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No there are more! He`s maybe one of the best but he isn`t the only one! Of course there's quite a few more but Will's the most popular one that keeps it true, the other ones just don't get recognition at all is basically what I mean. Yeah well you could mention De La Soul and The Beastie Boys and stuff.. Yeah they're awesome but I don't think they're that known on the commercial scene right now, well maybe Beastie Boys since basically all their albums go platinum, I was more referring the commercial scene where you have a bunch of wack crews with the fame and glory, but when it comes down to it, crews like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Hieroglyphics, Wu-Tang would destroy these crews in a battle, somebody gotta get them on a popular label so they could take over the game.

No there are more! He`s maybe one of the best but he isn`t the only one! Of course there's quite a few more but Will's the most popular one that keeps it true, the other ones just don't get recognition at all is basically what I mean.

I agree basically what Turntable said there, a lot of serious songs just ain't popular, singles like "Just The Two Of Us" is once in a lifetime thing, serious songs don't do too well on the charts, JJFP released "Twinkle Twinkle"(I'm A Star) as a single which didn't have the success of "Boom!" but it's easily better, rappers that release only conscious songs ain't popular(KRS, Common, Nas) "The Rain"'d been a good 3rd single for credability but it might not have been a hit necessarily, even Kanye's song about the blood diamond conflict didn't get the airplay that "Golddigger" is now but I think that track has more credability than "Golddigger" does, I think 3 of the 5 singles he released for "College Dropout" were club songs if I'm not mistaken too, club songs are more marketable to get albums to sell, I think that the people who bought the album clearly would tell you that "The Rain" is better than "Will 2K" but credit has to be given to "Will 2K" to get a lot of people to buy the album where they'd be able to see how versatile Will is, "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" did that for "Big Willie Style" too, as much as we know it ain't his best song, it opened him up to a larger fanbase to see how versatile that album was, I think the people who say that Will's just a club rapper never took time to listen to the albums, that's stupid as sayin' LL only makes love songs, you can't judge artists off of just singles, but there are a lot of commercial rappers who just make the same club songs or potray a lame gimmick throughout their albums that just ain't that good.

The people who buy the albums take Will seriously, the ones that hate on him are the ones that think "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" was the first song he ever made so I don't take their hate seriously. :stickpoke:

Will released "Just The Two Of Us" as a single which is one of the deepest songs ever released in rap history so I think a lot people do take him as a serious rapper already, I think "The Rain" could've had that same impact if it came out, I think the millions of people that bought the album appreciate it already though!

I wish it was JJFP comin' to New Jersey instead of Jay-Z, I guess Jay-Z does have a legit beef 'cause Def Jam ain't the powerhouse of hip-hop like I stated earlier but G Unit and Shady Records suck too, commercial rap bores me, all these suckers are only in it for the money, Will's the only one keepin' it real, he makes a lot of money but he puts his skills first on his priorities.

I remember the album came out the same day as "Lost and Found", I thought they were on Bad Boy still, I only saw their video like 2 times on BET and that's it, they weren't promoted well at all, and yes Jay-Z is really president of Def Jam, even though it doesn't seem like it since he hasn't done anything big there yet since he was named, Mariah was signed before he was president so Jay-Z had nothing to do with her success, the only platinum artist that he signed so far is Kanye West, everyone else is flopping, Def Jam ain't looking like the powerhouse of hip-hop right now, he's losing to G Unit and Shady Records so he's gonna try to battle them probably.

Well if he's only president of Roc-a-fella, he should stop bragging about being president of Def Jam then, btw ain't 112 Bad Boy? I think that's Diddy's job to promote them. Ja Rule's supposed to be on stage with Jay-Z at that concert too so it's probably a no-brainer that they're gonna diss 50 Cent, 50's taking shots at Jigga too, everybody's fightin' to be the highest selling rapper, this is a joke, commercial rap is turning into wrestling.

Chuck D was on MSNBC on Thursday and he defended what Kanye West said, check the transcript to the show: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9365706/

Not to worry if there's no "Best Buy" in your area, it'll be released through every other retail chain on November 1st, I don't have to worry though since there's a "Best Buy" in my area! :1-say-yes:

"When I was born there was a rainbow formed with no sun Roy G Bid marking the path for the chosen one An angel, my grandma, told me before she died Smart folks don't need to put no cursing in they rhymes So from CD to TV to movies back to rhymin' My lifestats makes Jordan's six rings seem common Ya'll hate, I retaliate, just by being great Big Will the enemy of your mental state With the same rhyme I used to burn your idol in a battle To subdue you into saying, "Look, I don't wanna battle,"-Will Smith "I'm Comin'"

I don't care who he disses, he better release the Redman and DMX albums soon, if he doesn't then they might battle him too, lol, it's not they're new artists either you're talking about either, DMX has as many #1 albums as Jay-Z does, he deserves more love than what he gets and Redman been there longer than Jay-Z, over 10 years now, he's a great battle rapper too. That'd be a nice statement to bring some quality hip-hop back if he'd only release them, if he's gonna start making albums again, somebody else should be president of Def Jam 'cause he's doing a lousy job so far, those 2 albums were supposed to come out before Young Jeezy's, Foxy Brown's album should be out now too, she's better than Tiarra Marie. btw a lot of hip-hop fans, even a lot of Jay-Z fans think that Nas won the battle between them, they roll with Jay-Z though 'cause he has more appeal than Nas does, Nas is too conscious for a massive audience, he's like the modern day KRS, you could say Will might be able to sell more records too 'cause he's more of a feel good rapper than KRS is but they all got a lot of talent regardless, Jay-Z not a good battle rapper but Nas is not a good club rapper, FP and LL are the total package, they could rock a club and knock out mcs at the same time which is what seperates them from everybody else.

Diddy won some Grammies too so does that make him a great rapper? :chuks: I think Vanilla Ice won a Grammy too, Nelly won Grammies, Lil' Kim won Grammies, Mase won Grammies, and Ja Rule won Grammies, now are they really the most talented rappers of all time? Record sales and Grammy's don't judge the greatness of an artist, it's a popularity contest, only the highest selling albums win, if it was about talent "Code Red" and "Illmatic" would've won Grammies. "Encore" sold way more than "Lost and Found" but is it really better than "Lost and Found"? It'll probably winning a Grammy instead of "Lost and Found", Outkast's last album wasn't their best album, it only won 'cause it sold a lot, "Big Willie Style" ain't really Will's best album even though it sold a lot and won a lot of awards, "Code Red" might be his best and it was his least selling album. Around this time Nas, Common, 2Pac, Biggie, Public Enemy, MC Lyte, Heavy D, and a whole bunch of talented rappers got snubbed that'd all destroy Em and all those wack mcs who won if they battled! Will should've won the Grammy for "Willenium" too and LL should've won one for "The G.O.A.T." since they're both easily better albums around that time than "Slim Shady LP" and "Marshall Mathers LP". lol, 3/4 of those that won Grammies in the last 10 years suck, lol, Vanilla Ice was the only wack mc to win one before that, the golden age is over now!

:word: We could chill that talk for another 10 years at least! :lolsign:

It's a shame that things didn't work out with Overbrook with Will, he was planning on singing MC Lyte, who knows he coulda signed Public Enemy too since he's good friends with Chuck D and Flava Flav, I thought Jay-Z became president of Def Jam to help restore the label but it seems he's setting it up to sign less talented artists so that he looks better than all of them, look like he's shelving Redman's and DMX's albums 'cause he knows that they're better than his probably, lol, if he does it to LL though it'll be a war, lol!

This sounds like Jay-Z' is just dissin' these rappers just to get more fame and glory but we'll wait and see maybe he does really wanna improve hip-hop for the better not just himself, if he really wants to help change hip-hop he'd sign Big Daddy Kane, Heavy D, and Rakim to Def Jam, I think LL would if he were Def Jam president, I think Jay-Z' superior to Eminem, 50 Cent, and Nelly but there's a whole stream of less popular rappers with more skills or could compete with Jigga, but you can't deny the respect that he gets from a lot of them, but FP and LL are more respected since LL's "The G.O.A.T." and FP's "The Chosen One", at the end of the day every other rapper's bowing down to them including Jigga!

I don't know if BET has beef with FP or what, they haven't put it on their list yet since they premiered it last week, MTV might be our only hope, well I'll tune in, thanks for the news AJ! :thumbsup:

They haven't proven themselves? I could see maybe you could say that about Kanye West but Jay-Z has 9 albums and he does talk about real life issues just like Will does in some of his songs even though he dumbs down much more than Will does, but it's not a coincidence why a lot of JJFP fans like Jay-Z, Will says that Jay-Z is the one commercial rapper out now that he really respects too, Jay-Z respects Will as well, I wouldn't mind if they did a song together even though Jay-Z is far from the 1st person that I'd like to see Will work with but if he can't get with Wyclef, Nas, or Common, he could call Jay-Z if he needs a current rapper on his song but if you don't wanna hear Will wit Jay-Z on the mix, you don't have to listen, that's your opinion but Will likes Jay-Z too like it or not, it's just like the people that hate on Will and like Jay-Z they don't realise that Jay-Z likes Will too.

I hear Jigga saying that LL is a better rapper than him!So if he say`s why can`t people just believe it? :lolsign: :word: That's right I remember hearing Jay-Z saying that LL is the best rapper in the game right now when he being interviewed by Sway in 2002!

Remember that this is a JJFP site Frenetic not a Roc-a-fella website! :stickpoke: :lolsign: Will's clearly had a longer and stronger career than Jay-Z, you could tell through some of the songs released that he's influenced from Will and maybe that's why a lot of JJFP fans are Jay-Z fans too, "Big Pimpin'" is a "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" type song, "Girls Girls Girls" is storytellin' like "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble", he's been influenced by LL too, "Excuse Me Miss" sounds like an updated version of "I Need Love", without Will Smith or LL there'd be no Jay-Z, he's done some original things of his own but there needs to be respect to the originators! I don't like it when MTV says that Jay-Z' a better rapper than Will Smith and LL but the truth is they were the first rappers to get airplay that influenced Jay-Z and many of the rappers to come out, even Eminem was influenced by JJFP. Jay-Z wouldn't say nothin' to diss them either 'cause he knows that his career would be over if he did, he gives them props too.

:word: Jay-Z did put his mark on the commercial level but he's nowhere near Will to me, Will could easily finish off these garbage mcs but they ain't on his level so he's smart enough not to hype up their careers by mentioning them, the punchlines on Will's albums are more superior than anything a battle rapper could dream of, Jay-Z would look embarassed if they end up beating him, lol, he's not as invincible as he claims he is, he won't impress me unless he could beat a rapper on the level of Nas and DMX, he should just stick to making songs and stop battling 'cause that's what he's good at, I don't think his punchlines are that superior, they're ok compared to wack rappers though, he got a lot of fans already and he shouldn't do something that might hurt his appeal, you think I'd be worried about battlin' a no-named rap crew like Dipset if I sold over 20 million albums? lol People know that the real president of Def Jam is LL Cool J, 20 years of consistancy, he makes great songs and could battle too, beating battle rappers like Kool Moe Dee and Canibus, not even Jay-Z could match that!

Well those would all be one sided battles, Jay-Z could easily finish them off, they're irrelevant, he should focus on promoting Def Jam artists instead of wasting his time on this if he wants to be respected as an executive, he said that he's more than a rapper, it's time to be a bigger man and prove it, these wack mcs can't touch him so he should just "Wave 'Em Off" like Will does, I wanna see him release DMX' album sometime this year and it'd be nice if LL's comes out sometime next year as well, and if he wants to release something he could do it too though. EDIT: 50 Cent disses Jay-Z in King, he barked up the wrong tree this time, lol: http://www.king-mag.com/05oct-nov/features/index.html#1 Maybe it’s the Hova-worship overkill, or his own intensely competitive spirit, but 50 Cent is puzzled by all the fuss over Jay-Z’s performance in the Fade to Black documentary. In the back of his customized, bulletproof black-on-black SUV, he watches Hov’s reflective opening monologue over the nighttime New York skyline on the plasma screen partition. “My whole career, I’ve been thinking of a night like this,” Jay proclaims. “I ain’t trying to get too dramatic on y’all, but that night, I felt like the luckiest man in the world.” Expressionless, 50’s blank stare punctures his present company: “Yo, you think he wrote that himself?” Later, as a sea of sparks flood the stage onscreen, he compares Jay’s retirement (one show) to G-Unit’s Anger Management three-stage show (20 dates nationwide). The other shoe finally drops: “It’s Madison Square Garden,” 50 shrugs. “I do shows like that all the time.”

I was starting to like Jay-Z too but now he's sounding like a punk, I'm sick of all this beef, he's probably doing this to hype up an album he's working on! :paperbag: What does Jay-Z have to be so mad about, isn't he one of the most respected rappers already? Damn, what does he want? Nas is the only rapper that dissed him who's respected, everybody else is a joke, Jay-Z don't have to waste energy on them. As a Nas fan I'm a lil' dissapointed that he made a song dissin' 50 Cent 'cause 50 Cent is garbage and is not worth the time. On the other hand if he's dissin' 50 Cent then I'm all for it, lol, somebody has end that punk's career, maybe since Jay-Z' more popular it'd work, Jay-Z could use his popularity to knock G Unit rappers out the game, but these beefs are boring on the most part, KRS should come out and rip all of them fake rappers, I wanna see skills not rappers cursing each other with meaningless punchlines.

There's only about 5 rap albums that went platinum though which were all more hyped than Will's, Game and 50 had their beef, Kanye got a lot of critical acclaim, and Black Eyed Peas are radio friendly, Will's sold his records the old fashioned way through word of mouth from skills that weren't overhyped surviving the hate from the media and the resistance to play "Switch" on black radio(which is listened by mostly whites anyway now, it's just another version of pop radio, lol), there's less interest in commercial rap now so it ain't only Will struggling to go platinum, I think there's quite a few albums that were promoted better than "Lost and Found" but yet they all sold less than him, if Will had the type of hype Common had with magazines giving him perfect ratings he'd gone platinum already just like Kanye did with his hype but Common needed that to do Will Smith numbers since he didn't have that much of a fanbase to begin with, Young Jeezy and Bow Wow have videos getting more airplay than "Switch" and yet they ain't gold, Tony Yayo's part of the G Unit gimmick machine but he might not go gold either, Missy ain't gold either and she won an MTV video award and Will wasn't even nominated, looks like Will's gonna be in the top 10 selling rap albums of the year at the worst which is great considering there's 100s of albums released, a lot had stronger 1st weeks than Will but they fall off the charts in a couple months, this album had legs to stay for a good 6 months, which is rare now, it could still push 700-750K if "Party Starter" gets a lot of video play too, "Tell Me Why" comes out and it could do 850K-900K by the end of the year and go platinum in the US by next year, it's platinum worldwide already, this was a good comeback album, every rapper that came out when he did wish that they could put up the type of numbers he's had, Rev. Run probably won't push 100,000, I wish it could go back to the days where quality sells not gimmicks or just acclaim by the media but that ain't happening. :worried:

I hope he doesn't run for president as much as I'd like to see him be one but in reality politicians are liars and cheaters and Will is above that, I think he should just keep on being an entertainer, politics seem stressful! If Will was seriously gonna consider running for president, he'd have to focus on running for other political offices first and work his way up, that's how politics work, you can't just come from being an entertainer and then run for president, it doesn't work that way, so he's gonna have to quit entertaining in a couple of years and run for alderman and then work his way up to run for president in like 2016 or 2020, besides there's been a lot of experienced black men in politics that can't get on the final ballot, I think it's a long shot at the most so Will shouldn't even waste time on it, entertaining is the best way for him to be a role model.