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Thanks for the news but I don't think it's fair to talk 'bout Will doing a new movie yet 'cause the "Lost and Found" CD hasn't even released yet, he needs to take some time off of filming to do a tour/promotion of the album 1st, hip-hop needs Will more than ever right now

Yo man that's foul, we don't wanna see FP get shot, it'd be nice to see one mc grow old with us for real. Anyway on the topic now, I think that FP should hook up the diehard fans like us with these left over songs in the future on his website he could sell mixtapes to the fans, I'm sure they're better than the best songs that most mcs make.

I doubt it was a bigger classic than "Boom Shake The Room!", I never heard the track so I wouldn't know. :cwm: I personally think people throw around that word classic too much these days, but that's another discussion we should have. Yeah I don't think there's nothin' wrong with giving props, I do that too when I write rhymes, I'll give props to all my favorites like JJFP, Nas, 2Pac, Chuck D, LL Cool J, and Rakim, but I doubt FP would bite, he said it himself before on "My Buddy": "Please stop biting, please don't immitate", so why would he bite then? I'm sure the "Lost and Found" song sounds nothin' like Royce 5'9's "Boom"

:werd: Run-Dmc's "Crown Royal" had a PA label on it but it was still the same positive Run-Dmc hip-hop as usual, I don't think JJFP would ever make songs about killing people and raping women, they'll keep the music positive still. :peace: Now if they did negative music about killing and raping, then I'd be dissapointed. :mad8:

I thought Eminem said a line similar 1st in a song if I'm not mistaken, maybe not, someone could've said that before, well everyone says "Yes Yes Y'all" and "Somethin' Like Dis" too, there's millions of songs out there that we don't know, a lot of lines in hip-hop get repeated over without even realising, I write a lot of rhymes myself but I could've of wrote some rhymes that somebody else I never listen to might've said before and I wouldn't know.

My real name is Gracia(pronounced Gra-cha) Miller Jr, my nickname is Teddy(the same as my father), and my hip-hop name is Big Ted.

I wasn't gonna respond anymore in this debate but I personally find it hard to believe that if you knew the history of hip-hop you'd still rank Em anywhere near FP, what did Em originate? lyricism exsisted way before him and even before FP, but FP has kept it more real to the essence of having fun and positive and being a good role model for hip-hop and that's keepin' it real and help take hip-hop to a multi-billion buisiness that existed when Em came in the game, this is why Afrika Bambataa's created of hip-hop(read your history y'all) to clean up the streets, while Em just raps about killing people and is the reason why hip-hop gets criticized by the media. I have to ask y'all Em fans, have you ever heard of Busy Bee, Run-Dmc, Melle Mel, and Kurtis Blow? These cats originated the essence of lyricism even before FP, KRS, and Rakim came along, sure their rhymes are ol' school and simple, but it was all original and you have to respect the pioneers the most 'cause if wasn't for them Em would still be living in his trailer park and flipping burgers right now, he wouldn't know what hip-hop is, and that's real. :poke: I respect everyone's opinion, just learn your hip-hop history! :peace:

I would keep it real and still buy it, I understand that he has to be more aggressive to get more street heads to feel him, I think this album "Lost and Found" could do it already though so I don't think that'd happen, but I ain't gonna be mad at that if it happened, as long as he puts KRS-ONE, Chuck D, and LL with him on the JJFP reunion album.

I have the "She's A Queen: Queen Latifah Greatest Hits" album from Queen Latifah that Motown released a few years ago, I gotta get more of her albums. What's her best album?

Well let me put my 2 cents in this debate real quick, I'm gonna say this for the final time, Eminem/50 Cent will never be on the same level as FP 'cause FP's on a level with KRS-ONE, Chuck D, LL, 2Pac, and Rakim as a hip-hop legend and there are 1000 mcs that have more lyricism and skill than 50 Cent/Eminem, end of story, if you say 50 Cent/Eminem are the greatest lyricists, you're disrespecting KRS-ONE and FP. :blabla:

Or "Get That S***" as Flava Flav said on "Terminator X Speaks With His Hands" on the classic PE debut album "Yo! Bum Rush The Show", it's a possibility since Fp gives props to Chuck D in the song, which I'm very happy about, since PE's one of my favorite hip-hop groups. :dancingcool:

:werd: I think we all are, people are gonna rank him among the all-time greats like KRS-ONE, LL Cool J, Chuck D, and Rakim after this album comes out next week! :ali:

I might have to check those songs out.

This is real hip-hop lyrics right here! :afro:

KRS-ONE "Things Will Get Better", I'd say him and JJFP are the hip-hop artists I play the most more than anyone else

I've been listenin' to KRS-ONE's "Kristyles" album a lot lately, I actually play that one now as much as "Return Of Da Boombap" album, "It's All A Struggle" has been my favorite on the album lately but my favorites change all the time, like FP he gets better with age, the lyrics are so deep in this song: "[Chorus: KRS] + (guest) It's all a struggle (tryin to make it day to day) It's all a struggle (from my hood to around your way) It's all a struggle (single parents all by theyself) It's all a struggle (diseases decreasin your health) It's all a struggle (fiends swearin that's they last puff) It's all a struggle (hustler tryin to avoid handcuffs) (No matter what you do, who you are or where you from) (Rich poor black white, at the end of the day) [Verse One: KRS-One] It's all a struggle - and most people's struggles are doubled You ain't the only one with a challenge facin some trouble Look at the woman chewed up by the dog with no muzzle Or the workers that got trapped underground in that tunnel Some kids are playin in pools, others in puddles When they listen to the news the propoganda is subtle But it's time for you to know that the cryin got to go Release the guilt that you built and let it flow Slow and low, that is the tempo Move slow and on the low, this you gotta know You don't get the muscles without the hard struggles You ain't the only one out here tryin to get dough From the hustler to the preacher to the government leaders From the airline pilot to the chef to the teachers We linked in the same huddle, in the same tussle'n'bustle Cause at the end of the day, it's all a struggle [Chorus] [Verse Two: KRS-One] It's all a struggle - but don't let the challenges bug you Or the government drug you, or the thieves in the street beat and mug you - build your tunnel under the rubble Come up on the other side eye to eye with the trouble Look at the Twin Towers crumble Look at the religious leadership stumble, everybody struggles But not everybody comes through nifty, it's fifty/fifty The city itself will outrun you quickly Whether you be healthy or sickly Whether you be wealthy or thrifty, ugly or pretty Everybody's tryin to get 50's and 100's I taught this at UCLA just off Sunset Now run get "Ruminations" It's a book that I published for the healing of this nation In just a few chapters we run through, some possible solutions Cause at the end of the day [Chorus] [KRS-One] It's all a struggle" This song is easily more deeper than anything gettin' airplay, this album is a hip-hop classic, every song's hot, I suggest whoever wants to hear a dope hip-hop album should buy this one.

The show's on every weekday, keep voting y'all.

I don't know if I could hold up until last Tuesday without hearing the album, I might have to stay offline until then, so if y'all don't see me post you'll know why. :kekeke: I'm running out of patience, I'm hoping the release date gets pushed up. :toetap:

Damn why can't I hear the album? :poke: btw, I'm listening to nothin' at the moment.

click on the start listening will smith:lost and found link its supposed to launch a VH1 player.. Hey I tried that again, I meant my VH1 player sucks! :nono:

Damn I can't hear it, my Windows player sucks! :cussing:

Hey good idea! :thumb:

:werd: I don't think FP's just a rapper for kids, a lot of older and mature heads listen to him too, he's at the point in his career where he wants to get that frustration out, he's tired of people callin' him a Disney rapper when he's an mc for all ages.

I'd disagree on that of course, "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" was a timeless classic, with the timeless songs like "Brand New Funk", "As We Go", and "Parents Just Don't Understand", this article here could refresh your memory, you might well just say Run-Dmc, LL Cool J, and Eric B. and Rakim didn't make classic albums back then either 'cause the production and lyricism was just as dope and it was ablout 2 turntables and a mic, not all this expensive recording equipment now : "Jeff: There's nobody in this world that can't tell me that Will and I weren't hip-hop. I mean, from doing the housing projects, doing the shows, me being a well-known DJ in Philly. Will being someone who could free-style. Putting out "Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble" (1989 on Jive) and it blowing up at hip-hop clubs. People were loving it, going crazy. Girls and Parents Just Don't Understand" were just as popular as "Eric B For President" (Eric B and Rakim) in B-boy hip-hop circles then. In those simple old days we would be doing tours with Public Enemy, Kid 'N' Play, Heavy D and the Boyz and Run DMC it wasn't a big deal. They would come check us and vice versa and we would be digging each other. The funny thing was that the criticism didn't come from our peers, it was definitely a media vibe. You guys aren't hard enough; you guys are from the suburbs. It was like Damn. I grew up in 57th & Ratmer Street, West Philadelphia and I'm from the suburbs (sighs) and I'm looking around and thinking you don't know anything about me. Yet some folks figured that being liked by three million people meant it had to be suburban," rants Jeff in one breath. "It was true to the extent that white kids suddenly dug hip-hop. We created hip-hop crossover. I wanted everyone -- black and white -- to enjoy themselves. I didn't know whether to defend myself [from that suburban' label] or give in." When their first hit single "Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble" led to some cross-over success that laid the groundwork for the pop stardom that was to follow with their sophomore LP - He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper. But, after the money started to roll, and their videos started to receive heavy rotation, their original core fans started to yell, 'sell out!' Jeff: When 'Parents Don't Understand' came out, everybody liked it. Once mainstream audiences started liking it, everybody else started looking at it like 'wow, you guys are doing something different'. Will and I had always been on that vibe, y'know, but yes it was hard, because some original fans felt alienated. But how can you be accused of alienating people when we were doing the same thing we were doing for our original fans." Oh yes, hip hop audiences can be fickle, and none were more so than the late 80's, early 90's fans who were starting to discover the highly politicized hip hop of groups like Public Enemy and X-Clan, and/or the experimental sounds of the Native Tongue Family. Backlash was bound to happen. Jeff also realizes that the record company's re-imaging that emphasized the duo's light side caused some long-term credibility problems. Will: The way I maintain, keep it positive man, keep it fun, the original essence of hip-hop was partying and having fun, and im keeping it real for real Jeff: Will is a hip-hop purist at heart. He's probably frustrated with the state of hip-hop right now. We talked about it and said it would be really cool if we could just scale back to two turntables and a mic. A couple of years ago we were over in London for the Men in Black Premiere, doing a promo tour and we did a night at Sound, the old Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince show. The thing is Will is such a perfectionist that he may not want to take the chance of going back for a long haul We're very actively involved. A lot of people didn't understand that I had a very big role in the production of all his solo records. I just chose not to be an artist - I needed a break. But I'm always there to help him out when he needs it. How have things changed since you started out? Where was hip-hop then vs. where hip-hop is now? Jeff: I think there was a lot more, I don't want to say "creativity," but it just seems like there was a lot more diversity. People were just really open and wanted to do new stuff, and try innovative things back then. You could have a tour with Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Run-DMC, Public Enemy, and everybody has an audience, and everybody loves everybody. Everyone was making money, but everyone was having so much fun. Then, the rivalries in hip-hop were about "I'm the best DJ" or "I'm the best MC." It just seems now that's it's about "I have more money" and "no, I have more money." Where did all the skill level go? Now it's like the best rapper is the one that makes the most money Jeff: What a lot of people don't understand is that we didn't ask for pop [success]. I'm not saying we didn't accept it when we got it, but it was weird. If you look at [our second album], He's the D.J., I'm the Rapper, that was a hip-hop album of a different sort. Will was freestylin' and there were beats and cuts on it. Still, we got labeled by the biggest hit that we had ["Parents Just Don't Understand"]. Jeff: "The beginning of Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, it was kinda like if you turn back the clock and listen to the first album that we made - we have "A Touch of Jazz"? on it, which was pretty much one of the first records to ever use Jazz samples mixed together with Will rhyming. You have "The Magnificent Jazzy Jeff" on it which was pretty much probably one of the very early turntablist records. Then you have "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble" which was a huge hip hop hit, 'cause you got Will telling the story basically to a beat. You got records like "Jeff's Rocking" which was almost like an early hardcore Will just spitting. Then comes the second record (He's The DJ I'm The Rapper), which had the layout of the same stuff. But you have "Parents Just Don't Understand." And because "Parents Just Don't Understand" blew up on the commercial side, you're automatically locked. People were like, 'oh my God, you guys are from the suburbs!' For a while you try to fight that stereotype but it got to a point. I've always been into all types of music, Will has always been a lyricist. You get to a point where you really can't worry about the perceptions. A lot of stuff that I'm doing now is really soulful, but when you sit and think about it - the song that I did with J-Live, is kinda like a jazz record, just like "A Touch of Jazz" was; then you got a whole bunch of soulful stuff, but what was "Summertime"? The whole thing about the music industry is once you do something and you're deemed successful at doing it, they ain't trying to have you try anything else Still, the duo more albums in them. One of them, Homebase (produced at ATOJ) brought the duo platinum sales and their second Grammy (in 1991) for "Summertime." "That was a monumental song in hip-hop," says King Britt of Smith's lyrical tale of Philly seasonal nuances like barbecues, car washes and street-corner romance. "It was a clear picture of what summer is for the black community." Jeff sees the song as a testament to the fact that they could sell records and still make something stunningly creative. Fresh Prince: We realised very early on that what we do is special. People always talk about us and put us down, but we cater more to the fans, and less to other rappers" btw, "Code Red" basically has the same types of beats and rhymes as "Illmatic" and "Reasonable Doubt" does, and featured timeless songs like "Twinkle Twinkle"(I'm Not A Star), "I'm Looking For The One"(To Be With Me), "I Wanna Rock", and "Shadow Dreams", of course all those albums have different styles, but it's all hip-hop perfection. I expect "Lost and Found" to be different 'cause FP ain't in his 20's anymore, he's 36 now, he's more mature, he won't be talking about that kid stuff anymore 'cause he's a married man, but JJFP had an awesome chemistry at what they did back then, so it was perfection too. I respect your opinion though. :peace:

I realised I might have to turn my computer off for a week 'cause I'm getting tempted to download the album 'cause I really wanna hear it right now, especially after I read peeps over at a hip-hop forum comparing it to KRS' "Criminal Minded", I knew it was gonna be great, but I didn't think it'd be that great! If anyone has the link to the album download, you don't have to resist to PM it to me! :kekeke: Don't worry I'll buy the album, I promise! :peace: