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It's safe to say that "Lost and Found" ran it's course since it's been out over 6 months now, albums usually need to go platinum right away if you expect them to still promote it 6 months later, Will did a lot of promoting for the album, Interscope didn't do enough, if they done more it'd sold more to begin with, I ain't really upset since he did do pretty well, going gold now is like selling 2 million 5 years ago, only a handful go platinum now, Will's nominated for an AMA too so I'd say he did damn well myself, not what I was hoping but still damn well! Will doesn't need any label, I think he'll be better off promoting himself but he'll always get offers 'cause he's done so well in his career, he don't need Interscope or anybody, JJFP are going do it as long as they want, look at how much Jazzy Jeff's albums flop but he's still doing it, we're worried more about sales than they are.

Blame society that ignored him when he was out there promoting it, he was out there promoting it for oever 4 months and hardly anybody bought it, I don't think no rapper spends that much time promoting their album if it doesn't sell that much, I blame the people that slept on it, if the album sold more there would've been more videos, more promotion!

Canibus dissin' LL is just as ignorant as it'd be if Kel Spencer dissed FP, you don't bite the hand that's feeding you, Canibus was given the opportunity to be heard by millions since he was unknown before LL put him on the song, he has no heart and he couldn't check a mic for LL or anybody on that "4,3,2,1" song, it's all jealousy on his part 'cause like LL said on "The Ripper Strikes Back" which is true: "Don't hate me cause I'm paid, hate me because I'm everything you want to be : handsome, young, plus legendary"! Mike Tyson's a punk too for being in Canibus' "2nd Round KO" video, LL gave him props back in the days in "I'm Bad", well Tyson's broke now so he'll be beggin' to be LL's next video, "Last week my video dropped and you was sick" :lolsign: :word: btw, "Ain't No Nigga"'s instrumental is actually sampled from one of EPMD's old songs that they did a battle rhyme over it, so technically LL jacked EPMD, I wouldn't have mind if Eric Sermon was on "4,3,2,1" instead of Canibus, actually I wouldn't mind if even Jay-Z was on it 'cause he was really dope back then. btw, I found the audio for "Rip The Jacker" if you wanna check it out for yourself, I downloaded it before but I didn't remember about it for a minute, he acutally just flips LL's lyrics from "I'm Bad" most of the time which was the same length, LL should sue him over this, anybody could write a song usin' the same rhymes from a song they heard, lol: http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/audio/detail.asp?ID=6230

Hip-hop is dead if Will can't make impact with this album, RIP hip-hop, f*** MTV and BET! :paperbag: "Tell Me Why" is too serious to get airplay, "Party Starter" was his only hope for a huge hit. :shakehead:

Canibus' still dissin' LL after all these years? Well I guess he realises that's the only way he'll get fame seein' that LL's still on top, he's probably waiting for LL to answer him back again, he's just a jealous punk, Eminem'll probably diss FP again too when his next album flops and then cry about it forever knowin' that FP'll keep on making 20 mil and walking past E, that's why they should just be waved off, these selfish bastards should learn to bow down to the masters. LL didn't even have to put Canibus on "4,3,2,1" if he didn't want to in the first place, Canibus should be thankin' LL for his 15 minutes of fame, not diss him 'cause that's the only thing people remember him for. I think FP and LL should just get together and do a track to knock all these rappers that don't respect them out of the game permantely.

I found the lyrics to LL's Rasta Imposter" song on ohhla.com, I really'd like to hear this one: Intro: What you got to do with it? What the f*** you talkin about? What the f*** you got to do with it? You stupid nigga? You stupid? Did you see that video, nigga? F*** wrong with you? Like you don't, you don't know what you go to do with it. Like your f***n insane or something. (You f****n wack ass nigga) (laughing in background) [Verse One] Y'all faggots is weak, y'all starstruck niggas think s*** is sweet That busy signal bulls*** is dead up in the street Heard that garbage dough jam, made me reminisce On when heard your man's wack s*** and went to take up his Jealous faggot man cause I'm richer than y'all When I load my desertees, I'm picturin y'all On the streets of Queens where I was raised and born, hardcore And stood on every corner like a liquor store Clips full of hollowtips, follow loose lips Aimin at your clique and make em cough up my chips B****, ya niggas wanna see if I'm ill? Wanna see how many rappers can be killed, how much blood can spill? When I inject this lyrical drill, if I can't do it, the dumb-dumbs will Tell that nigga to tell his man to tell that nigga I send the wolves to kill that nigga If you wanna know why, its cause I'm still that nigga Michael Jordan of all this rap s***, pullin the trigger What the f***? You on a mission to self-destruct And have the nerve to let the chickenhead model cluck Your swervin nigga, better follow the white lines Your up on the sidewalk, off course, read the sign I'm so ill, y'all niggas is so wack Your whole crew is such, y'all lack the hard impact Far as your man go, I got young niggas that wanna get him Treat him like a Philly, wet'im and split'im Chorus L.L. don't lose niggas, we can do it however you choose nigga One on one or round up the crews nigga But Can-I-Blast you out your shoes nigga You know the rules nigga! *repeat* [Verse Two] Queens s***, give me cream so I can grab my d*** Sew that s***, what the f*** y'all niggas workin with? Backwards, ass-jerk, jumpin up out the woodwork Ridin my meat, tryin to critique my physique A real nigga wouldn't even mention my lips Can't believe you went there, no I know you a b**** Sugar-coated nigga, deep-throated nigga Young guns take a pull before they quote a nigga Yeah, I wrote it nigga for all my real live devoted niggas I'm a true and livin lyrically ill poet nigga So what you talkin bout? That s***s supposed to be hot? Y'all niggas on the warpath, y'all takin over my block? I think not, matter of fact your not aloud to rap no more And if you hear this in the club sneak out the backdoor And if you bumpin in your ride make sure your windows is up and your tint's passed the limit So they don't know a faggot's in it! I'm L.L. and I did this to you Teflon waitin for every nigga runnin with you Rhymes hit you, lace you up again and split you Niggas ain't official thats why Mom Dukes miss you Tell your man bring it on, I'm only gettin warm Never die, never quit, and my money's long Punk ass crab nigga, talkin bout his lips Constantly involvin my name with that bulls***! Why I diss you? You stepped up in the ring Ice jinglin in the video like you the next Don King And tell your man I know he got some lyrics in the stash But I'm the best that ever did it, now get this motherf****n ass Mic's too hot to hold, leave it in the sand So I can describe the picture with both hands You must not understand who's in command I got all the flavor, but y'all niggas is mad bland Chorus [Verse Three] I'll cut your f****n head off and leave it on your mom's dresser Then pay the pope a hundred thou to go and bless her You wanna test a lyrical teacher and professor? I bet y'all niggas fall off now that your under pressure I don't stress ya, yet still I must check ya Extort niggas for gettin f****d up, stop and inspect ya F*** wrong with you nigga? You can't do nothin to me If I put a slug in you on the low, you'd probably try to sue me Your girl blew me, I said "Now!" She said "Do me" Bust a nut in her face on tape to let the crew see Can't put dirt roll, nigga poppin s*** Underestimantin what Queens niggas'll do for chips I originated all this s*** The ice, the champagne, the b****s on the d*** That really don't apply to you crabs in a barrel Mic's my staff sendin you a message like Pharaoh Leave it alone or get swallowed in the sea The King of Hiphop is something you could never be My crown you'll never see, I'll rule forever, G I'll be goin platinum when you just a memory I'm the double L, capital C, double O With the seven upside down jakes slayin the clown What the f*** wrong wit y'all niggas? You out your mind nigga? You better try to go beg Lauryn to come back or something F*** wrong with you? Chorus"

I thought this was gonna be news about them doing a song together, well anyways it's dope to hear that they're giving back, dope stuff, btw I wouldn't mind if Heavy D's on the next FP album if that comes out 1st! :2thumbs:

Kenyon Martin was the dominant force for the Nets for 2 years in a row when they went to the Finals, he's not a center but he's still a great frontcourt presence, they clearly didn't play the same last year without him either.

I agree with everything you wrote there Tim, I ain't really gettin' my hopes up on "Party Starter" being a huge hit, it's unfortunate though that it isn't 'cause I think that it deserves to be his biggest one ever since it displays his legendary rhyme skills, I hate the fact that "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" is his biggest one 'cause his rhyme skills are a lot better than that song displays and people need to see that.

Well like I said a few times before if Will was able to get on a label to promote his stuff better maybe we'd be able to get more albums from him faster, him and Jeff wanna do an album together but I wonder if Interscope'll allow them to release it, that could be the problem, they seem to be as bad as Columbia to me, the whole music industry doesn't wanna promote ol' school hip-hop the way they promote that crunk/gangsta crap and I don't wanna be negative but I think it might drive Will out of the rap game in a few years and he might just stick to filming like a few of his ol' school peers have done already 'cause the rap game is too big of a mess for him to clean up it seems, I'll be happy if a JJFP album ever comes out, seeing them perform on an ol' school tour would make me happy too, I don't really expect too much now.

I never heard about that Canibus song, I really do believe that Wyclef gave Canibus his left over beats 'cause I know he's a better producer than the tracks I heard him produce for Canibus, I heard "What's Clef"(Got To Do Wit It) that's like the worst song Wyclef has ever done, the Canibus verse was the worst verse on "4,3,2,1" song, LL should've took him off the song in the 1st place, the verse LL spits on there has better punchlines than I ever heard from Canibus 'cause LL speaks the truth, if LL took Canibus off the song we would've never heard of Canibus' career, LL started and ended his career, basically every rapper that LL battled is irrelevant now, including Wyclef and I think he's a dope mc too but LL's recent albums are even better than his too, it boggles my mind that people still wanna diss LL even after all the competition he slayed, he's haters' favorite rapper's favorite rapper, Canibus probably grew up listening to him too.

Did Canibus make any songs to diss LL other than "2nd Round KO"? I'm not really a follower of Canibus' career so I wouldn't really know, I heard a few tracks from him, he doesn't really impress me that much.

Here's my take on the battle, technically the 1st track of the LL vs. Canibus battle was LL Cool J's "4,3,2,1" that he featured Canibus on as well as DMX, Redman, and Method Man, Canibus dissed LL on the verse he did after LL told him that he shouldn't get the same mic tatoo on his arm that LL had 'cause he didn't earn it yet and Canibus took that as a diss, they started to fight in the studio, LL wanted to take Canibus off the song after that but they decided to record their verses on seperate times and when Canibus dissed LL on his verse LL dedicated his verse towards Canibus which is arguably one of the best verses of his career, then Canibus did "2nd Round KO", and LL did "Ripper Strikes Back", later on LL also did "Back Where I Belong" on his "G.O.A.T." album of course which put the nail in the coffin on Canibus' career.

Y'all must not be reading Jazzy Jeff's forum much, this is what he said recently about there being another JJFP album: http://www.djjazzyjeff.com/messageboard/De...tid=1577&page=2 "we always talk about doing another jazzy jeff n fresh prince album...its just timing...its gonna happen...soon i hope." We should all post over there and say that we want the album to come out that way they'll know that we want another JJFP album.

Will doesn't need ghostwriters, he's been writing rhymes longer than most rappers been living, he might have a lil' help here and there but what rapper doesn't? He's just a "Mr. Nice Guy" and gives them credit unlike them.

Yeah Curry got traded to the Knicks along with Antonio Davis for Tim Thomas and Mike Sweetney with a 1st round pick in '06, this is a good trade for both teams but the Knicks are in huge risk if Curry ain't healthy, Sweetney's gonna be an upgrade at power forward for the Bulls, I guess they're gonna move Chandler to center. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ October 4, 2005 Bulls' Curry Is Traded to Knicks By HOWARD BECK CHARLESTON, S.C., Oct. 3 - In a bold attempt to accelerate the Knicks' rebuilding effort, the team president Isiah Thomas made his greatest gamble yet Monday night, striking a deal in principle to acquire center Eddy Curry from Chicago. Curry has shown great promise but is also considered a great risk because of heart problems that compelled the Bulls to unload him. The Knicks will send forwards Tim Thomas and Mike Sweetney, and a first-round pick in the 2006 draft, to the Bulls, according to an Eastern Conference team executive who had knowledge of the deal. The Knicks will receive Curry, the veteran forward Antonio Davis and possibly draft picks. For salary-cap purposes, the Knicks will also sign and immediately trade guard Jermaine Jackson to Chicago. The team executive spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal was not final. Curry has shown immense promise in four seasons since going directly from high school to the N.B.A. in 2001. At 6 feet 11 inches and 285 pounds, he is strong and athletic and is generally regarded as one of the most talented young big men in the league. Curry averaged 16.1 points and 5.4 rebounds - in just 28.7 minutes a game - last season. Even if he improves only modestly, Curry will be the most talented center the Knicks have had since Patrick Ewing was in his prime. But Curry has an enlarged heart and an irregular heartbeat that caused him to miss the final 13 games last season and the playoffs. Curry may have a condition that could prove fatal. The Bulls were so concerned about that possibility that they insisted Curry take a DNA test to help rule out the condition. Curry refused, and the Bulls were prepared to bench him this season rather than risk having him collapse on the court. Doctors who have examined Curry have offered conflicting opinions as to whether the test is necessary, and whether he is at risk. But the Bulls remained steadfast. "I would never put a player on the floor in a Chicago Bulls uniform if I didn't do everything in my power to find out all the information that was available," John Paxson, the Bulls' general manager, told reporters in Chicago on Monday. "You can debate genetic testing till you're blue in the face. But from what I know, from what I've learned over the last six months, that test could have helped us determine the best course of action." That problem is now the Knicks' to bear. Although they clearly will not be requiring the DNA test, the Knicks must find a way to insure Curry's contract against any heart-related ailment that could prevent him from playing. Curry has been unable to acquire the standard disability insurance. Knicks officials declined comment Monday night. Precise details of the trade were still being worked out. The teams hoped to have the required conference call with league officials on Tuesday afternoon. "It's a done deal," said Tim Thomas, who had the trade confirmed to him by his agent, Arn Tellem, on Monday afternoon. The deal is contingent on all players passing their physical exams. Curry and Davis were expected to travel to New York on Tuesday for their exams. Tim Thomas said he and Sweetney would be boarding a flight to Chicago early Tuesday afternoon, not long after the Knicks complete their first training camp practice at the College of Charleston. Curry was a restricted free agent this off-season, and was a top target of the Knicks, although they did not have the cap room to sign him outright. If the Bulls had not traded him, Curry would have been forced to accept the Bulls' qualifying offer of $5.14 million. But he probably would have spent the season on the bench. Instead, Curry will sign a five-year deal, believed to be worth about $10 million in the first season, with Chicago, then be shipped to the Knicks. Curry will be reunited with guard Jamal Crawford, one of his best friends in the league. They were teammates for three years in Chicago. "He's excited, man," Crawford said Monday night, minutes after talking to Curry on the telephone. "I'm excited. I can't wait to get started tomorrow." Even before Curry's heart issues arose, Bulls officials had concerns about his work ethic and his weight. But Crawford said Curry would be a great asset to the Knicks, who have strung together four straight losing seasons. "I've seen him play so well against people like Shaq and Yao Ming," said Crawford, calling Curry "a dominant low-post presence - someone that can get you 20 points and 10 rebounds and block shots." "Just his presence down there, he's so athletic," Crawford added. "We're going to get the best out of him." Other details of the deal remained hazy. The Bulls initially wanted the Knicks to waive Davis so they could re-sign him. But the Knicks may now want to keep Davis. The trade will not only bolster the Knicks' frontcourt, but it will also unclog the glut at several positions. With Tim Thomas gone, the Knicks can install Quentin Richardson, a new acquisition, as the starting small forward. Crawford, who could have been bumped from the starting lineup by Richardson, will probably remain as the starting shooting guard. The Knicks also have Trevor Ariza, Allan Houston and Penny Hardaway to play those two positions. Sweetney had the inside track to start at power forward. That job now could go to Davis, Maurice Taylor or Malik Rose. Jerome James, who was signed to a five-year, $30 million deal in July to start at center, will become a well-paid backup to Curry. Tim Thomas, who came to the Knicks in a trade just 20 months ago, welcomed the trade. In fact, he requested one over the summer. "I was trying to force it a little bit," said Thomas, who was the subject of trade speculation all last season. "I feel good about it." Thomas has one year left on his contract, worth $14 million. Although the Bulls are expected to let him leave next summer, Thomas said he was seeking a contract extension and knew the Knicks would not offer one. Sweetney was the Knicks' first-round pick, the ninth over all, in the 2003 draft. With Sweetney gone, Houston is the only player left from the roster that Isiah Thomas inherited when he took over as team president in December 2003. The first-round draft pick the Knicks traded to Chicago may be lottery-protected. The pick will be the Knicks' own or one they acquired from the San Antonio Spurs when they dealt Nazr Mohammed last season, whichever is higher. Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

Alonzo Mourning had a few good games when Shaq didn't play in the playoffs, I think it's important to have a good inside game yes, that's what the Lakers were lacking last year, as great of a player Kobe Bryant is he ain't playing center, you need to have a dominant center to compete, especially in the Western Conference, in the East you could sort of win games without having one but you need to have a strong one to get to the Finals, there's only a handful of them in the East like Jermaine O'neal, Shaq, and the Wallaces, that's why they're teams did so well last year. btw, you can't use injuries as an exuse, every team has them.

It didn't make on there again! :paperbag:

:word: I'll be happy if the "Tell Me Why" video comes out, in the meantime we could also get Jazzy Jeff's album to hold us over too! :stickpoke:

I doubt that Kobe could lead the Lakers to the Finals without Shaq, I think Shaq has a better chance of leading the Heat to the Finals without Kobe, he's the reason why the Lakers won 3 straight rings and when he was hurt in the Finals in 2004 against the Pistons they folded.

Speaking of Outkast I was checking out the latest issue Entertainment Weekly today at the library and I found an article in there saying that they're releasing their new album on December 6th, it's untitled this point and is supposed to be the soundtrack to their new movie coming out this winter, for those who care.

I think we should try again today! :pony:

We had a few records that did well on the R&B charts, and Jam On It actually did well on the Pop charts, which was almost unheard of for Rap back then. Pierre Cardin and Jermaine Dupri covered Jam On It as well, and lots of people have sampled it, as well as other records of ours. We were on a national tour with Cameo and were also on the original Fresh Fest with RunDMC, The Fat Boys, Whodini and Kurtis Blow. We must have done at least 100 shows with RunDMC, a couple of shows with them opening for us. In fact, the very first show we ever did with them, the promoter only had enough to pay 1 group, so he paid us and stiffed them. They got mad and pulled the plug on the tape player right in the middle of our show. We were also with them the night Run first pulled his "who's house is this" routine (he was hella drunk). Oh...and WE were the FIRST Hip-Hop band...not Stetsasonic. :davidblaine: Is there any DVDs of your concert footage? I'd love to see that!

Stevie Wonder ends 10-year absence just in 'Time' By Gail MitchellSun Oct 2, 1:44 AM ET After several well-publicized delays, Stevie Wonder's first studio album in 10 years, "A Time to Love," is due in stores October 18. Wonder says the album's delay had nothing to do with any fear factor: "I was never afraid to put this out. That was never the issue -- ever. I wanted it to sound contemporary but still be me. It was just a matter of getting it right." The artist adds, "Everyone worked very hard on this. I'm very comfortable with everything." The 15 original tracks, not surprisingly, revolve around the theme of love. Musically, the set reflects Wonder's embrace of all genres, from hip-hop to gospel to world music, with some arrangements using strings. These musical and lyrical components spark memories of signature songs from Wonder's 45-year career. His duets with daughter Aisha Morris ("How Will I Know," "Positivity") recall her contribution as an infant on "Isn't She Lovely," as does young son Kailand's impromptu assist at the end of "Sweetest Somebody I Know." Wonder gets down to man-and-his-piano basics on the jazzy "Moon Blue" (co-written by "The Color Purple" actress Akosua Busia) and the atmospheric "True Love." The inspirational "Shelter in the Rain" is being promoted to gospel and Christian stations. It is available as a single online October 4 and in stores October 18, with proceeds going to the Wonder Foundation to benefit Hurricane Katrina relief efforts. Guest vocalists include gospel artist Kim Burrell on the anthemic "If Your Love Cannot Be Moved" (with choir vocals produced by Kirk Franklin) and India Arie on the title track. Other guests include flutist Hubert Laws, guitarist Doc Powell, Paul McCartney, drummer Narada Michael Walden and Brazilian guitarist Oscar Castro Neves. A planned collaboration with John Mayer did not pan out because of scheduling problems. Fans -- who could download the full album beginning September 27 at all major online music sites -- will find more than just the new studio recording awaiting them. A week before the album's in-store date, a new boxed set of Wonder material will be available exclusively from iTunes. According to Motown president Sylvia Rhone, the boxed set will contain more than 570 tracks, including remixes, rarities and previously unreleased material. Wonder also appears on J Records' "So Amazing: An All-Star Tribute to Luther Vandross," dueting with Beyonce on the title cut. Reuters/Billboard Copyright © 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.