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I don't have their email address and they obviously don't go on the internet 'cause they still ain't updating the site but they're professionals and know when the right time to release the single is, ain't FP gonna do some more promotion over in the UK again, damn it seems like he does more there than he does here, how is the album selling worse there? I don't get it! :poke:

Once again it's my turn to jump in My respect is earned you better just quit 'Cause anybody who yearns to stay will slump big When I burn up the flame you're skills will bust quick I'm a veteran in this game if you didn't know you'll soon learn this I'm here to bust a couple of rhymes Bringin' the adrenline rush like Fresh Prince and Busta Rhymes I could beat you with my head without grabbin' a nine Then I'll be tearin' up your girlfriend's spine I'm a "sex machine" like James Brown, I bring the funk to the rhyme So you better step your way down and don't waste another moment of your time When y'all lost this battle to Big Ted who penetrates the most explosive lines

Nice collab! :thumb:

This album's doing better than Born To Reign already, at this pace, in a couple weeks the sales will be better than Born To Reign, at this point it's safe to say the album'll be certified gold unless something drastic happened, but I don't see "Switch" getting much airplay, I turn on BET and see Ja Rule's new video getting airplay and he doesn't even sell much anymore, the black media's really dissin' Will right now. :nono:

I think it's more important for JJFP to go out and tour than to release another single right away, they gotta go out and perform like most hip-hop acts do, that's what would promote sales, and btw that willsmith.com needs a major update right now too! :ridepony:

Thursday Apr. 28 10/9c PM http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_mu...ode_about.jhtml They were the original boy band. Five friends from Boston whose undeniable talent lifted them out of the projects and into the hearts of countless teenage girls. But while New Edition was paving the way for some of the biggest bands of the past twenty years, they were plagued by bad business deals, internal battles, and a frustrating struggle for respect. In the late 1970s, Roxbury was the most impoverished and crime-ridden district in Boston. And in the middle of it all sat the Orchard Park Housing Projects. It was there that four friends -- Michael Bivins, Bobby Brown, Ricky Bell and Ralph Tresvant -- began singing and dancing together as a way to escape the turmoil that surrounded them. They called themselves New Edition and, after gaining some local notoriety, they attracted the attention of Maurice Starr, a local record producer who was looking for the next Jackson Five. The boys added a fifth member, Ronnie Devoe, and with Starr's guidance, New Edition recorded and released their first single, a perfect pop confection called "Candy Girl." The single and subsequent album exploded, selling hundreds of thousands of copies, sending the boys on a seemingly endless tour around the country. Yet, for all of their hard work, the boys came home to Roxbury still broke and living in the projects. Determined to reach greater heights of success, New Edition split with Maurice Starr in 1984 and signed with MCA. They released the top ten hits "Cool It Now" and "Mr. Telephone Man" and toured the world, only to discover that they had once again signed to a record deal that had left them all in debt. Meanwhile, other problems were brewing. Lead singer Ralph Tresvant had emerged as the fans' favorite member, and the others, particularly Bobby Brown, became jealous and were eager to step out of the background and into the spotlight. With tensions rising, Bobby Brown left New Edition, leaving fans to wonder what the future held. After a brief stint as a four piece, New Edition added new member Johnny Gill, hoping to attract a new, more mature audience. But once again internal clashes threatened the band's future as Ralph and Johnny squared off. Their differences settled, the band released their most successful album to date, Heart Break, only to be unexpectedly overshadowed by the multi-platinum juggernaut that was Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel, one of the most successful R&B albums of all time. In the early 90s, the band splintered into a series of side projects that brought them their greatest success. Following Bobby's lead, Johnny and Ralph released solo albums, and Ricky, Mike and Ronnie formed Bell Biv Devoe. Divided, the members of New Edition put an unprecedented stranglehold on the pop chats, racking up a string of top ten hits and multi-platinum sales. As their solo success began to fade, all six members of New Edition reunited and released the album Home Again, and instant number one album. But the subsequent tour was less successful. Bogged down by bigger egos, and bigger battles, the band was nearly torn apart on a worldwide tour that Johnny Gill described simply as "Hell." Meanwhile, Bobby Brown had begun what would turn out to be a decade- long downward spiral of drug and alcohol addiction and run-ins with the law. In 2002, New Edition looked to revive their careers by signing with P. Diddy's Bad Boy label and in November of 2004 released One Love. Throughout a career that has spanned three decades, New Edition pioneered a style of music that is still strong today and have achieved tremendous success both as a group and in side projects. But for all they have accomplished, the members of this pop dynasty wonder if they can ever truly achieve the respect and notoriety they deserve. This is Behind the Music: New Edition.

Hey I like that song too, I wouldn't mind seeing another MC Hammer video instead of seein' Ja Rule or 50 Cent videos. btw, I got on FP "I Wish I Made That"

I liked that "Street's Of New York" song when it came out in summer of '03 that was sampled from "New York State Of Mind", I heard it on a mixshow on Power 105, was it supposed to be on Rakim's album that got pulled from Aftermath? I wish Rakim would get signed somewhere to release his new album, I wanna hear it! :toetap: btw, "Stillmatic" was a great album too, I think that went double platinum and was the most successful album saleswise he's had, I think all of his albums are solid releases though, "Nastradamous" had some good moments even as his weakest LP, but it's amazing that Illmatic only went gold and was such a classic. :speechless:

Are they posting porno over there yet? :hilarious: :speechless:

I have to agree with you on a part here, but who gives a f*** about Eminem and Nelly winning Grammy's either, hip-hop peers give JJFP more props than they do Eminem and Nelly, mostly fake pop rappers give Eminem and Nelly props, not much legends or hip-hop heads, at the end of the day respect is all that matters, we could ignore JJFP's sales and they'd still stand out as hip-hop greats, wave 'em off! :ali:

Well with success you always have haters, even Michael Jordan would be called a sell-out, people are always gunnin' for you when you're the best, people want to keep you in the 'hood forever, they don't want u to expand. :blabla:

If you look at what these so-called popular rappers do to get fame with flashy videos, that looks more "bubblegum rap" to me than anything(especially "Candy Shop", that's so fake, he's a loner in real life who doesn't take care of his son), 'cause it's artifical, at least if FP decided to do a video with money, jewels, and women it'd be real 'cause he's the real player in this hip-hop game from his 20-mil a flick salary(sales: 20 mil, cars: Bentleys, women: Jada/ he's speaking the truth there it ain't a front) but he's 36 and is above that kid stuff(found gold in my heart put the ice away/nicer day/ live foul homie it's a price to pay), and those pop-rappers are just getting rent-a-cars for their videos, they ain't living that large. A lot of kids are ignorant though 'cause they even say that KRS-ONE is wack from making "nerd rap", but people listening to "nerd rap" will have more success than those listening to "studio gangsta rap" anyway, they're all suckers, let's just "Wave 'Em Off". :ali:

DMX feat. Sisqo "What These Bitches Want?"

There ain't nothin' wrong with Jay-Z producin' the album for her as long as he ain't doin' too much rappin' on it, I'm looking forward to that, ain't the Blastmaster KRS supposed to be on there too? Yeah she ain't really a gangsta rapper and this situation ain't as drastic as the Lil' Kim situation 'cause it ain't like she pulled a gun out, all celebrities have stalkers, she should've hired a bodyguard to take care of them, she'll probably get probation at the worst, this is overhyped.

I think it was the stupid college kids that were comparin' Will Smith to Vanilla Ice, Chuck D defends Vanilla Ice out of pity by saying he's not as wack as people think he is but he defends FP out of respect 'cause he always goes on about how JJFP represented hip-hop well by winning the 1st grammy and sayin' that they bring more energy than PE in performances, let's get that clear, Chuck D knows Vanilla Ice more than any of us do, he might have a better personality than he does as a rapper, but of course I don't understand why Chuck D wouldn't diss Vanilla Ice either 'cause he's a fake gangsta rapper just like 50 Cent now, wow that tells you how much Chuck D thinks of 50 Cent, wacker than Vanilla Ice, too bad his fame can't end just as fast! :hilarious: :hilarious: btw, I don't get why FP would give 50 props on "I Wish I Made That" either, I guess ol' school rappers have more class and must feel pity for these wack rappers, although if these wack rappers ever diss them, the pity is over! :poke:

Well when JJFP finally go on tour, the sales'll pick up even faster, roll on tour.

Tribe Called Quest "Electric Relaxation"

just barely though.... look at their drops from the 1st week. Yeah I think 112's album will fall off fast, at least it should since their music is watered down, r&b sucks right now, I wish Boyz II Men could top the charts again.

The album's doing worse over there in the UK? I figured it was certified platinum already there. :cwm:

I can't believe 112's still sellin' more than FP, what the hell? :confused3:

So is there gonna be any more performances comin' up? It's important that FP keeps on promoting this album, I hope that he's preparing for a tour.

FP "Lost and Found"

I don't think Chuck D was comparing FP to Vanilla Ice, the college kids in the crowd were probably only heard "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It", but you know what though, some kids actually diss Chuck D too for not having much lyricism compared to Jay-Z but Chuck's rhymes are more powerful than what Jay-Z has ever said("99 Problems" is hypocritical 'cause one minute Jay-Z tries to sound righteous but then the next minute he starts braggin') it doesn't matter how much you say it's what you say that counts, Vanilla Ice didn't have much structure either as FP, Chuck D, or MC Hammer but his rhyme content was pointless, if you say somethin' important it's beyond structure, like this verse from "Fight The Power", it don't get deeper than this: "1989 the number another summer (get down) Sound of the funky drummer Music hittin' your heart cause I know you got sould (Brothers and sisters hey) Listen if you're missin' y'all Swingin' while I'm singin' Givin' whatcha gettin' Knowin' what I know While the Black bands sweatin' And the rhythm rhymes rollin' Got to give us what we want Gotta give us what we need Our freedom of speech is freedom or death We got to fight the powers that be Lemme hear you say Fight the power" I actually wouldn't mind if FP decided to go back to a simplier rhyme structure again as long as he keeps up with the positive messages, "Lost and Found" proves though that FP's lyricism has evolved, but the content has always been there, it takes more than being a great lyricist to be a hip-hop legend. btw, this ain't the 1st time Chuck D has defended FP, he's done it many times before, check out this from his terrordome in April 2001: "Hey Chuck, I've been a fan since "Nation of Millions", and I actually met you when you spoke at Harvard a few years ago. (Cornell West was my prof.) I really appreciated your view of hip hop history. Thanks. One question: During that speech, someone in the audience ripped Will Smith, and you went out of your way to strongly defend Smith. I often recount the story to friends who think he's a lightweight, but I don't remember exactly what you said about him. Do you have an opinion today? Thanks. Mike WILL AND I GO BACK…WITH JAZZY, JEFF WE TOURED TOGETHER A BIT FROM 1987-1991…A GOOD GUY 4 REAL AND A FAST RHYMER. WHEN IT MEANT SOMETHING. PLUS HE RARELY RAPPED OUT OF CHARACTER, EXCEPT WHEN HE THOUGHT HE COULD'VE BEAT MIKE TYSON…"

This ain't shocking, he always defends Will, their ain't nothin' wrong with MC Hammer I don't know why people link him to Vanilla Ice that's as stupid as linking 2Pac to Biggie, but Chuck D had no beef with Vanilla Ice, he's actually friends with him too, he's the most open minded mc in hip-hop, he's even working on a song with Nelly for the "Longest Yard" soundtrack, I don't know why! :confused3: But I got a lot of respect for Mistachuck for not dissin' everyone 'cause Nelly actually calmed down now and said that he didn't want to diss KRS and thinks that he's a legend and I don't see Nelly goin' around beefin' with every rapper, but I don't like his music, Chuck D's beef is with rappers that think they're bigger than the game and I think that is the most legit beef, going around and dissin' every rapper ain't gonna solve anythin' but 50's more of an embarassment to hip-hop than Vanilla Ice was and if you don't think so, you're crazy! :poke: Look at what Chuck D said about Vanilla Ice a few years ago, it doesn't change my opinion of me thinkin' Vanilla Ice is a wack mc but that doesn't mean you can't be open-minded: "This news already out before I even said yea or nay. I hear that eMpTyV leaked out a report that VANILLA ICE’S next album is gathering PE for a collab. Well not exactly, CONFRONTATION CAMP is possibly gonna do some work on it. It was just talk but now the CAMP’s band element, CHAINGANG, will come to the table with some involvement. I don’t think cats know that the leader, KYLE JASON, will take on many, damn near most, collabs and cares less about making ‘the cool move’. KYLE hates most industry cliques and standards and relishes ‘underdog ****,’ which is why he nods his head to this move as long as it’s aggressive. Reading the ENEMY BOARD’S comments I feel what cats are saying to an extent but don’t confuse the two. CONFRONTATION CAMP, and KYLE especially, doesn’t want carry over PE fans for the namesake of it. I’ve told him that’s gonna be hard, with both myself and GRIFF, and even DJ LORD, in the group. As far as my take on it, as long as the music’s aggressive I’m ok with it. I look at VANILLA ICE beyond his early 90s trip and I’m honest about that. I think perception is important, but it rules robots just a bit much these days. If people wanna hold his art and consider him forever wack it’s an unfair assessment to evaluate in 2000. In 1990 there were probably a LOT OF SUBURBAN MCs across Amerikkka who didn’t develop until the mid-late 90s, and probably just obtained their total skills in the past few years. I happened to meet this guy when he was a kid in 1988 opening up for PE on tour in OKLAHOMA CITY. I’ve made that no secret. Tried to sign him then, it didn’t work out and I wished him well, which he did. Always said if the right thing came along there’d be some room to work together. The right thing I considered is the rap/metal collab, which I’ve always liked, and I dug his last project. CONFRONTATION CAMP is getting off the ground and a lot of cats will be uncomfortable. The members are cool with that…" If Em came out in 1990 he'd sound just as wack as Vanilla Ice, he was probably rollin' to that. :hilarious:

"Thief's Theme" is actually one of the weak tracks on the album, he could do better storytellin' than that, I love "Bridgin' The Gap" though, no other song sounds quite like it! One song on that album "American Way" is starting to grow on me more now, basically it says the same message that Saul Williams said in that interview fan4ever posted: "Need a truce with the gangs and some food for the hungry On Kerry nuts, he look at you like a monkey You MC's on that old slavery path The Bushs'll look at yo' ass and laugh See, it's all about community, let's help ourselves Cops brutalize us get dealt with with shells" Well KRS would agree with that too 'cause the government ain't doin' s*** and they actually laugh at rappers for acting so ignorant, politicians don't take hip-hop seriously, they always criticize it when only gimmicks get promotion and they only see one side of it, only the few die hard hip-hop fans actually know that hip-hop is deeper than Bentleys, hoes, and jewels, but the deep songs get no promotion, that's why I hope FP's "Tell Me Why" does real well, the hip-hop community has to rally hard behind that song and give it support, the only way Nas would go platinum again is if gets involved in another beef but he doesn't want those bandwagon fans anymore, that's what he's said in his recent interviews.