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Spin Magazine Picks Radiohead CD As Best By JAKE COYLE, Associated Press Writer Sun Jun 19, 2:24 PM ET NEW YORK - Spin magazine named Radiohead's "OK Computer" the top album of the past 20 years, praising a futuristic sound that manages to feel alive "even when its words are spoken by a robot." The British band's album edged out Public Enemy's "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" and Nirvana's "Nevermind" on a list in Spin's 20th anniversary issue, currently on newsstands. "Between Thom Yorke's orange-alert worldview and the band's meld of epic guitar rock and electronic glitch, (`OK Computer') not only forecast a decade of music but uncannily predicted our global culture of communal distress," reads the editorial note on what separated the 1997 disc from the other 99 ranked albums. Sandwiched between Radiohead's straight-ahead rock disc "The Bends" and the more experimental, electronic "Kid A," "OK Computer" was the album that propelled Radiohead to worldwide, stadium-sized popularity. Though it never went higher than No. 21 on the Billboard charts, it won critical raves and a Grammy for best alternative music performance. Spin's Chuck Klosterman says the album "manages to sound how the future will feel. ... It's a mechanical album that always feels alive, even when its words are spoken by a robot." Years earlier, Spin ranked Nirvana's "Nevermind" the greatest album of the nineties. In the time since, however, editor-in-chief Sia Michel and others simply found they were reaching for "OK Computer" more than the slightly less relevant "Nevermind." "Whereas when Nirvana came out, everybody was talking about negation and slackers and everything like that — seven years later, it was the dot-com boom and 22-year-olds were making $80,000 on Web sites," Michel recently told The Associated Press. Also in the top 10, in order, are Pavement's "Slanted and Enchanted," The Smiths' "The Queen is Dead," Pixies' "Surfer Rosa," De La Soul's "3 Feet High and Rising," Prince's "Sign `o' the Times," PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me" and N.W.A.'s "Straight Outta Compton." The entire list of 100 is just as eclectic; a photograph of an atypical trio of Dr. Dre, Bono and Beck dons the issue's cover. The amount of hip-hop on the list may surprise some (25 albums in all — 26 if you count Rage Against the Machine), given that Spin is predominantly a rock magazine. Michel, however, points out that Spin started several years before hip-hop mag Source was founded: "We put hip-hop on the cover before anyone else did." "Because we started this list in 1985, we pretty much hit hip-hop in its golden age," she says. "There were so many important, groundbreaking albums coming out right about that time." After gathering suggestions from everyone at the magazine, a tribunal of Michel and editors Jon Dolan and Charles Aaron sorted out the ultimate records of "the Spin era." Their criteria, Michel says, was the basic brilliance of the record, its innovation and its overall relevance. "Relevance doesn't have to mean it sold 10 million copies," she says. "Someone like the Pixies never really sold records, but Nirvana has said it wouldn't exist without the Pixies." Both the approach and content stands in stark contrast to fellow rock magazine Rolling Stone's 2003 issue on the top 500 albums of all time. Topping that collection was the more hallowed (and less surprising) like of the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Bob Dylan and the Rolling Stones. Some of the most recent entries to Spin's list are 2004's "College Dropout" by Kanye West, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs' 2003 "Fever to Tell" and Wilco's 2002 "Yankee Foxtrot Hotel." Of course, judgments of these kind are always subject to debate. "The art department was just railing against us all the time and campaigning against things," says Michel. The lack of inclusion of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, she says, pushed them to the brink: "That was a band that the art department was like, `You guys are crazy! Don't even talk to us!'" 1. radiohead - ok computer 2. public enemy - it takes a nation... 3. nirvana - nevermind 4. pavement - slanted and enchanted 5. the smiths - the queen is dead 6. the pixies - surfer rosa 7. de la soul - 3 ft high.. 8. prince - sign o' the times 9. pj harvey - rid of me 10. nwa - straight outta compton 11. u2- achtung baby 12. beastie boys- paul's boutique 13. husker du - new day rising 14. sonic youth - daydream nation 15. liz phair - exile in guyville 16. beck - odelay 17. nas - illmatic 18. guns n roses - appetite for destruction 19. hole - live through this 20. wu-tang clan - enter the wu-tang 36 chambers 21. public enemy - fear of a black planet 22. my bloody valentine - loveless 23. outkast - stankonia 24. sleater-kinney - dig me out 25. nine inch nails- downward spiral 26. bjork- post 27. the cure - the head on the door 28. oasis - definitely maybe 29. fugazi - 13 songs 30. biggie - ready to die 31. dinosaur jr. - you're living all over me 32. the replacements - tim 33. ice cube - amerikka's.. 34. elliot smith - either/or 35. dr. dre - the chronic 36. pixies - doolittle 37. guided by voices - bee thousand 38. a tribe called quest - low end theory 39. lucinda williams - lucinda williams 40. run dmc- raising hell 41. smashing pumpkins - siamese dream 42. jane's addiction - nothing's shocking 43. bdp - criminal minded 44. green day - dookie 45. kanye west - college dropout 46. the fall - this nation's saving grace 47. eric b and rakim - paid in full 48. radiohead - kid a 49. lauryn hill - the miseducation.. 50. new order - low life 51. nirvana - in utero 52. beastie boys - licensed to ill 53. rage - battle of la 54. the breeders - last splash 55. the chemical brothers - dig your own hole 56. pj harvey - to bring you my love 57. white stripes - white blood cells 58. metallica - master of puppets 59. modest mouse - the lonesome crowded west 60. de la soul - de la soul is dead 61. weezer - pinkerton 62. missy elliot - supa dupa fly 63. pavement - crooked rain, crooked rain 64. eminem - marshall mathers lp 65. basement jaxx - remedy 66. outkast - aquemini 67. slayer - reign in blood 68. tricky - maxiquaye 69. dj shadow - endtroducing dj shadow 70. jay-z - the blueprint 71. the jesus and mary chain - psychocandy 72. raekwon - only built for cuban linx 73. pulp - different class 74. portishead - dummy 75. le tigre - le tigre 76. belle and sebastian - if you're feeling sinister 77. wilco - yankee hotel foxtrot 78. the stone roses - the stone roses 79. moby - everything is wrong 80. d'angelo - voodoo 81. beck - mellow gold 82. jeff buckley - grace 83. at the drive-in - relationship of command 84. soundgarden - superunknown 85. rem - automatic for the people 86. meat puppets - up on the sun 87. blur - parklife 88. stereolab - emperor tomato ketchup 89. yeah yeah yeahs - fever to tell 90. sonic youth - sister 91. xtc - skylarking 92. big black - atomizer 93. pearl jam - ten 94. slint - spiderland 95. elastica - elastica 96. the pogues - rum, sodomy, and the lash 97. neutral milk hotel - in the aeroplane over the sea 98. cornershop - when i was born for the 7th time 99. afghan whigs - gentlemen 100. the strokes - is this it

:word: Will's "Mr. Nice Guy" like that song so he doesn't want to end anyone's career but nobody could end his career and take his fame away, those that hate on him are beneath him and're only jealous. I don't think LL'll get involved in battlin' anymore either 'cause I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to call him out on a song knowing what he could do to them.

DJ Kay Slay feat. Nas, Foxy Brown, Baby, and Amerie "Too Much For Me"

I think it'd be better if everyone 50 Cent dissed on "Piggy Bank" did a track together rather than doing these tracks seperately and make a video dissing G Unit, it could be a posse track going back and forth like when LL Cool J, Prodigy, Foxy Brown, Fat Joe, and Keith Murray did the "I Shot Ya" remix. Nas, Game, Fat Joe, Jadakiss, with Kelis on the hook(she could make fun of Olivia, lol) would put an end to G Unit in my opinion.

Run-DMC "You Be Illin'"

Yeah that's "200 bars and running", u mean "300 bars and running" is totally different from "200 bars and running"? Did somebody on the internet actually wrote this? Well whoever wrote that has some skills, although I think I could write something better. :lolsign: I figured it was just an extension of "200 bars and running" but damn this dude's putting too much energy into dissing wack rappers, he should spend more time in trying to make a good album instead, I'm not gonna waste time to listen to 15 minutes of Game rapping unless I need something to make me sleep. If you could find the lyrics to Game's "300 bars and running" post them here, I only wanna see the lyrics.

Thanks for this, nice to hear Charlie Mack giving back! :2thumbs:

Out of all the G Unit diss songs, I think I like Fat Joe's the best, it was short and to the point:"I see Michael Jordan in the 'hood more than I see you", The Game did have a few good punchlines in there but it was too long, quality's better than quanity, regardless G Unit's getting burned pretty bad right now!

Thanks for posting that, Garfield rules! :2thumbs:

I said I doubt this Game song could be as dope as "Rapper's Delight", Game's just sayin' how much of a thug he is, that ain't what a battle should be about, I couldn't find the lyrics to "300 bars and Running" but I found lyrics to "200 Bars and Running" and I notice that most of those lines weren't even a diss to G Unit as I expected, it's just dragged out too far, this is nowhere near as good as "Ether", well check the lyrics http://display.lyrics.astraweb.com:2000/di...rs_and_running: [The Game talking] What the **** is all this noise? He from Cali he can't rap He ain't better than this nigga That's my favorite artist **** y'all hear the breakdown [Verse 1: The Game] No detox I'm comfortable dog Like the solo Reeboks right up under me dog And it feel like I done it before Sit in the throne pollutin the airwaves like a hummer exhaust Don't let Makavelli fool you homey thuggin it costs Pour out a little liquor for the loved ones that we lost You ain't gotta wait for the album I don't **** with The Source But I turn up my Eazy-E and let it bump in the Porsche I mean turn up my B.I.G. and let it bump in the Porsche Tell 'em to roll red carpet when he come in New York Hip-hop police on me think they runnin New York Till I lace my and1 show 'em how to run in New York They tryin to take me downtown put me under the court Cuz Joe Buddens told 'em I carry a gun New York And homey that's strictly fact he got ripped on wax So he snitched just to get me back No matter what you say dog your **** be whack You better watch what you say it might get you clapped Here's a little advice homey switch your raps Cuz that **** on your last album ain't get you plat's What nigga you need a gun? I'll get you that P-89 nigga let Dre stitch you back ??? Industry niggaz I'll admit to that But I don't even want your chain I'll let the Crips do that 12 bars for that bitch he won't live through that Even a nigga with a ten-year bid knew that Put a gun in his mouth yeah, yeah do that He a pussy (sniff, sniff) his own kid knew that I'm +Ready To Die+ B.I.G knew that He ain't eatin look at his white tee you could see his ribs through that You cocksucker let your ears do that Or ride later do me ooh wee now back to rap 2 Lincoln continentals sittin back to back Leavin Jersey City naw nigga Hackensack Where's that somewhere where the crackers at Real far from where the roaches and rats is at Come to Compton I'll show you where the racquet's at Down the street from the staples centers where they hack-a-shack Give the advance money back I am not have to rap Break Harry-O out tell him crack is back That's nine five a bird take half of that Import it, export it in cracker jacks When you get to the projects ask for Black You know what you started with give him half of that He gon give you 50 g's in a plastic sack And i'mma gives you 3500 cash for that Gotta keep your mouth closed or i'mma blast the Mack They won't believe you the whole world know that bastard rap Once you outta the throne you can't have it back Retirement home and ain't nothing after that Except you layin in a casket black Suit on you can't go to heaven with timberland boots on No subliminals I ain't talkin to you Shawn I'm talkin to that heartless mouse with no jewels on Who the **** put you on Faggot ass nigga let men toss his salad like croutons I **** with Fab get my DJ Clue on Sit inside Hot 97 with no tools on And it don't matter is it's Sway or KaySlay Angie Martinez I'll take 'em back to k-day They act like they forgot about Dre-day I don't rap for Free that's why they fired AJ It's me leaking through your stereo Envy me is a emcee prepare for your burial I kill niggaz without lettin the Desert blow Razor tongue and I'm far from Haitian son All black like the range rover wheels niggaz whisper around The Game like The Game won't kill Let me show you the stars take you back to the car Rewind time march 3, 1994 I was only in my teen's deuce-deuce in my Levi's When Nas hit the scene I was still rockin knee-highs Runnin with my brother phase he was seventeen Two guns in the upper waist so we hit the block Saw niggaz from a rival gang bumpin Dre Ran up on the '64 and that's all she wrote We runnin through the alley like Bishop chasin ? Ass First murder and I did that without a mask Fast-forward see Game gettin out a Jag Two peeps shoot on he still got his rag Gangbangin forever he still got his swag Let me catch you in Los Angeles without a pass Everybody in New York know that you a fag Come out the closet show the world how to use a pad Speakin death on my red bandana Naw he couldn't have said that so I raised my antennas Look at my Nextel got a call from Santana That nigga a pussy we just saw him in Atlanta So I hopped on the first thing smokin to Atlanta Pulled up at 112 ran up on that black phantom Security hopped out no Joe in here Just Outkast gettin ready for a show in here So I uncocked the .44 hopped in the cherry 'lo-lo Chrome grill with the G-Unit logo We watched Hov go now the world waitin for my solo I'm the man Stat Quo know I ain't gotta explain even Bo know Have of these rap niggaz is faker than rolls gold Get hit in the face with the back of the .44 And pissed on tryin to play The Game with a broke nose My bitch harder than you yeah Vita loco I haven't sold one record got rap in a chokehold I'm Dre certified like the leader of the band Run up you sure to die I'll leave you where you stand Smurf-ette runnin around New York like he the man But he peed in his pants When he saw us at Summer Jam Lucky I wasn't there I had to bury my man Or I would've terrorized New York like the Son Of Sam What you mean terrorize New York? I mean expose these pussy ass niggaz like I'm Too Short Somebody tell Domination I'll leave 'em in parts leg in Jersey, arm in Brooklyn, head buried in Central Park He can't walk through New York no more like john Storch Gotta call cuz i'mma break his ankles like Hot-Sauce Ask niggaz from your hood I'm thorough like 5 boroughs Sit on any stoop ? In the thermo Wait till Alpo come home Like AZ from Harlem Dre gon pay me regardless Cuz he know Jay-Z departed And these other rap labels know don't feed they artists Talkin blueprint **** you got three garages Gettin money off Roc like little E and carter Showin off your little chain like these is flawless Send him 50 cent a day I can see he starvin I got R&B bitches givin me ménage's Deep massages I could hear Eazy talkin Tellin me to have a seat in Tamika's office Buy Ruthless and get Lil' E involved in Promote without that magazine in Boston Take a couple mil make Beans a offer Give him money we don't see that often But it was all a dream like I seen Memph Bleek in Marcy I ain't say you won't see Bleek in Marcy I said my said he won't see Bleek in Marcy I'm from Compton where niggaz used to bleed for barklies Drive lo-lo's and we ain't need keys to start 'em Just a little information for your summer vacation Bring your chain cuz every nigga in L.A. waitin Mad cuz Detroit beat the **** out the Lakers And they'll kill you cuz Joe can't find Gary Payton Meanwhile the throne vacant and Da Band ain't makin it Shyne got a new deal, Def Jam gotta pay us Ray Roy Jones got knocked out shortly after they weighed him in niggaz got beef with G-Unit but ain't sayin **** Quiet as a church on Tuesdays Niggaz say they hate my music but my alerts only two ways Nigga I'm a hazard like Michael Jackson in khakis Touch kids but I do that with a semi-automatic With or without traffic I pull my **** out and blast it I'm blind to the masses like Stevie wonder without glasses I'm a savage spit murder like a .38 Magnum 16 bars of baggum let the hook toe tag 'em Murder any MC throw 'em in that white wagon Let him die and come back look at 'em he white flaggin Spreadin rumors like when I see Game I might jack 'em I'm tellin the world he reach for my chain I might clap 'em Cuz niggaz shot me in 2001 Took one in the heart cuz I was too proud to run The clip was empty when the police found my gun So I don't bring that gangbangin **** around my son Nigga 50 took 9 he know how it feel And I found out Buck got shot up in CaShville And Sha Money told me Lloyd Banks got hit And Yayo just came home G-G-G-Unit Backstage at a D-12 concert A fan asked me how it feel to be walkin in Snoop's converse Niggaz show me love when they see me in the streets But they frown when I don't wanna hear none of they beats Nigga this **** crazy Em said some **** when was 16 now they tryin to warn Slim Shady I forgive him I got problems of my own How you think the streets gon' act know that Suge home These niggaz is birds I can see the feathers on 'em If Doc give me the word I put this Berretta on him When the beef is on my piece is on Them white sheets is on 'em Doc breathin on 'em And I got an extra clip in my Reeboks Cuz I'm in and out my socks every time I see cops Game got the streets locked call 9-1-1 Get the whole ****in LAPD shot Niggaz snitchin to the street cops Get your nephews and your niece shot With my heat cocked in the beach stop Nigga witta attitude like a heard Dr. Dre doin Detox Niggaz fightin for the throne that ain't **** Tryin to measure the fallin legends but the shoe won't fit Niggaz might think I'm ridin dick Cuz I let the cemetery puttin creases in my G-Unit's Tryin to talk Jesus Christ into lettin me dig 'em up So they could stand side by side again and live it up This might be the last time you hear me biggin 'em up With suicidal thoughts bangin me and my bitch in the truck My conscience tellin me if I put the clip in the buck It might be loud enough to wake B.I.G and them up What if that was P. Diddy sittin in the truck And 2Pac was in jail the day you called to hit him up I wouldn't be outside 40/40 bumpin 'Jigga What' Wouldn't be sign to Dr. Dre I wonder is its luck They got me on MTV with Banks, Fifth, and Buck I ain't tryin to be L.A.'s king he carry a pimp cup [The Game talking] Snoop Dogg got the crown nigga What the **** y'all mad at me for I ain't sold one ****in record I'm just tryin to use these 200 bars to feed my family nigga I ain't no threat I can't rap I'm from Compton remember You gotta be out your mother****in mind Ask KaySlay, ask Clue, ask Whoo Kid, ask Funk Flex I'll murder anyone of you mother****in G-G-G-G-Unit Ah!"

The song's longer than 18 minutes? That's as long as "Rapper's Delight", I doubt it's as dope as that though and he could come up with that many lines to diss somebody, he should just turn it into a book! :pony:

Yeah like Will says in that song "the rain gonna come/through the window, pain gonna come/Rich, poor, black white, it's the same ol' drum", even celebrities have problems in life, no matter how much fame and props you might get even when your dream comes true not everything's perfect so I guess it's all about surviving and doing the best we could do, I'm not gonna give up on my dreams either no matter how long it takes, look at Chuck D: he thought he was too old to sign to Def Jam and make an album when he was 27 years old but he's still going strong now almost 20 years later and is called one of the greatest rappers ever, he could've gave up and not even made one album. It's easier to make short-term goals rather than just focusing on long-term goals 'cause that becomes too much of a stress when you do that and plans always change, having an impact on other people though is the type of goal that helps though since the love comes back in return.

Well Lincoln and Malcom X were legends in political history with their influence still shown today and Run DMC, LL, Public Enemy, and JJFP are legends in entertainment history to help hip-hop be excepted by the mainstream and be a force as a billion dollar buisiness for many more years to come.

I think that a lot of fans base their opinions mostly on magazine reviews and radio play, they think that Will's wack 'cause he never gets a cover story in The Source and doesn't get much airplay on black radio so they won't even give the albums a listen, but there are a few that're open minded and actually give the music a listen before they diss somebody.

They should've put the bonus music DVD with all the "Hitch" DVDs not just the ones with Walmart, that way everyone could get the bouns! :smart:

:word: Well any rap that ain't about guns, drugs, or sex gets called corny by most of these ignorant fans 'cause they don't know that hip-hop was created to have fun and stop the violence, JJFP are keepin' it real the most when it comes to making quality music.

Hey I was hanging out on the boardwalk in Seaside a lil' while ago and I noticed that one of the stands was playing "Party Starter", that made my day, I just figured I'd let y'all know about that! :jazzy:

Ill Will was a rapper, he spit a verse on KRS-ONE's "Slap 'Em Up", which is a great song btw, I don't know if he had anymore songs.

Here's a few more flawless albums I have as I'm thinkin' about it: Mary J. Blidge "Share My World" Mary J. Blidge "Mary" Slick Rick "The Ruler" The Roots "Things Fall Apart" Pep Love "Ascension" Aceyalone "All Balls Don't Bounce"

KRS-ONE actually produced that "South Bronx" beat with Scott La Rock, he's produced a lot of his biggest hits, he's arguably the most multi-tasked mc ever, such a hard worker just like FP, LL, and Chuck D, that's why I look up to them the most, btw they added additional audio to the KRS-ONE speech, check out parts 4,5, and 6: http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/hiphop/krsone_talk.shtml

Honestly what original thing has Eminem done to be considered a legend? Legends are supposed to take the game to another level or originate their own styles, Em has done neither. He wasn't the 1st white rapper to go platinum, the Beastie Boys were and all Em has talent for is biting off of every rapper.

Yeah Michael Jackson is a musical genious for sure, I'd say the flawless albums in my collection would be: James Brown "Live At The Appolo 1962" Michael Jackson "Thriller" Michael Jackson "Bad" Boyz II Men "CooleyHighHarmony" Montell Jordan "This Is How We Do It" R.Kelly "Chocolate Factory" Run-DMC "Tougher Than Leather" Run-DMC "Raising Hell" Public Enemy "Yo! Bum Rush The Show" Public Enemy "It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" Nas "Illmatic" JJFP "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" JJFP "Code Red" LL Cool J "Mr. Smith" LL Cool J "Radio" LL Cool J "Mama Said Knock You Out" KRS-ONE "Return Of Da Boom Bap" KRS-ONE "Kristyles" Blackstreet "Another Level" Keith Sweat-self titled Guy-self titled 2Pac "All Eyez On Me" DMX "And Then There Was X" Dru Hill-self titled Slick Rick "The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick" Common "Like Water For Chocolate" Eric B. and Rakim "Paid In Full" Tribe Called Quest "The Low End Theory" BBD "Poison" De La Soul "Stakes Is High" Fugees "The Score" Wyclef Jean "The Carnival" Wyclef Jean "Masquerade" Aaliyah "One In A Million" Ginuwine "The Bachelor" Alicia Keys "Songs In A Minor" Alicia Keys "The Diary Of Alicia Keys" TLC "CrazySexyCool"

Yeah that's nice to hear that you're doing well with your job AJ, it's frustrating sometimes when you work hard at a job and things don't go the way you want it right away but staying patient helps, I'm trying hard to find the career that I want to do and trying to learn more things that are necessary for it, my family and close friends are very supportive and that does help my confidance even more.

:word: Will was flowin' like that in '88 on "He's The DJ..", learn your hip-hop history!

For people to say Will's corny is like sayin' Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Flava Flav are corny, they do put comedy in their music but it's effective, hip-hop ain't one dimensional, not everyone has to be hardcore, I'm actually happier when Will puts comedy in his rap too and not try to just make serious songs 'cause there's other cats like Chuck D and Common that do that, hip-hop would be boring if everyone did the same thing, now Eminem's corny 'cause he tries to be funny but can't be, who actually thinks "Losin' It" is actually funny, and I don't like how everyone says people are biting off of Eminem or Jay-Z 'cause what about all the people they bited off of, more respect should be given to the originators, anyway at least they give Will props there, thanks for that!