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From what I've heard from that download I'd call this the best album since "Lost and Found", I'm gonna try to get this album right away when it drops! :thumbsup:

Isn't that Cedric The Entertainer? Wasn't he the voice on College Dropout as well? ← Bernie Mac was on "College Dropout", anyway nice commentary fuq I'm gonna probably get the album in a few months when the hype dies down just like I did for "College Dropout", only my favorite artists I buy right away.

I found a source, well Melle Mel never makes my top 10 now, I lost a lil' respect for him: http://www.daveyd.com/newsArchive.asp

I don't think the tour will happen....just my idea! I hope I'm wrong tho! ← I think it could still happen if Will says he doin' this for his fans he should try to find a lil' time to tour for us, I'd rather see him take time out to shoot more music videos and work on a JJFP album 1st, I'll probably have a hard time gettin' a ticket anyway, I'd prefer if he did a couple concerts in between and record them for DVD like the one he did for the "Hitch" DVD and maybe have different guests perform with him this time.

Hopefully it gets in the top 40 sometime this week and the music video comes out! :davidblaine:

I honestly don't believe this, do you have a source Lerkot? I think Melle Mel made the greatest rap song of all time with "The Message" and I don't see it in his character to say something this immature, I figure this would be something that'd be said by younger rappers, and if he's gonna criticise Rakim and 50 Cent, I mean what does he think about 50 Cent and Mike Jones? Rakim can't compete with them? please!! :noooo: Well then again as I remember, The Furious Five tried to sue Will over sampling "Superrappin'" for "Will2K", so I guess maybe this is just something Melle Mel is doing to get back in the spotlight once again, it's kinda low if you ask me, he's a legendary mc but he seems to be out of character.

Slick Rick feat. Nas "Me And Nas Bring It To Your Hardest" "Finally a change from these fake rap artists Me and Nas bring it to your hardest" I haven't heard this "The Art Of Storytelling" album for a while, damn what a classic, Slick Rick gets better with age, somebody gotta get him in the studio to record a new one! :mygod:

I think Melle Mel definately deserves more respect for what he's done as an mc but what he said about Rakim and 2Pac is disrespectful, Rakim knows how to rock a house and could easily outrhyme any of these chart rappers, there's nothin' wrong with not putting KRS on the top 10 of his list everybody has their own opinion so that's cool, and yes I think Pac is a lil' overrated myself but to compare him to Hitler is just stupid, this is something I wouldn't expect from Melle Mel, that is totally classless. :nhawong:

FP feat. Kel Spencer "Uhhh"

:iagree: Will said that he's doing the music to please his fans not to be the top seller and that's what's he's done with "Lost and Found", like I said earlier if people don't have the album by now that means they ain't fans, this is his 9th album, not many rappers have made that many and been in the game so long, we should be grateful that Will still wants to entertain us fans 'cause he doesn't have to, he could be greedy and just stick to making $20 million a film and abandon his music fans like Marky Mark did.

DMX feat. Stephanie Mills "When I'm Nothin'"

Ok let's see what I'd do, hmm, I'd probably do exactly what you said there, and I'd try to call Snoop out on the phone and tell him to perform "Pump Ya Brakes" 'cause that'd get the thugs into "Lost and Found" even though it's probably one of the worst songs on the album 'cause I know they'd like it, who knows I'd probably even try to convince them to shoot a video if the sales go up 'cause of their performances, I'd also get Nicole S. out with Will to perform "If You Can't Dance"(Slide) even though that's another one of the worst songs on there 'cause that'd add sex appeal. :interesting: The reason for these ideas would be that we need to promote the worst songs on the album 1st since they'd be the most popular then we'd hit the audience with "Party Starter" and "Tell Me Why" after 'Pursuit Of Happiness' when the album's triple platinum, that's what I'd do.

I hope so..It will definitly end when the Hip Hop hype is over..I`m waiting for that Days..I know then the Wack artits will flop cause they don`t havy any Hype Sels.. ← Yeah that's what I'm sayin', we need Will Smith and LL Cool J toppin' the charts and wack rappers like 50 Cent and Mike Jones floppin' in their sales but at this point it looks like a dream, hopefully people come to their senses before it's too late. ← We don`t have to worry about LL and Will and them.. 50 maybe sels 3 or 2 times after each other 11.000000 Albums but that`s becaus he lives on the Hype of Hip Hop that is going around the World right now more than ever.. He won`t sell over 20 years each time 1.000000 like LL and Will cause when the Hype is over 50 doesn`t have his Teen Fans anymore and Real Rap fans aren`t buying his stuff.. give the Hype 1 or 2 more Years and then it`s`over! ← I ain't trippin' over it 'cause real mcs like LL and Will have been and are around for the long haul, so when 50 Cent's career's ended they'll still be out there making classics.

I hope so..It will definitly end when the Hip Hop hype is over..I`m waiting for that Days..I know then the Wack artits will flop cause they don`t havy any Hype Sels.. ← Yeah that's what I'm sayin', we need Will Smith and LL Cool J toppin' the charts and wack rappers like 50 Cent and Mike Jones floppin' in their sales but at this point it looks like a dream, hopefully people come to their senses before it's too late.

....Maybe if Will promotes it for 5 years and releases every song as a single with all of his life savings! :lolsign: It took 2 years for BWS to sell 9 million and it never sold less than 50K a week for most of the time, "L&F" fell under 50K a week in the 1st month of release and at this rate 5 years sounds wishful thinking too, he released singles 6 months apart then, it's taking too long for "Party Starter" to come out and "Switch" didn't have the success "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" had when it comes to video play, MTV played "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" all day, they played "Switch" like 10 times altogether, it ain't '97-99 anymore, he was in the game for 10 years at that point so that was amazing it blew up like it did more than any of the JJFP stuff previously but this is a different time now and Will Smith doesn't exist in the mind of the average commercial rap fan like he used to, they don't even know that Jazzy Jeff still DJs, the media disrespects him too when they ask him where have you been? He only tours every year that's all. :nhawong:

I think the "The Golden Age" was from 1980-1993, it started with "Rapper's Delight" and after "The Chronic" came out things started going downhill, it wasn't Dr. Dre's fault 'cause it's a dope album but other great albums and mcs that came out at that time started to get overshadowed: the popularity of JJFP, Run-Dmc, Public Enemy, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Slick Rick, and KRS-ONE started to die, that's why JJFP's "Code Red" and Slick Rick's "The Ruler" get overlooked when talkin' about classic albums at that time, only the gangsta rappers like Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and 2Pac would get the most recognition, not that they weren't dope then, it was just the fact that the hip-hop game started becoming one dimensional and it wasn't "The Golden Age" where every rapper was accepted for their own styles, now I'd call "The Dark Age" since Pac and Biggie died 'cause I think basically everything popular from then to now will be forgotten years ahead while "The Golden Age" hip-hop will stand the test of time, you could buy an album from 15 years ago and still relate to it but you buy an album from last year now and it sounds outdated so don't trip so hard if "Lost and Found" doesn't outsell 50's "The Massacre" 'cause I think 10 years people'll like us who bought "Lost and Found" look back and say "damn I remember the way I felt back in 2005 when I heard it for the 1st time and it really touched my soul, I gotta throw it on right now for the 10000 time 'cause it still feels like the 1st time" while those who bought "The Massacre" will forget that they ever heard it 'cause it's just a phase in their life now that they'll gradually get over but real hip-hop lives forever.

Agreed... I don't think that we can speak definitively because none of us are sure of what the dynamics are behind the promotion of the album and we're not exactly sure of what the roles of the respective companies are. Promotion could have been, and can still be better. I hope none of ya'll are surprised... I've been saying that this could happen for a while now. ← I'm personally not surprised this could be expected, if there is a positive light out of all this I'd say even though "Switch" never made it to TRL or 106 & Park and get into heavy rotation like most rappers that have hit albums out, it still was able to be one of the top selling hip-hop albums this year, it didn't totally like it could've with what happened on "Born To Reign", of course it could be a lil' better if Will performed somethin' else but I really don't know how much better, the "Party Starter" video just needs to come out so we could see what happens, somebody has to release it, but since it's floppin' on radio and the album sales fell so much it might not get onto TRL and 106 & Park if there's not a huge audience behind the radioplay right now and there's lil' interest about the album, but it might too, they just have to try to release it, Will didn't really promote "Willenium" that much better either, he only promoted it for a couple months too and didn't have the tour he was originally planning to have but the album still went double platinum, more fans were interested in him back then too, this isn't his fault now, you can't force people that like that garbage out on the airwaves to like Will Smith, they're ignorant and that's the reason the rap game sucks right now, we got Will Smith and Common out there with the best albums this year but they're not sellin' as much as 50 Cent and Mike Jones, Common's gonna probably outsell Will a lil' bit eventually 'cause it seems that he's having a lil' better promotion with his singles but he ain't gonna do 50 Cent numbers either, which is a shame 'cause people need to hear that album too, that's hip-hop from the soul.

they still release albums u know. they've released i think 4 albums from 1998 till now. they just released an album this year called "Outlawz 4 Life". ← I borrowed "Novakane" from one of my friends in my high school a couple years ago who's a Pac/Outlawz fanatic, they got some good songs on there, he made me a tape of that, I haven't really checked out their other stuff but I'll take them over mostly any group out now, they are representin' the heart of hip-hop, "So Many Stories" and "Our Life" are such emotional songs, if you're a fan of "Tell Me Why" or "The Rain", you'd like those.

:word: I personally would rather listen to Fat Joe's "Get It Poppin'"(which I consider his worst song) over any of 50's corny singles too if I had to choose, 50 can't even put a good verse together let alone a good song.

Exactly, radio's already resistant towards playin' Will already, those other peeps that release many singles at once don't get rejected from gettin' played on the radio so you really can't compare Will to them, the singles could just cancel each other out and get no airplay, I personally wonder why it's taking so long for "Party Starter" to rise on the radio now though since "Switch" died a long time ago.

Thank you for going back on topic man, come on y'all we're already discussing about the "Lost and Found" situation on the Big Will forum, if anybody else talks about it here, I'll lock up this topic, thank you, I won't mention it no more here either, lol, the video didn't show, end of story. :daveuidiot:

are you serious? Will performed Switch over 20 times on so many shows..did concerts.. did interviews..thats the most hes done in probably 15 years.. Because Interscope delayed party starter so will couldnt perform it and promote it he's not gonna be able to do with party starter what he did with Switch.. I don't see why anyone should blame Will..he's done nothing but work tirelessly to promote the album..interscopes done nothing..except delay things and make it harder for him :damnlorettas: ← :word: This is more like "Code Red" situation, that was probably the best promoted JJFP album and this is the best promoted Big Will album, although sales might not reflect that, I think the problem is that most commercial rap fans don't give Will a chance and just like that gangsta crap, I've been on a lot of commercial rap fans and it's quite hard to persuade them, even when I show them the lyrics to "Party Starter" to still call Will a fag and think he's soft, I could even post up a couple of them if you want me to, they're just too ignorant to give him a chance.

I see what you mean man...i've got that same feeling! To Ted, Will said that he would be doing music for like 6 months or so when Lost & Found came out! Why couldn't he have done it for a whole year? No movies, no nothing, just music...going on tour, making video's and some remixes! Putting your album out there and only releasing one single is not going to help you sell more records! People went out and bought the album because of Switch, if Party Starter was released in June/July people who didn't buy it when it dropped could have bought it then! And yeah, Will did some performances, but what did he do? He did Switch and Summertime everytime...please man, he had a new cd out with hot, fresh songs...he could have done Party Starter, I Wish I Made That and even Tell Me Why if he really wanted! Tell Me Why would have been perfect on Live 8! But once again he did Switch and Summertime! How the hell do you want people to buy your album if all you perform is the same old single? :shrug: ← Well doesn't 50 Cent's songs all sound the same, I don't get what would make so many people wanna buy his album? Common's doin' a lot of performances right now, set to go on tour, released a couple remixes along with his 2 singles, plus is set to release another video, so is he platinum yet either? Will could perform the whole album and some people would still not wanna hear buy it 'cause they love 50 Cent. I think the album should've sold more when it came out, it had a horrible 1st week, only 90K sold, it should've been gold the first week. Not that many people wanna see hip-hop back to the golden days, face it man.

Even if Will releases 5 singles in 3 months that doesn't mean that the album would do 50 Cent numbers not 'cause he can't compete with 50 Cent but more people love gangsta rap, ← I've never said he'd do 50 cent kinda numbers ted. And I don't think anyone can know that for sure cause will didn't do it. Listen, it's been almost 5-6 months since the album release, how many rappers, I don't care if this is gangsta rappers or any kinda music singer, who sold 500k on only 1 single for a period of 5+ months. If 1 singer can do it like this, I am quite sure with good marketing that album would have sold a couple platinums, maybe 4, maybe 6, maybe even more then 50, that's something we can't discuss about cause we don't know. But 1 thing is for sure ted, if your album only gets to release 1 single for a period of 6 months, and you still manage to sell 500k + (actually will achieved these numbers quite fast 3 months orso) then that's HUGE. With good marketing it would have sold a couple platinum, and with a good quantity of quality HIT songs in the album, you just can't go wrong. Just cause the majority of the music industry loves gangsta rap, doesn't equal to the fact that you can't outsell 50, or even be close to those kinda numbers, I for 1 strongly believe that with a strong marketing will smith's latest album L&F would have been multi platinum. I rest my case ← You don't realise all the hype the album had when it came out? It should've sold 500K the 1st week like all the gangsta rap albums do but people didn't want it like that, I think 50 Cent sold 900K the 1st week it was released, it's been 5 months since "Lost and Found" came out so that means it should be multi platinum already, he waited months to release singles for "Big Willie Style" and even did filming in between, less performances on TV too, he got married in between as well, and the album still did well 'cause Will was more popular then, he ain't that popular now in music and no matter what he does he still won't be sadly, I wish that he was still, don't get me wrong, but millions don't feel that way so it ain't happening. Will spent more months promoting "Lost and Found" than he does promoting movies 'cause people go out to see his movies right away but to get people to buy 'Lost and Found' is like pulling teeth. btw, what's so unique about 50 Cent's singles? They all sound like the same song to me, like Fat Joe said when he dissed him, "Is it just me or doesn't "Candy Shop" sound like "Magic Stick"?", he's not really releasing anything different for people to wanna buy the album, they're all club songs that ain't quality either, I think "Switch" is better than all of them, people just buy the album 'cause they like him, Will could release different types of songs from the album and still not many people might not wanna buy it 'cause they don't like him, people don't buy your music 'cause they like your single, people buy it 'cause of your image, Will did release different type singles for "Big Willie Style" but people liked him and were more open towards positive rap at the time of Biggie and Pac's deaths so they embraced Will then, but now people don't wanna buy an album that doesn't have curses in it since 99% of albums have parental advisory labels and all the ones that've outsold Will do have 'em, not many want hip-hop to go back to what it used to be like we do.