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Yeah I think the track enough is gonna win a lot of credablity in hip-hop for Will, it'll be interesting to see if it hits as big to the public audience like "Switch" did though, it's been rising slower than "Switch" did in its few weeks, it might get some spins on black radio and maybe a lil' less on pop radio so it might get a lower chart position, I think it could hit the top 20, I think the video'll get more airplay too though.

Dizze Rascals`Album(!)s,The Albums of The Anti Pop Consortium(!) are veery original! ← They weren't popular though so they didn't impact the industry, Jay-Z and Nas are the top mcs out now but they're doing the same things Rakim and Big Daddy Kane did before them not that I'm saying they ain't great but they just ain't Rakim or Big Daddy Kane, a lot of the most popular rappers are basically doing what's been done before except they're both more popular than they ever were, Fugees brought back the Tribe Called Quest sound except they were also more popular than Tribe Called Quest, Biggie and Pac sorta done what Kool G Rap and Scarface did before them too but they were also more popular. Now "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" was the type of album that had credability in both the suburbs and the streets and so was "Homebase" and "Willenium" but they didn't have the impact that "He's The DJ..." had since JJFP were on the scene already, "Code Red" had street credability but it wasn't huge in the suburbs and so did "Rock The House", "Lost and Found"'s the same way it's gotten Will's street cred back but it isn't winning over much of the public audience the way "Big Willie Style" but that didn't have street credability, "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" is the most universal JJFP album even though it didn't sell 12 million, it had a huge audience in the streets and the suburbs and I think it's important to have both 'cause hip-hop is universal, Nas sorta only has street credibility, Jay-Z has street credibility and a commercial audience so I could understand why MTV might rank Jay-Z ahead of Nas 'cause we see Jay-Z videos more and that's why they rank LL ahead of KRS. I love "Radio" too but I think Will had just as much skills as LL did at that time too when he was 16 but I think the one LL album that impacted the industry the most was "Mama Said Knock You Out" since it was a more advanced style of LL's maturity and lyrically too it was a step above "Radio" and won a Grammy for best rap album! :word: I think LL's skills were about the same as FP's then when they were 16, Rakim was a step above both of them lyrically but he wasn't as good of a storyteller like FP or passionate as LL, he was just a straight lyricist, Big Daddy Kane was too but he wasn't popular as any of them, it's hard to compare them 'cause they're all legends, it depends who you're a fan of more. Why doesn't Big Pun get any love? He was the 1st latin rapper to release a platinum album with "Capital Punishment", he was just as dope of a lyricist as Jay-Z and Nas were at that time too, if he were still living he'd be ranked right up with them as the top lyricist out now, this is only once in a career thing to have an album to change the game, I don't think "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper"'ll be outdone by JJFP no matter what they do, Public Enemy could never outdo the impact of "It Takes A Nation Of Millions..." either no matter how many more classics they'll drop.

Here's some of my fav. r&b albums since '04: Brandy "Afrodisiac" Brian Mcknight "Gemini" Mariah Carey "Emancipation Of Mimi" Boyz II Men "Throwback Vol. 1" Alicia Keys "Diary Of Alicia Keys" Jill Scott "Beautifully Human: Words and Sounds Vol. 2"

8, it was missing Jazzy Jeff and Ludacris and I've seen better videos from Will before, it's still the best video I've seen recently and I think it could be huge, the more I see it the more it might grow on me giving it a higher rating.

Here's Questlove's quote from the August 2003 issue of VIBE with Ludacris on the cover, he's old enough to know that "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" was a double album :stickpoke: : "Man I can't remember a summer in which I copped so many classics in a 12-week period. How many times did we rewind Public Enemy's 'Night Of The Living Baseheads'? The music that summer was jaw dropping. Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff did Philly proud by dropping a double album full of wit, skits, and turntable genius. And I ain't even gonna start on NWA." The truth is if it wasn't for everyone back then in the golden era the hip-hop industry wouldn't be where it is today, it was a collection of albums that changed the game whether you hate those albums or love them, "He's The DJ..." is the one album that impacted the most in JJFP's career, you could argue that "Code Red" and "Lost and Found" might be better but they didn't have that type of impact for JJFP, it was the one album that started their careers and boosted hip-hop to a higher level at the same time, everyone had their own styles too, hip-hop is too one dimensional now so the game now is changed for the worst, "The Chronic" was the beginning of the demise when it comes to hip-hop creativity, it's the last original one in my opinion, sure there's been classics since but not really original anymore.

Well other than "Lost and Found", I'd say Nas' "Street's Disciple", Common's "Be", LL's "The Definition", KRS-ONE's "Keep Right", and De La Soul's "The Grind Date" are all the best albums since '04 till now.

A lot of music consumers have a short memory about artists, you have to constantly display yourself through each album you do, especially 3 years after his last one that flopped, that's decades apart in the average consumer's mind, so for this album to do so well with such poor promotion is even more amazing.

Here's more details: Eric Gay/AP Photo National Guard Troops Land in New Orleans By ALLEN G. BREED Associated Press Writer NEW ORLEANS - Ragtag armies of the desperate and hungry begged for help, corpses rotted along flooded sidewalks and bands of armed thugs thwarted fitful rescue efforts as Americans watched the Big Easy dissolve before their eyes. Despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, a $10.5 billion recovery bill in Congress and a relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history, the chaos spred. "This is a national disgrace," said New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert. "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans." At the hot and stinking Superdome, where tens of thousands were being evacuated by bus to Houston, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses. After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on to the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen. Nearby, about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans Convention Center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults. "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon." Gov. Kathleen Blanco called people who committed such crimes "hoodlums" and issued a warning to lawbreakers: Hundreds of National Guard troops hardened on the battlefield in Iraq have landed in New Orleans. "They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," she said. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will." Bush was to tour the devastated Gulf Coast region Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign. By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town. Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was arrested. By late Thursday, the flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted with a population of 11,325, less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected. Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city. Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain. At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away. "There's a lot of very sick people - elderly ones, infirm ones - who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on," said Daniel Edwards outside the center. "We need to eat, or drink water at the very least." An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet. "I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people." FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses. In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the evacuees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings. Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell - it's every man for himself.'" FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order. Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence. "I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there." Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'" To make matters worse, the chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges. "They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Col. Henry Whitehorn said. Mississippi's confirmed death toll from Katrina rose to 126 on Thursday as more rescue teams spread out into a sea of rubble to search for the living, their efforts complicated at one point by the threat of a thunderstorm. All along the 90-mile coast, other emergency workers performed the grisly task of retrieving corpses, some of them lying on streets and amid the ruins of obliterated homes that stretch back blocks from the beach. Adding to the misery were tons of rotting shrimp and chicken, blown from their containers at a shipping dock and dumped into the water and onto the tattered landscape. Gov. Haley Barbour said he knows people are tired, hungry, dirty and scared - particularly in areas hardest hit by Katrina. He said the state faces a long and expensive recovery process. "I will say, sometimes I'm scared, too," Barbour said during a briefing in Jackson, Miss. "But we are going to hitch up our britches. We're going to get this done." ____ Associated Press reporters Adam Nossiter, Brett Martel, Emily Wagster Pettus, Robert Tanner and Mary Foster contributed to this report.

JJFP helped hip-hop be more acceptable to the masses the same way that Run-DMC, Rakim, and LL have before him who all took it further than Sugarhill Gang and Kurtis Blow, and JJFP took it further than all of them, I mean if they didn't change the game that means the ones you mention that came after them didn't change the game either, commercial rap fans act like Dr. Dre was the pioneer of hip-hop and nobody came before him. "Homebase" sold basically 3X platinum as much as "The Chronic" did too btw, "Summertime" is as big of a hip-hop classic as "Ain't Nothin' But A 'G' Thing", that did impact the industry, we're talking about the industry here right? We're not talkin' about who has most street cred like I said earlier, we're talking about who has impacted the public the most, I'm sorry but as much as I like KRS-ONE he hasn't really impacted the public that much but he has a lot of street credability, Nas is the same way, so is Tribe Called Quest, they never really had huge commercial success that their peers have had but we're talkin' about impacting the industry. I was 3-years old in '88 so all u ol' school peeps like AJ, Tim, 3cookies, and Schnazz should know did they sell "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" as a 2-cassette set? The media says it was the 1st double LP in hip-hop, maybe they just sell it as a single disc in recent years, I just got it a few years ago. btw, like fuq said female rappers don't count, u don't think Salt-Pepa, Queen Latifah, or MC Lyte had any impact? I think Eminem is the one that ruined the state of hip-hop, basically every commercial rapper that came out after him has been polluting the airwaves with meaningless songs. "Willenium" sold as much as "Slim Shady LP" too so it had to make some sorta impact! :word: btw, Turntable why'd u think LL's "Radio" was a game changing album? The only reason why I'd think so is that it also helped more people get into hip-hop just like JJFP did, NWA did, Rakim did, Public Enemy did, Run-Dmc, Salt-N-Pepa did, and MC Hammer did, it was a collective effort in the golden era and JJFP was a major part of it too, selling 1 or 2 million back then is like selling 10 million now so yes they did change the game, all of them as a collective effort, everybody since then sorta repeats what they've done, a couple other mcs that were under the radar at that time like Kool G Rap and Scarface were also a major influence on today's rappers but they never impacted the industry.

I ain't trying to be controversial, I'm just speakin' my mind here and I think Eminem is the Elvis Presley of our hip-hop generation, he's doing the same thing other black rappers did like 2Pac and Slick Rick did before him just like Elvis bit what Chuck Berry and James Brown did and gets more credit for it, this tells you about our society, the Beastie Boys are original, Eminem is not. btw, what came out 1st "Ain't Nothin' But A G Thing" or "Summertime"? "Homebase" and "Code Red" are just as dope as "The Chronic", it's just clean that's all, if you don't have a PA sticker on your album you're wack now. JJFP didn't only change the game they help create the game for what it is today, Jazzy's DJ'ing and producing and FP's rhyme skills make them the most unique individuals in hip-hop history, nobody can do what they do, they ain't easy to imitate, the shame is though that they're being forgotten 'cause of all this gangsta crap dominating, so it's even harder for Kurtis Blow and Sugarhill Gang to get props through today's commercial rap crowd so f*** the media. :stickpoke: I don't think there's nothin' left that could change the game now 'cause like the title of one of Nas' songs "No Idea's Original", hip-hop is lost. :shrug:

Who won the 1st rap Grammy? :stickpoke: "1st ever rap Grammy Let me show the only reason yo ass went to "Miami" Well maybe if more cats were influenced by JJFP the rap game would be better right now, instead of having all these 2Pac wannabes, if it wasn't for JJFP though none of these rappers today would be having the success they have, people are ignorant of the history, most of these albums y'all mentioned like "Slim Shady LP" and "Blueprint" shouldn't be mentioned either if JJFP shouldn't be, well since Interscope's not giving "Lost and Found" good promotion, it won't impact the industry either while people'll say 50 Cent is the groundbreaking rapper. :shrug: How the **** can you sell 30 million albums and not impact the industry? Most of the times to impact the industry you have to sell millions but sometimes not, I can't believe none of y'all mentioned Ice Cube's "Amerikka's Most Wanted" or Tribe Called Quest's "Low End Theory" either they didn't put up MC Hammer numbers but they impacted the commercial rap game a lot during that time too. I thought impacting the industry is what this is about in the topic, not about who got the most street cred for getting shot 9 times and selling drugs when they were growing up or having the most complex rhymes that don't make sense half the time, if it was then we'd mention Jay-Z, 50 Cent, and Eminem, like I said before DMX was the one that brought back the hardcore lyricism in the late 90s, not Eminem 'cause he came out 1st, he could outflow Em anyday, in fact I think he's the only commercial rapper in recent years with a flow the closest to Will's, as much as I like Nas I have to admit that DMX even kills him when it comes to emotion since Nas is too laid back most of the time, if you don't believe me listen to tracks like "Rough Ryders Anthem" and "Who We Be", he's the only rapper out there with such an aggressive flow, it cuts through you like a knife, I hope he outsells Kanye when his album comes out.

Well this what I think is the best verse on Eminem's "Slim Shady LP" from the song "Role Model", in my opinion it still doesn't outwit what Will has done, I think Will's verse on "Uhhh" is more on point than this so "Willenium" is better than "Slim Shady LP", checkmate! :stickpoke: : "Mic check one two.. we recordin? I'm cancerous, so when I diss you wouldn't wanna answer this If you responded back with a battle rap you wrote for Canibus I strangled you to death then I choked you again Then break your ****in legs till your bones poke through your skin You beef wit me, I'ma even the score equally Take you on Jerry Springer, and beat yer ass legally I get you blunted off of funny home grown Cause when I smoke out I hit the trees harder than Sonny Bono (Ohh no!!) So if I said I never did drugs That would mean I lie AND get ****ed more than the President does Hillary Clinton tried to slap me and call me a pervert I ripped her ****in tonsils out and fed her sherbet (Bitch!) My nerves hurt, and lately I'm on edge Grabbed Vanilla Ice and ripped out his blonde dreads (**** you!) Every girl I ever went out wit is goin lez Follow me and do exactly what the song says: smoke weed, take pills, drop outta school, kill people and drink And jump behind the wheel like it was still legal I'm dumb enough to walk in a store and steal So I'm dumb enough to ask for a date with Lauryn Hill Some people only see that I'm white, ignorin skill Cause I stand out like a green hat with a orange bill But I don't get pissed, y'all don't even see through the mist How the **** can I be white, I don't even exist I get a clean shave, bathe, go to a rave Die from an overdose and dig myself up out of my grave My middle finger won't go down, how do I wave? And this is how I'm supposed to teach kids how to behave?" Now here's "Uhhh" and see the difference of how a legend rips punchlines: "Been to the mountain top Down to the valley Philedelph to Cali Y'all feel me like Harry felt Sally Clothes exotic, flows erotic No jewels that's for them fools who ain't got it Rap to my own sitcom Now I just sit calm Watching y'all respond to my July 4th bomb (boom!) Yeah I'm a nice kid But here's some advice kid Don't get me hyped I'll set it off like my wife did Playing down a path like Sajak Wheel of a Fortune away Price ain't right I don't play Find yourself in Jeopardy The first clue What is Will Smith? Hot to death not you I'm like a Porsche, you a pinto You like a tiny figurine, I'm monumental You're like a small get together On your neighbor's back porch You know just a couple of y'all I'm a million man march Attack of the man in black Like Jordan playing on a train Yo my game on track Mad ice for my wife No care for what it costed Had to ease up though Her wrist got frost bit My style, flava, delivery, my diction Gettin' medieval like dude in Pulp Fiction You want some bring it Come one, come all, come in Watch me take they heart away like Penny I could take 12 rappers and put em' in line Then 12 emcees that think they can rhyme Then 12 more brothers that still ain't signed Then don't do nothing just watch 'em decline Gangsta hardcore, menace to society Raps all the same My pen spits variety Eclecticism is a virtue It may not be a word But it's definitely a virtue Rappers approaching me all across America Believe me you don't wanna battle like Erykah I was in the game before publishing was an issue You're platinum now but next year I'm gonna miss you Mad rappers like bad actors should have no parts Wanna be mad check the charts any of them Oh you don't see my name You don't see my spot Here's a hint Look closer to the top" Now somebody post a verse from the "Blueprint" album from Jay-Z with more punchlines than this, not many of these mcs today have more wit than FP! :chuks:

Maybe if Will released more singles "Lost and Found" would be doing Black Eyed Peas' or Kanye West's numbers since they're positive rap artists at least but still releasing the worst song on the album as a single and having the 5th highest selling hip-hop album this year is pretty impressive, now if we could get "Party Starter" and "Tell Me Why" to eventually come out over the next few months, it might be the 5h or 6th album to go platinum(assuming that Kanye West goes platinum still, maybe 7th or 8th at the worst if Outkast and DMX have big success again, I think Tony Yayo's gonna flop and start the beginning of G Unit's demise, lol, which'll lead to 50's movie floppin' too) by the time the year's over, it's gonna be a long road to platinum though 'cause even if the album jumps back into the top 40 it'll only sell about 20K a week and if you do the math you'll see that it still won't go platinum even if that happens, people just don't buy that much albums now, the main point is that Will's stil one of the highest selling hip-hop artists after all these years and that's a major accomplishment that shouldn't be taken for granted, I mean even younger rappers like Bow Wow and Cassidy can't even put up his numbers and more pressure's on them to do high numbers 'cause their labels'll drop them and they'll have a hard time signing somewhere else 'cause they don't have Will's resume and status to back them up, even Fat Joe has some security at this point since he has a couple of platinum albums, he'll be able to sign somewhere else if he gets dropped, Will doesn't have to worry about that though 'cause he's got a gold album at the worst case scenerio and that means Interscope must keep him since not many are putting up high numbers, it ain't just Will, like the Fugees said "too many mcs, not enough mics", over 100 commercial rap albums came out and Will's the 5th highest, that means he's outsold 95% of the rap game! :word:

Hey Lerk, I'm heading there now homie, next time pm me if u wanna holla at me, it makes it easier. btw, 2Pac is similar to Will in lyricism too, people hate on him 'cause he doesn't always have the most complex rhyme scheme but his songs have a lot of emotion that you can't deny. :stickpoke: btw Turntable, I do think Biggie's a legend for he's done to change the game but as my personal opinion I don't like his songs that much so I wasn't necessarily dissin' him.

Well the fact is that Will's a better songwriter than Eminem from the versatility in the topics of the songs he writes about is what makes his albums entertaining, each album has a different theme, Em sorta raps about the same things all the time he talked about before, it's nothin' new now although it wasn't groundbreaking in his prime either, Eminem is a freestyle rapper that writes complex rhymes, he ain't the first and the most effective to do that though either 'cause there are those like Rakim and Big Daddy Kane who can write great songs with their complex schemes I don't think they're quite as topical as Will is though, the thing is even though you're a great freestyler doesn't mean you could make great songs 'cause a lot of times Em overdoes it and the songs don't make sense, that's like sayin' if you're a singer you're gonna make the best album just 'cause you hit the most high notes, it takes more than just that, quality is worth more than quanity, it's better to spit 20 lines in one verse that make sense instead of spittin' a 50 line verse that doesn't make sense, I notice that too myself that my shorter songs I write now make more sense than the 5-page songs I used to write, I'd rather listen to a 3 minute song by Will instead of sitting through a boring 6-minute Eminem song, I feel the same way about Biggie's songs too, a lot of them sound annoying even though he has complex rhymes. Public Enemy's most known song "Fight The Power" and MC Hammer's most known song " U Can't Touch This" might have short verses but they're entertaining, I think the problem with hip-hop now is that everybody writes long verses but they're not entertaining, a lot of Slick Rick's verses are short too but his albums are like movies, you could close your eyes and see it unfold but you can't do that now with any popular album out now.

Well Eminem might be able to write more complex verses at times than Will but I don't think he could rap with the emotion of the flow that Will has, it takes more than just being able to write complex verses as an mc, Will could easily outperform him too, Eminem gets booed offstage a lot, Em sounds annoying half the time his rhymes could be complex but he says a lot of corny lines in between them that makes it sound ignorant at times Will's rhymes could be simple but they stay effective and to the point, Run-Dmc and Public Enemy might not be the greatest lyrical writers either but the emotion they put behind their songs can't be matched by today's mcs, I do think though Will's skills have evolved more than a lot of ol' school rappers have from then till now, the one rapper though from the ol' school that I'd say would be able to challenge Eminem lyrical scheme is Rakim, he's the total package, his verses are always on point and his flow is remarkable, take this verse from "Check My Melody": "So what if I'm a microphone fiend addicted soon as I sing One of these for MC's so they don't have to scream I couldn't wait to take the mic, flow into it to test Then let my melody play, and then the record suggest That I'm droppin bombs, but I stay peace and calm Any MC that disagree with me just wave your arm And I'll break, when I'm through breakin I'll leave you broke Drop the mic when I'm finished and watch it smoke So stand back, you wanna rap? All of that can wait I won't push, I won't beat around the bush I wanna break upon those who are not supposed to You might try but you can't get close to Because I'm number one, competition is none I'm measured with the heat that's made by sun Whether playin ball or bobbin in the hall I just writin my name in graffiti on the wall You shouldn't have told me you said you control me So now a contest is what you owe me Pull out your money, pull out your cut Pull up a chair, and I'ma tear **** up My name is Rakim Allah, and R & A stands for "Ra" Switch it around, but still comes out "R" So easily will I e-m-c-e-e My repetition of words is "check out my melody" Some bass and treble is moist, scratchin and cuttin a voice And when it's mine that's when the rhyme is always choice I wouldn't have came to ?set? my name ?around the? same weak **** Puttin blurs and slurs and words that don't fit In a rhyme, why waste time on the microphone I take this more serious than just a poem Rockin party to party, backyard to yard Now tear it up, y'all, and bless the mic for the gods" btw, what does rhyme scheme have to do with Game changing albums? Rakim's songs are entertaining beyond just the rhyme scheme, Eminem only has a rhyme scheme but that doesn't make him a great entertainer, I could write better rhymes than Will too but if I can't flow that well I won't be able to be as successful as him. I think Will's albums are more entertaining than Eminem's albums and that's the bottomline, you have to be able to enjoy the songs and that's what makes an album great.

I do think Will has more of a technical scheme than Em and in fact I don't think "Lost and Found" resembles that the best(even though it's still better than Em's crap lyrics now), I'd say Will raps with more emotions on that album but some of the rhymes are kinda short but the feelin' behind the rhyme makes it sound more enormous, I'd say "Willenium"/"Code Red"/"He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper"/ and even "Big Willie Style" albums resemble his lyricism the best, now does Em have a better verse with more punchlines than this one?: "We've won so many battles, people think it's a trick That when the crowd gets to judge it's US that they'll pick They see Ready's face and then they hear my voice To choose us as the winners is the natural choice Because battle after battle we remain on top Cause it's not the way we look, it's the way that we rock So if you thought you wanted to battle, bust this rhyme Just keep it and I'm sure that I can change your mind There was ten wack dudes trying to play high post One crew got bold and they began to boast But said, Y'all shut up and get back in line But they refused (what happened now) So now there's nine Nine wack crews tryin to rock like this They were bitin my rhymes and just couldn't resist I said please stop bitin, please don't imitate But they kept on bitin, so there's now there's eight Eight wack crews poppin big time trash Telling us that in a battle we can't last The battle started at 10:30 and by quarter of eleven was no longer eight crews (how many was their) There was seven Seven wack cruise in a football huddle Trying to figure out their next rebuttal They came out strong you'd think their The Ultimate but we just dissed em and dismissed, so now there's six Six wack groups, tryin to be tough Who the hell told em they could rock the mic like us We got straight down the business didn't pop no jive We just blew em out, so now there's five Five wack crews lined up in the hallway All perpetrating like they're read to play My secretary walked out, she asked for one more They got scared, and left, so now there's four Four wack crews outside playing around I said I'll take you wall on, now how does that sound? Not one had heart enough to pick up that mic I said, okay I'll let you go, psych That's the moral, of this story Never try to take me and Ready Rock's glory Cause if you do your future looks muddy Cause you just can't beat me and my buddy"

Well if you put it that way Eminem was a step above most commercial rappers out on the scene at that time but there some that were slept on then that could challenge Em, he has since fallen off from that and now mostly everybody's better than him.

:word: Eminem's not the originator, he's doing the same thing Rakim, JJFP, and Slick Rick have done but not quite on that level, nobody could really change the game now 'cause everybody's doing the same things already, I like RZA's tracks that I've heard more than Kanye's too. Yeah to say "The G.O.A.T." and "Lost and Found" are changing the game might be a stretch and a personal bias since they're my favorite albums, but I'll definately say they kept the game alive more than the higher selling ones recently have, there ain't that much out there with high quality skills, the rappers that sell a lot with just some skills get the most recognition and that's wrong when there's rappers that sell less that have more skills.

Maybe 'cause I ain't that much into Wu-Tang, I never heard that album but I got "Wu-Tang Forever" that I play once in a while, Wu-Tang are legends, I gotta give them props for that but they ain't my favorites. Well if you're looking for albums that're changing the game now, don't look at the charts 'cause it ain't like Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye West, or Black Eyed Peas are changing the game! :stickpoke: LL's "The G.O.A.T." did change the game 'cause it got LL's street cred back and knocked Cannibus out of the game, I take that album over "Marshall Mathers LP" or anything else that sold more that time, Cannibus' now just an average underground rapper, I like underground hip-hop but I don't think he really stands out even there, even his fans say that his albums suck now, Aceyalone and MF Doom could roast him. I think "Lost and Found" will be an album people look back on years from now and see was ahead of its time even if it doesn't sell as much as Kanye West or 50 Cent, let's keep it real an album selling 30,000 can't change the game, you have to have at least a few hundred thousand fans listen to you.

September 27th is a big day 'cause we get Jazzy's mixtape and Q-Tip's album, I think Skillz' album is coming on Sept. 13th, and Casual's next Tuesday so this is a big time for hip-hop albums! :thumbsup:

Yeah especially if this is on the AOL homepage this could be huge promotion just as good as it being on MTV, yeah Vipa's right too that "Outta Control" was debuted online too so maybe "Party Starter" could have that kinda success, be positive people! :word: Most of "Switch"'s success came from I Tunes too, not MTV or radio.

They were 2 of the 1st platinum rappers, if they didn't have success Eminem wouldn't blow up, gotta pay respect to those who opened the doors and were the originators, you know Em musta studied those albums along with "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" :lolsign: . That "Slim Shady LP" was probably Em's best commercial effort but I wouldn't call it game changing either, I don't think people are gonna say that it is years later like they do with "Paid In Full". Beastie Boys' "Licensed To Ill" also changed the game since they were the 1st rap artists to have a triple platinum LP, the 1st white rap artists to blow up commercially, it had a unique punk rock/rap sound to it that was never done before. BDP's "Criminal Minded" was KRS-ONE's most known album, his only platinum album, it was co-produced by the late great Scott LaRock, they put political minded hip-hop on the map. A few more game changing albums I say would be Fugees' "The Score", Wyclef's "The Carnival", and Lauryn Hill's "Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill", these were the albums that were an alternative to the gangsta rap in the mid-90s and brought back hip-hop versatility. Queen Latifah's "Black Reign" was the most successful album by any female rapper and the way she flowed on that album showed that she's one of the greatest rappers ever, male or female. Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" changed the game, maybe for the worst some might say, but regardless was artistic genious, a lot of gangsta rap artists came along since tryin' to immitate that but can't put up the genius that Dre did there. Now as far as Jay-Z, I think "Blueprint" is a lil' overrated, I think his best commercial effort was "Volume 2: Hard Knock Life", that's the album I'd say is his best after "Reasonable Doubt", this is when Jay-Z was on top of his game in my opinion, so many different styles on that album. I'm gonna say that Common's "Like Water For Chocolate" was one of the game changing albums in recent years, it's still his most successful album so I gotta make a case for this one, he brought a lot of soul there and his lyricism was top notch. Nas' "It Was Written" and "Stillmatic" both changed the game too, you could say "Illmatic" but it wasn't commercially successful.

How could you talk about complex rhymes and not talk about Eric B. and Rakim's "Paid In Full"? Listen to that album right now at this moment and it's better than mostly anything out still, it was ahead of its time. Rakim was the originator of this and this is the guy who Eminem and Nas looked up to for complex rhymes, he's made the most impact more than any other mc with that album. Slick Rick's "The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick" motivated mcs to make storytellin' lyrics, Slick Rick is the original storyteller no doubt. Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince's "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" was hip-hop's 1st double LP, half of the album was Will rippin' the mic and the other half was Jazzy on the wheels, this album changed the game and was the reason why JJFP are legends, this is personally the best JJFP album hands down. DMX' "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot" put NY hip-hop and Def Jam back on the map again, he had the game on lock when he came in '98 after spittin' that dope verse on LL's "4,3,2,1" bringin' hardcore lyricism back to the game when bling-bling was dominating, the first installment of 5 consective DMX albums to go #1 on the charts, now imagine if Cannibus was smart like him and never battled LL, he'd probably had the same opportunity that DMX had to blow his career up but now he's only known as the guy who battled LL.