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Chuck D does make a good point there about how people shouldn't diss Vanilla Ice so hard for what he did 15 years ago and be open minded to give him a listen to what's he's doing now instead of callin' him forever wack, he's probably better than a lot of wack mcs out now especially since Chuck D collabed with him when he don't usually collab with too many rappers. btw, how did Beastie Boys' "Licensed To Ill" get to 9 million sold? I thought it went double platinum in the late '80s just like JJFP's "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" and Run-DMC's "Raising Hell" did, I find that number misleading. The reason why I was wondering how much "The Score" sold is 'cause Wyclef boasts in one of his songs: "22 million sold, no group alive could achieve this!"

Maybe 50's lookin' for ghostwriters to write a song dissin' Nas...

50 Cent To Sign Kool G Rap, Lil' Scrappy; Plans Label Positions For Newest Signees Thursday - October 20, 2005 50 Cent Photo Credit: Interscope 50 Cent may be adding a few more big name artists to his already stellar roster at G-Unit Records. He spilled the beans on Saturday (October 15) during an interview on BBC's Radio 1 Rap Show in London, where he said he may be signing Kool G Rap, Beanie Sigel and Lil' Scrappy. During the interview with host, Tim Westwood, 50 stated that he plans to remodel hip-hop. And to start off, the aforementioned artists will be next. "Everybody wants to be affiliated and a part of what we are doing right now 'cause we got the best camp," said 50. "I'm entertaining the idea of Kool G Rap; we talked and had conversations. Beanie Sigel, we talked to Beanie. [And] Lil' Scrappy is coming over to G-Unit." Although, there is no official word, 50 continues to express interest in possibly adding them to his artist roster. In addition to 50 scouting new talent, he plans to move some of his newest recruits -- Mobb Deep and Mase -- to corporate positions within his label. And even noted that they will sign new talent as well. "You'll be seeing, probably Mase moving into a corporate position. You'll see Prodigy and Havoc start signing new artists 'cause they are really experienced artists. In the A&R department, can't nobody A&R better than the actual artists," 50 told Tim Westwood. But wait, that's not it. 50 has big, bright plans for his G-Unit company. Currently, G-Unit Records is an imprint under the Interscope umbrella, but he plans to branch off on his own with plans of being the next Def Jam Records. "We getting ready to do something so big," 50 explained. "We are already making up 70% of the black music at Interscope. Eventually, we're just gonna move over, create our own radio staff and everything else -- just move away from it and be the [next] Def Jam." Aside from running his label, 50 Cent is preparing the release of his big screen debut, "Get Rich Or Die Tryin," along with the film's soundtrack. The film, which is loosely based around his life story, will hit theaters November 9th with the soundtrack dropping the day before. — Ronnie Gamble

Those sales sound realistic but what site did you find this on? I didn't know that Pac's greatest hits sold that much but I should've known since everybody jumped on the bandwagon after he was killed they buy anything that's his now, JJFP's greatest hits didn't even go gold, damn shame, how much did Fugees "The Score" sell?

I found this quote from one of Chuck D's Terrordomes from April 2000 where he talks about Vanilla Ice: "This news already out before I even said yea or nay. I hear that eMpTyV leaked out a report that VANILLA ICE’S next album is gathering PE for a collab. Well not exactly, CONFRONTATION CAMP is possibly gonna do some work on it. It was just talk but now the CAMP’s band element, CHAINGANG, will come to the table with some involvement. I don’t think cats know that the leader, KYLE JASON, will take on many, damn near most, collabs and cares less about making ‘the cool move’. KYLE hates most industry cliques and standards and relishes ‘underdog s***,’ which is why he nods his head to this move as long as it’s aggressive. Reading the ENEMY BOARD’S comments I feel what cats are saying to an extent but don’t confuse the two. CONFRONTATION CAMP, and KYLE especially, doesn’t want carry over PE fans for the namesake of it. I’ve told him that’s gonna be hard, with both myself and GRIFF, and even DJ LORD, in the group. As far as my take on it, as long as the music’s aggressive I’m ok with it. I look at VANILLA ICE beyond his early 90s trip and I’m honest about that. I think perception is important, but it rules robots just a bit much these days. If people wanna hold his art and consider him forever wack it’s an unfair assessment to evaluate in 2000. In 1990 there were probably a LOT OF SUBURBAN MCs across Amerikkka who didn’t develop until the mid-late 90s, and probably just obtained their total skills in the past few years. I happened to meet this guy when he was a kid in 1988 opening up for PE on tour in OKLAHOMA CITY. I’ve made that no secret. Tried to sign him then, it didn’t work out and I wished him well, which he did. Always said if the right thing came along there’d be some room to work together. The right thing I considered is the rap/metal collab, which I’ve always liked, and I dug his last project. CONFRONTATION CAMP is getting off the ground and a lot of cats will be uncomfortable. The members are cool with that…"

Yeah that quote's probably from 3-5 years ago, I don't think LL would say that now. :stickpoke:

Outlawz "Our Life"(Novakane-2001) btw, I didn't know Notorious BIG did "Lean Back", I thought that was Fat Joe.

JJFP "Brand New Funk"(He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper-1988)

Of course you don't if you rapped about God all the time you'd be a 'gospel' rapper, but I don't really consider Kanye a 'conscious' rapper either, he's more of a versatile rapper like Jay-Z, Will, or LL Cool J, that's not as 'conscious' as a Chuck D or KRS-ONE, it's hard to label rappers though, it's easier to just call them all rappers and stop labeling them.

That's dope! :1-say-yes: Alicia Keys is definately a great artist, I got all of her albums, including the new live one, I read her poetry book too, it doesn't surprise me that she respects Will and Jada. Her first song she released was "Sexy Thing" on the "MIB Soundtrack" btw.

Yeah Vlade Divac sucked, the Hornets have probably been kicking themselves for years that they traded away Kobe Bryant when they drafted him in '96 for Vlade Divac, they probably would still be in Charlotte and went to the NBA Finals if they kept Kobe.

I gotta give him points for being honest there, I guess his lifestyle turned him into a gangsta you could say so he ain't frontin' now, he's harder than 50 Cent, lol, at least he admits he sold out unlike a lot of pop rappers that put up a front, he'd probably had a longer career if he came out now since there's more of those pop rap gimmicks than ever that just do what labels tell them to but he couldn't last that long back then 'cause originality was what made rappers relevant in the golden era of rap.

Well that goes to my earlier point, not many of his songs are about god so he shouldn't be called a 'conscious' rapper just 'cause he was famous for "Jesus Walks", you listen to his albums and there's not really any songs like that, that's as ignorant as just sayin' Will only makes 'party' songs just 'cause he released "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It", not all Will's songs on his albums sound like that either, "Don't Believe The Hype".

Well VI was nothin' but a gimmick to begin with, he bit off of what MC Hammer was doing so he could sell then he tried to be gangsta in the late 90s like everybody else but that plan didn't work 'cause people lost interest from him fast and thought he was a joke.

Wasn't Vanilla Ice a part of ICP? He completely sold out going from being a party rapper to makin' violent heavy metal rap, well he ain't the only sell out in the rap industry I guess, most of those rappers who sell a lot of albums are gimmicks that don't represent who they truely are, Will Smith and MC Hammer have always kept their music clean and fun, and 2Pac always put heart and emotion into his songs so they were the exception. Will has had arguably the most consistant career among those listed there, it's amazing that was his 6th album where he sold that much, usually you could only sell that much on your 1st or 2nd album.

I'm sure KRS could afford it 'cause he's a millionaire.

They're probably either updating it or they're banning it for being too "smart", first they're getting on NBA players for wearing street clothes and now this, lol, corporate America really does hate hip-hop after all I guess.

Diamond is 10X Platinum and that's what "Big Willie Style" is according to this site, selling 12 million worldwide: http://www.jazzyjefffreshprince.com/albums...illie-style.htm It's funny how rappers lie about how much they sell, I think Vanilla Ice is the only one that probably would say it sold 17 million, 50 Cent said that his first album sold 11 million when it really only sold 6 million in reality, Nas could use that as fuel when he comes after him on his next album.

http://www.neosoul.com/riaa/index.html You're wrong my friend, TLC's "Crazy Sexy Cool" sold 11 million, Biggie's "Life After Death", and MC Hammer's "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" sold 10 million, they don't even list Vanilla Ice's album, I'm wondering where's Outkast's "Speakerboxx/Love Below", 2Pac's "All Eyez On Me", and Will Smith's "Big Willie Style" though I think they both went diamond too, I think they outsold Vanilla Ice's album too if I'm not mistaken, I think it sold only about 8 million like "Marshall Mathers LP"! :stickpoke:

Players market teams by the way they play on the court, not what they wear on the sidelines so I consider that a pointless issue that didn't need to be addressed, if the Atlanta Hawks lose 70 games this year nobody'll go watch them no matter how "neat" they're dressed. If they're really concerned about image they'd drop liquor ads with half naked women in them and if they really hated hip-hop that much they wouldn't let rappers attend all-star weekend and have all those hip-hop events there. David Stern said a couple years ago that he wanted more hip-hop to be in the NBA to attract younger audiences now all of a sudden he says he doesn't want it, what the NBA needs mostly is players with skills on every team.

Dr. Dre produces people that I don't like listening to on the most part so I don't really don't pay attention to him that much anymore, I rather remember him for "The Chronic" days until he produces somebody that I like, maybe if he produces Will's next album or do some producing for Nas again maybe I'd learn to respect him, I did dig that "The Watcher Pt.2" he did with Rakim and Jay-Z, if he did more tracks like that he'd be one of my favorites again. He sold out though working with pop rap gimmicks like 50 Cent most of the time.

There's not really that much of an image problem in the NBA, they're going after the wrong industry, sex doesn't sell in the NBA, the quality of the games is what turns people on to go to the games. Shouldn't they crack down on liquor ads with half naked women in them too when they show the game too though? They won't though 'cause they get paid lots of money for that. I think that's worse than a player wearing a doo-rag and a t-shirt, that's hypocritical just like when they got on TO for that ad he did when they focus on cheerleaders wearing barely nothing during games, but they sell a lot of cheerleader calenders so that's ok for them too I guess, they don't care about image, they just wanna get paid, they probably wanna add more white players to the NBA too, they probably think that the NBA's too black and maybe if there was more white players it'd be even more popular even if they fight with each other they probably wouldn't care that much either 'cause white hockey players fight all the time and it's ok, that's a whole another discussion though. Back to my point about sex doesn't sell in the NBA though, for example if the Knicks won 50 games every game would sell out at Madison Square Garden but it's different with music where there's more of an image problem I think, they actually force artists to be negative and have half naked girls in their videos instead of showing the positive side of the 'hood, not every woman in the 'hood is a hoe, there's too many negative stereotypes out there. I don't think it really was Sony that wanted Will to do party songs, it was his decision probably 'cause JJFP's all about having fun anyway, they're from the ol' school where everyone was going "yes yes y'all" and "throw ya hands in the air", just clean fun, nothin' negative about that, you could say though that Will wanted to show more of his serious side but they didn't allow him to release "The Rain".

Well Dr. Dre has fell off anyway since then, everybody "Forgot about Dre"! :stickpoke:

I guess the NBA wants to pander to an older audience that doesn't like the hip-hop lifestyle then, but don't rappers/singers represent the record label they're signed to as well at the same time? That's an industry too, I see no difference, those who are in charge of record labels could have a say in what an artist does too 'cause they're the employers. I hope they don't make the game so boring that younger people'll get turned off from it though.

Yeah well I actually don't really consider Eminem that much better than Vanilla Ice, they're both sucker mcs in my book but the one thing that has kept Eminem in the game longer than Vanilla Ice is that he rolls with all the popular rappers like Dr. Dre and Snoop so that's how he's stayed popular longer than Vanilla Ice, Vanilla Ice faded away and went underground, both are pop rap gimmicks straight up.