule? LL Cool J is a battle rapper but it's not like he dissed everybody that collabed with Canibus/Kool Moe Dee when he was battlin' them, he kept the beef wit Canibus/Kool Moe Dee, that's what 50 should do with Ja Rule, LL could give 50 some pointers about being a respected rapper, lol. LL Cool J said in one of his songs a few years ago that it seems every rapper coming on is a "former Nicky Barnes that wanna be dons" and he's right about that, all these 'hustler rappers' coming out sound generic 'cause they all rap about the same things, they don't try to sound individual, people hate on Will and call him 'bubblegum' but I don't see how that could be when he's an individual, all that hustler s*** sounds watered down and generic so that's what I call 'bubblegum', there needs to be balance.

Well maybe a lot of people're left bored from music with a message to it and wanna hear songs about sex, drugs, and violence since they find those songs sexy/appealing. People buy into the rap beefs that he starts and that's why he does it I guess. I wasn't literally talkin' about how people think that guns are sexy I was just making an anology, maybe if Mos Def made more songs about sex, drugs, and violence more often he'd sell millions just like 50 Cent but he doesn't so he only has a handful of people that wanna hear food for thought, 50's not sellin' 'cause he's a great lyricist or 'cause he's doing something creative, he's selling 'cause he dumbs down the most but one day he'll lose that audience when somebody new comes along that immitates that formula the way that he took some of Nelly's fanbase who was selling 10 million 5 years ago and his last album only sold 2 million and "The Longest Yard" soundtrack failed to go gold, his music is disposable pop rap just like Nelly so in a few more years he'll be done, I think Mos Def has a better chance to have a long career like KRS-ONE than 50 does. I don't want to diss 50 Cent but the way that he's polluting the rap game is wack: "gangsta hardcore's a menace to society/flows are all the same my pen spits variety" like Will said before, he's not making a good example to future rappers when he's showing that "you gotta do some sellin' out to get your record out" like Pac once said, the hip-hop scene will continue to be the way it is if 50 Cent and all the sellouts stay on top and creative mcs get slept on. I don't think people lookin' for food for thought would buy a 50 Cent CD 'cause he got nothin' to offer in that department but more people want controversey than that anyway so that doesn't seem to worry him too much, it's a shame though that all he cares about is sellin' records instead of exanding the topics as an artist, that's why he seems to be a lost rapper: "lost is when you're a slave to the biz/with no care to what you're sayin' to kids"!

What up y'all I figure I'd post this since there are a lot of Europe peeps on this board and some might be PE fans so check out the schedule for their brief Europe tour this week promoting their new album "New Whirl Odor" I found just reading Chuck D's terrordome on Public Enemy.com: http://www.publicenemy.com/index.php?page=page3 "All this and rolling into PE 54th tour To Europe, starting in PARIS ending in LONDON November 16th ...my obstacle people is to block everything out for a couple days and memorize A few new songs off NWO... THurs 10.11.05 Elysee Montmartre, Paris, France. Fri 11.11.05 Rockefeller, Oslo, Norway. Sat 12.11.05 DAY OFF (Travel day) Sun 13.11.05 Mondo, Stockholm, Sweden. Mon 14.11.05 013, Tilburg, The Netherlands. Tue 15.11.05 The Village, Dublin, Ireland. Wed 16.11.05 The Forum, London, UK." He also posted the release dates for "New Whirl Odor" to drop worldwide, it already dropped here in this US on November 1st, it's a dope album y'all should check it out: "The following release dates for PE in Europe alone are; Italy : november 14th Spain : november 21st Portugal : november 14th Switzerland : november 7th Germany : November 4th Austria : November 4th Poland : November 7th Benelux : November 1st Greece : November 21st Australia / Nea Zealand : November 14th Japan / SE Asia : December 5th Followed by massive press that clears roads for independent movement.."

I hope Will does another freestyle!

Why do you disagree with me? It's true though that the gangsta rappers rapping about how much guns they bust are outselling the conscious rappers that make thought provoking rhymes but gangsta rappers come and go with the fame while conscious rappers always have some audience there for them, anybody can be a gangsta if they want to since that's not hard to do but not everybody could be intelligent if they don't work torwards that. If music celebrating explicit sex, drug use, and gun violence that's unhealthy is so popular it's not rocket science to tell you that there's more idiotic people out there than intelligent people, that's why 50 Cent dumbs down so much and sells millions, if people were really smart they'd stop listening to the gimmick raps. This goes back to what KRS said a few months ago in that speech on BBC.com, he talks about how easy it is to chill on the block all day being a drug addict and drunk but it takes heart to be a man and gain knowledge, that's the message that rappers like 50 Cent don't display, the way he acts it makes it look like you could only get to the top by disrespecting other people but that's not the only way! : "I'm tellin' you the truth, I studied in the library, the public library system, I couldn't understand it man, some people say “I can't stand America, they're holding me back, America's racist!” when they're walking down the street they see a Mcdonald's, a hospital, a liquor store, and a public library, so I'm going to the library and you're going to the liquor store. How is America evil? Or in this case, how is England evil? If you have a choice I'm going to public school, “Wait I thought you said you don't go to school?” well my public school is the public library by picking up the books I wanna read and studying what I wanna know when I wanna know it. Doors are opened all day, 8 hours a day, free books to take with you, these cats, I mean I'm in the same hood as everybody else! Somehow I'm walking to the library, others are walking to the liquor store, now I like to drink too, I ain't gonna front but what's more important my drink or my purpose? That's what you gotta asking yourself. “well kids stay off drugs” now BBC is broadcasting “well krs-one told kids to stay off drugs”, ha ha ha, well seriously that's the truth, what's more important getting high or your purpose? The choice is yours you could go either way with no judgement. Don't be mad though if you turn 40 and you don't know who you are but you're high as a motherf----r, ha ha ha, don't get mad man"

You sure it ain't a re-run?

Yeah some people really know how to hate but in reality though their punchlines are better than anything I've heard from Bow Wow, he should pay them to be his ghostwriters! :gettinjiggywitit: :rofl: There should be a rule where nobody under 18 years old should be signed to a record deal 'cause they all suck, FP and LL were the exception though sorta like how most young basketball players can't ball except for Lebron and Kobe. "And Parents Just Don't Understand>>>>>>>>. Bow Wow taking another breath in his meaningless life" "Bowwow has no right to talk. He was still a stain in his daddy's underpants when Will was Fresh Prince." :word: I posted it over on the Public Enemy board and there's more positive feedback for Will: http://www.publicenemy.com/pb/viewtopic.php?t=21867 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Idiot doesn't know his hip hop history. No-one should underestimate the importance of the Fresh Prince's contribution to making hip hop a mainstream entity. There may not have been a Kanye West without a Will Smith." "What's more, Bow wow wasn't writing those songs before. A couple of years ago, his mom's boyfriend was ghostwriting 4 him. Bow wow's getting a little 2 big 4 his britches"

It was surprising that the Lakers were able to stay so close even with Kobe struggling like that, Philly played him tough.

That's what's wrong with society they think it's sexy when people carry guns hanging on the streetcorner all day and you're wack if you got a backpack and go to the library or school to learn all day, intelligent people do respect Mos Def and not 50, 50 knows that too, knowledge is power that's why Mos Def'll outlast 50 in the game 'cause he's a smart brother, only school dropouts that're happy being on welfare all their life respect 50 'cause he's as ignorant as they are.

If some of you actually care so much about whether Bow Wow said it or not buy the new issue of XXL, I personally don't really give a damn, this guy probably wants to be "50 Cent Jr." and diss other rappers while making songs for 14-year old girls, Will needs to shut all of these immitators down so they could lose all their fame, 5 years from now they'll be begging Will for a role in his films and a guest appearance on his albums to ressurect their dead careers. :word: