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Well let's be realistic, Will has a better chance of winning an Oscar than he does winning a Grammy at this point, I mean if more people went out to buy the album when it dropped he'd done the tour this summer but that didn't happen that way, he's only done a few shows here and there to satisify the few people that listen to him now and he also did the DVD too so he's doing things to satisfy us fans, if the album gone double platinum a tour would've went into effect 'cause there's a big fanbase that'd demand a tour, I think he'll eventually do a tour for loyal fans but right now there's more fans demanding for him to do another movie than there is for him to go on tour, releasing albums every 2 or 3 years is actually better than just doing an album every 5 years and just chill like Rakim or Slick Rick does, doing shows for their few fans in between, Jazzy Jeff is always busy doing something too when Will does movies so it's hard for them to get together like they'd when they were 20 and were single just doing tours when they came out, they got more obligations now.

I got into hip-hop listening to "All World" and "Big Willie Style" so I'm always gonna have a personal bias of FP and LL being ahead of everybody else(even Public Enemy and KRS 'cause I just got into them recent years) but I like a lot of other rappers too of all ages, skills is skills, I actually got Jay-Z' "Fade To Black" DVD recently, he could rock a crowd well and Kanye's following Jay's footsteps, it's also better for somebody to compare Kanye to Will than comparing 50 Cent to Will! Kanye's 2 albums are superior to 50's overrated 2 that's for sure, his albums have a spot in my collection while I wouldn't be caught dead bumpin' 50. :word: It's all about preference, it's like who's better Michael Jackson or Usher? Shaq or Wilt? Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali? All these cats got talent and fans! btw, I don't think "Lost and Found" is Will's best album either, that crown goes to "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" 'cause it may be ol' school but it's musical genius, Jazzy is an awesome producer and turntablist that compliments Will's rhyme skills the best, I think LL should do some songs with Marley Marl again too 'cause that's when LL was really on top of his game, Timbaland and Pharrell are great but Marley Marl's production is superior, "Lost and Found" is lacking Jeff too much to call it most superior, I think "Willenium", "Homebase", and "Code Red" come closer, and I think when Will becomes too serious it's time to retire 'cause an album without a fun FP club track would be like an LL album without a love song, a PE album without a political song, Slick Rick without storytellin', it's his personna. Naturally I'd feel a lil' dissapointed when they rank "College Dropout" and "Blueprint" in magazines as top albums of all-time ahead of "Mama Said Knock You Out" and "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" but Jay and Kanye fans would feel the same way if their albums weren't mentioned, that's why we like what we like, agree to disagree, that's why there's forums, I always get into debates too about "Willenium" being better than "Marshall Mathers LP" to those I know that're Eminem fans but they can't deny that he sucks now "Lost and Found" wins hands down against "Encore" and they'll admit it. :stickpoke: :lolsign: Bottomline, JJFP and LL deserve the most respect 'cause they went platinum at a time where only Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna would get airplay on top 40 radio, they wouldn't play hip-hop, it's not like now when every rapper on a major label goes platinum where they all get as much spins as Britney Spears on top 40 radio.

Basically if you're more into new school hip-hop you'd like Kanye West better and if you're more into ol' school hip-hop you'd like LL Cool J and Will Smith better, now you could compare Jay-Z to LL Cool J and Will Smith if you want 'cause he's done a lot of things that they've done, he's released 9 albums: some good some great and a couple average in between just like Will but I prefer Will over Jigga 'cause I'm an ol' school hip-hop fan that respects the history but Jay-Z has followed the same path and done some original things of his own too with his clothing line and sneakers that I see a lot of kids wearing where Will has dominated the box office, has a classic sitcom, and was Oscar nominated on the side of his 9 albums, both are renaissance men, Jay-Z also proved that he could do a great album like "Mama Said Knock You Out" without guest appearances when he did "The Blueprint" but I prefer "Mama Said Knock You Out" 'cause of the reason that I'm more of an ol' school hip-hop fan, they all have millions of fans, it's just who you like more I guess, Kanye is a work in progress though no doubt.

Cardinals suck, Emmitt Smith retired and Kurt Warner is garbage now, that actually was a smart move by the Giants to get rid of him and have Eli start, he gives them a more of a chance to compete but let's see the Giants beat the Redskins one time this year and then they might have a chance! :stickpoke:

I think "10", "And In This Corner...", "Born To Reign" and "14 Shots To The Dome" are better than Kanye's 2 albums and they're FP and LL's worst, he might have some flow but he ain't no LL.

To say Kanye's better than Will is biased too, "Golddigger" is more corny than "Switch", Will's rhyme structure and flow is way more advanced than Kanye's too 'cause he's a lot more experienced, I'd say Will at 20 years old is better than Kanye now too, Will's been rapping for 20 years, Kanye's been only been rapping for what, 5 years at the most? How could you compare somebody with 9 albums to somebody with 2 albums, that's an insult, you could compare Will to Casual more realistically 'cause he's been rapping for 12 years but the only one you could realistically compare Will to is LL Cool J, you want an album similar to "Lost and Found", check out "The G.O.A.T.", that's one of the most versatile rap albums ever that tackles many different topics, LL question to state of the rap game on "Back On Where I Belong", he didn't have all the top producers on there either like his recent ones but the rhyme structure and flow is much better.

If you wanna compare somebody's album to Will's, you should listen to Casual's "Smash Rockwell" 'cause that's a great balance album of serious and fun rap songs, he's closer to Will to when it comes to flow and rhyme structure, he could rip Kanye off the mic, "Single Mother"'s such a deep song!

Will's always talked about issues of his life and the world ever since "Code Red" basically when he started to open up more to personal songs when he was 25 and started having children and getting married so he started doing songs like "Can't Wait To Be With You", "Shadow Dreams", and "There's No Place Like Home", I think "Family Buisiness" sounds similar to "There's No Place Like Home" so you could say Kanye might be a fan of "Code Red" too, the reason why Kanye might put out mature songs now 'cause he's around that age now, he does fun songs in between too, he does remind of Will in some ways but I think Will's better than him 'cause he's more experienced, if he came out 5-8 years ago he'd just be doing club songs probably, before that on the other JJFP albums it was mostly feel good songs and storytellin', there's nothin' wrong with that even Rakim does a lot of that, everyone had their own style back then so it was cool to be a comedy rapper and for somebody else to be a political rapper at the same, each album that Will has done has a different concept to it, Will's miles ahead of Kanye lyrically, Kanye got the edge as a producer though of course unless Will decides to hit the boards. :lolsign: btw, it'd be dope if Will did more autobiographal and political tracks but I don't wanna see him get so serious and turn into KRS, he needs to still be the fun Fresh Prince in between too 'cause that's who he is and he better make sure that Jazzy produces the entire next album so it could sound musically better than any rap album out now. Do you listen to music or skim through it? "Tell Me Why" ain't the only serious song on there. What about "Loretta", "Could U Love Me", and "Ms. Holy Roller"? Remember that his first serious song was "Caught In The Middle" 14 years ago, this ain't nothin' new that Will's doing, he's just maturing with the music: Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Love and life a mysterious combo Sit back relax cause now its time to go Back in my past my personal strife for being Caught in the middle of love and life Love is a fairytale earthly bond But life is true but reality chimes When life brings on love is kind of hard for you to give up The satisfaction you started for This is a metaphor sort of a riddle If your confused chill and I'm sure it'll Clear up for you in a little bit Love and life and I'm caught in the middle of it The middle Caught The middle Who or why your love ain't always right Especially when you cross the path of life The wrath of life is hard Cause your taught to dream on But when your out in the world realities on You found somebody to be with You pour your lovin in and it seems as if Your pouring your love into a bottomless pit You love each other but it just ain't workin Your not meant to be together it seems like Well just think maybe its things like She work 9 to 5 you work 5 to 9 Never together two separate lives Love versus life see what I mean You like the movies she like the club scene Nobody's wrong and nobody's right Just caught in the middle of love and life Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Everybody wants to capture the rapture Love and live happily ever after Walking around barefoot sniffing daisies Laying around all day long making babies Go to france to dancin eatin in sweden Gambling in rio Winning cause your cheating These are situations you can have some fun in But open your eyes and real life comes running in Dreaming again a plateau to come down off Back to the world and see your love life sounds off Start the day right call your girlfriend But love and life start at it again She says baby I need to see you You say babe I got work to tend to Love tells you to go be with her But life says boy get your butt to work Think of love and life as a rock and a hard place Exhilarating like a high speed car chase Heart ache heart break cuts like a knife Caught in the middle of love and life Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) In the middle (in love) Caught (in life) (in love) Caught (in life) (in love) caught in the middle caught in the middle

I translated the first paragraph: Bad Boys; Independence Day; Enemy Of The State; Men in Black; Ali; I, Robot... Juscqu' here, the films of Will Smith has beem inflated with the male hormones. Its small last, Hitch - Expert in seduction, groups of X chromosomes.. Will plays Alex Hitchens there, known as - Hitch -, consulting in persuaded love that each man is able to allure significant which woman with the proviso of being caught there correctly. It is there that it intervenes, customising your first goal for a guaranteed success. With 45 million dollars in case after only three days of release in the United States, this comedy learnedly anchored in the air of time confirms once again the immense popularity of Smith, actor-moneybox which nothing seems to resist. After all, - Will -, in English, that wants to say volunté.

"Be, be, 'fore we came to this country We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys There was empires in Africa called Kush Timbuktu, where every race came to get books To learn from black teachers who taught Greeks and Romans Asian Arabs and gave them gold when Gold was converted to money it all changed Money then became empowerment for Europeans The Persian military invaded They heard about the gold, the teachings and everything sacred Africa was almost robbed naked Slavery was money, so they began making slave ships Egypt was the place that Alexander the Great went He was so shocked at the mountains with black faces Shot up they nose to impose what basically Still goes on today, you see? If the truth is told, the youth can grow They learn to survive until they gain control Nobody says you have to be gangstas, hoes Read more learn more, change the globe Ghetto children, do your thing Hold your head up, little man, you're a king Young Princess when you get your wedding ring Your man is saying "She's my Queen"-Nas "I Can"

I could help out too, I took some French in high school, I'm gonna look it over and see what I could do!

NFC Championship Game: Eagles over Panthers AFC Championship Game: Colts over Jets Super Bowl 40: Eagles over Colts

If "Lost and Found" had "The Definition"'s production it'd be a perfect album but at the same time if "The Definition" had "Lost and Found" type lyrics it'd be a perfect album too, there really ain't no perfect albums now so they're still both good enough to top Kanye, 50, and Eminem, but I wouldn't rank those albums up there with "Mama Said Knock You Out" and "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper", those 2 are flawless, even though I don't play them as much as "Big Willie Style" and "G.O.A.T.".

Of course, tell that to Em too who made fun of Will in an interview by sayin' that he has an Oscar and Will doesn't, well why couldn't the "Men In Black" song win one then? :stickpoke: If the Source only gives "Lost and Found" 3/5, I have no problem giving "Marshall Mathers LP" 3/5, that's actually being lenient 'cause I don't like it much at all but it was one of his most solid efforts, now his albums are disposable, I give LL's "G.O.A.T." 5/5 'cause I musta played that album over 1000 times in the last 5 years since it came out, I still shake my head in disgust that he didn't release "Homicide" or "Can't Think" as singles, that'd got him Grammy status and it'd be his highest sellin' album to date and be ranked right with "Marshall Mathers LP" as the best album of 2000, it was off to a great start by selling 250,000 the 1st week I think when it hit #1 but then it took like 4 months to release "You and Me", like Will he gets crap promotion, they released the worst songs on the album like "Willenium", I hardly ever listen to "Imagine That" or "You and Me", that'd sold 5 million easily with the right promotion, "G.O.A.T."'s probably my all-time favorite album right up there with Boyz II Men's "CooleyHighHarmony" that I musta played over 1000 times too, "Big Willie Style" also musta been played about that much too.

Like I said earlier if you take out "Blueprint", "Ready To Die", and "Marshall Mathers LP" and replace them with "Mama Said Knock You Out", "The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick", and "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper", it'd be a perfect list, of course replacing "Fear Of A Black Planet" with "Criminal Minded" would make the list even more perfect, KRS inspired PE's and everyone elses political side so he deserves more credit, how could you put Common and Nas then ignore KRS? "2Pacalypse Now" replacing "All Eyez On Me" would be the only other possible change I'd make, if I'd put any recent albums on the list it'd probably be from DMX, Wyclef Jean, or Lauryn Hill, I got no beef with Jay-Z but "Volume 2: Hard Knock Life" is way better than "Blueprint", the closest thing to a classic album he's done besides "Reasonable Doubt" so if I'd list any it'd be that one, here's how I'd rank a few albums: LL "10": 4/5 LL "G.O.A.T.": 5/5 LL "Definition": 4.5/5 Jay-Z "BluePrint": 3.5/5 Jay-Z "Volume 2: Hard Knock Life": 4.5/5 Jay-Z "Reasonable Doubt": 5/5 Eminem "Marshall Mathers LP": 3/5 Eminem "Slim Shady LP": 3.5/5 Eminem "Encore": 1/5 Biggie "Ready To Die": 3.75/5 DMX "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot": 5/5 Wyclef "Carnival": 5/5

I actually didn't hear Ja Rule's last album but a lot of hip-hop heads think that he beat 50 Cent when they battled, I think mostly everyone's better than 50 Cent though, he's one of the worst rappers ever, 'The Massacre' is an example of one of the worst albums ever, I don't think any of Ja Rule's albums were that mediocre.

Here's my picks: Sunday, Sep. 11 Chicago at Washington-Redskins Cincinnati at Cleveland-Bengals Denver at Miami-Broncos Houston at Buffalo-Bills New Orleans at Carolina-Saints N.Y. Jets at Kansas City-Jets Seattle at Jacksonville-Seahawks Tampa Bay at Minnesota-Vikings Tennessee at Pittsburgh-Steelers Arizona at N.Y. Giants-Giants Dallas at San Diego-Chargers Green Bay at Detroit-Packers St. Louis at San Francisco-Rams Indianapolis at Baltimore-Colts Monday, Sep. 12 Philadelphia at Atlanta-Eagles! :yeah:

There's no way you could sum up 25 years of recorded hip-hop albums with just 20 albums, you need at least 100, a fair 3-4 albums a year would summarise hip-hop history, maybe 5-6 in the golden years and 1-2 from each recent year where the quality's down, I think "G.O.A.T." might be LL's most versatile album ever even though it ain't as popular as the classics "Mama Said Knock You Out" or "Mr. Smith", he held his own with all the best of hip-hop at that time when he outshined all the top notch guest appearances on there and put Cannibus' career to the grave on that album, "The Definition" is like his "Big Willie Style" since it's a club album so I wouldn't use that to define his career but I'd still call it a solid effort better than mostly anything out within the last couple years but it ain't a timeless LL classic, I know he could do better though myself, maybe he needs some guest appearances on his next album like he had on "The G.O.A.T." to make him wanna outshine the comp again, he's done it all though basically, "10" was a lil' dissapointment after "G.O.A.T." for me maybe that's why I'm so hard on it but realistically it's better than any top album at that time and that's why he's the "G.O.A.T." his worst effort is better than most rappers' best effort, I'll put that up against "Blueprint" and "Marshall Mathers LP" production wise and lyrically wise. If this list is based on mostly sales then why ain't "Big Willie Style" on the list, many Pac heads don't consider "All Eyez On Me" his best album either and the most commercial from his as well Outkast's "Speakerboxx/Love Below" sold 10 million too, why ain't it there either? not many mainstream heads heard of "Southernplayalisticadillacmusik", they might as well list "Code Red" 'cause it sold about just as low as that and had as much street cred too, Soul Of Mischief's "'93 Till Infinity" was copied by a lot of today's popular lyricists including Eminem so it deserves to be mentioned too, that's another landmark album every hip-hop head should have. Why is DMX so slept on, maybe it's 'cause he does movies now too? :lolsign: He's had 5 consecutive muliti-platinum albums that hit #1 on the charts, "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot" and "The Great Depression" are hip-hop classics. Nas influenced 50 Cent??!! :rofl: If there wasn't Slick Rick, FP, LL, or KRS, there wouldn't even be no Jay-Z or Nas, I think it's important to list all the pioneers of rap first, if they really wanna educate commercial rap fans, they should list 20 albums from 1980-1990 and 20 albums from 20 albums from 1990-2000 and 10 albums from 2000-2005, that'd make fans of all ages happy! :yeah:

I think I need hip-hop flashcards to give me all the answers, here's a couple I know off the top of my dome: 12-Afrika Bambataa, I don't remember the title of the song though :lolsign: 73-1992, "Let's Talk About Sex" by Salt-N-Pepa

I think "The Definition" is a step above "10" 'cause it had more energy from top to bottom except for "Can't Explain It" that song's a lil' boring, different strokes for different folks, just like you think "Born To Reign" is better than "Willenium", but "10" wasn't all that bad I think "Big Momma"'s phenominal "Fa Ha" is a nice storytellin' track and I dig "Throw Ya L's Up", "10 Million Stars", "Mirror Mirror", "Clockin' G's" and "Paradise" too, you could always pick 6 or 7 dope songs from each of LL's 11 albums though just like Will's 9, I could say there was about 6-7 dope tracks on "Born To Reign" too, you can't say that about too many mcs, that's the problem with a lot of rappers now, they can't really make quality albums, they might have a hot single but the rest of their albums are wack.

They even had the nerve to give Eminem an Oscar for a movie playing himself( what a hard role! :lolsign: ) before giving an Oscar to any of Will's movies, Will's actually put out more albums than Rakim has in recent years despite doing so many movies so I don't understand why they can't give Will the credit he deserves, Rakim only put out 2 albums in the last 12 years, Will's put out 5 in the last 12 years, I don't know if Rakim or anybody could put out an album now on the same level as "Lost and Found", "The 18th Letter" is a lil' better than "Big Willie Style", "Willenium" is superior to "The Master" although I'd rank "The Master" as one of the 20 ahead of "Marshall Mathers LP", well "Paid In Full"'s better than any of the JJFP albums or any hip-hop albums for that matter so it's an even score I guess, lol, Rakim hasn't released much so it's hard to tell if he'd have a weak album like "Born To Reign", LL and KRS been putting out a lot recently still, LL's "G.O.A.T." and KRS "Kristyles" are on the same level as "Lost and Found" but I'd say LL's "10" and KRS' "Spirtual Minded" are about as weak as "Born To Reign" even though there all still better than the competition, 50 Cent and Eminem can't even touch those albums even if it's not their best though, those are the only guys besides that I could say that're possibly better than Will, I'm surprised they mentioned Big Daddy Kane, it's been a while since somebody mentioned any of his albums in the top 20, well deserved, he needs to comeback with another album, there's supposed to be one in the works but who knows if that'll ever come out.

They'd probably say "Marshall Mathers LP" was #1 and put "Raising Hell" at the bottom list if it wasn't in chronological order, it wouldn't surpise me since they name Biggie the greatest rapper, I'm sick of all these lists that ignore JJFP and put Eminem on all their lists, that's kinda funny though that Em says "radio don't even play my jam", that's a joke, they play his before anyone elses, they make it seem like JJFP didn't win the 1st rap grammy and Eminem did the way they ignore them now, Eminem is the Elvis of rap, they might as well start building his statue, f*** the media! :shrug:

My bad, but I think it'd kinda funny if Kanye got mad and started teaming up with everyone else that 50's battlin' right now, btw I just threw on "Venni Venni Vicci" a lil' while ago after having it sit there for a while but I could honestly say that I'm proud of owning that album, late '90s classic, he needs to be that aggressive again.

"My, my, my music hits me so hard Makes me say "Oh my Lord" Thank you for blessing me With a mind to rhyme and two hype feet It feels good, when you know you're down A super dope homeboy from the Oaktown And I'm known as such And this is a beat, uh, you can't touch"-MC Hammer "U Can't Touch This"