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FP has always been hip-hop though, even though he appeals to a large audience 'cause the esscence of hip-hop is about having fun! :werd: Enough with the talk though, when is the single dropping? If it brings the energy like LL's "Headsprung" I'll be happy, at 1st when I heard that song by LL, I wasn't feelin' it, but after I heard it a few times I realised how creative it was.

I wouldn't rule out them collaborating 'cause Public Enemy's working on 2 brand new CDs to be released within the next year, so FP might collaborate with 'em, it would cool to see him do a comical track with Flava Flav, but it would also be interesting to see a more serious side of FP like he did on that "Born To Reign" track and rap a song with Chuck D, the possibilites are endless, that'd be so dope!! :switch: :bowdown:

Hey man I wish you the best of luck, the more you perform, the more respect and recognition you'll get, 'cause I remember when I was in high school, everyone enjoyed when I used to freestyle in the hallways and the lunch rooms, they made me feel like I was a celebrity, I was able to feed off that energy! :switch:

It's ok if you don't like Big Pun that much, but I feel that was disrespectful of you to say that about him like he was some sort of animal, the guy's dead, show some respect, that comment was foul of you to say! You should've kept that thought to yourself!

Hey lambert I'm sorry for saying "If you can't back up your opinion you should shut up" but I didn't think that you'd get mad over that 'cause that's the same as when FP said "If you ain't saying nothing nice, don't say nothin'" but I said it in my own way though and btw damn it's funny how that Cassidy interview about Will could spark up such a discussion! :werd: I enjoy it 'cause it's cool to see how everybody has their own opinions about why we love hip-hop and it's all good, I ain't dissing anyone, I'm just stating my opinions! :ditto:

Hey I ain't dissing you lambert, if you read back to the post you'd see that I was that you can believe and do what you wanna do and that you have the right for your opinion, but that's not gonna stop me from doing what I have to do and believe what I believe, I'm not mad 'cause you don't feel the same way that I do, I was mad when you tried putting me down for not thinking like everyone else, no 2 people think a like and you should know that since you're 28, I knew that **** since I was 6, it's called common sense, you talk like you don't have any, so what if all the people you know who like 50 Cent it doesn't mean a difference, if you ever watched TRL you'd know that most of the people that go on there are white, and 50 Cent went on there many times over the past year and Russell Simmons said that most of the people who buy albums are white and as a long time fan you should know that, because if Run-DMC videos weren't played on MTV, 50 Cent and these rappers would not be going platinum because black people are a minority and I know this as a black person it's harder to get acceptance in society, there's not enough black people to make hip-hop a multi million dollar buisiness and that's a fact, if you travel all over the world you'd see that asian and european people that ain't black listen to hip-hop artists including 50 Cent, so don't make yourself sound ignorant to say that only black people listen to 50 cent, and it ain't my fault that I'm only 19, but I'm not the average school kid when it comes to my knowledge for hip-hop, I listen to hip-hop songs all the way from Kurtis Blow/Sugar Hill Gang/Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five all the way up to the current DMX/Nas/Kanye West so I know a lot about the game, and besides my best friends that I have are in their 30's, so don't talk to me like you would to the average teeny bopper and I will respect your opinion, I might not agree, but I'll respect it.

You poured your heart out there you should go on Def Poetry Jam, you got a lot of talent!

Hey AJ, Big Pun might not have been in the game that long but he was in the game as long as the Notorious B.I.G. was and people consider the Notorious B.I.G. more of a lyrical legend, but Big Pun held his own too lyrically, you might not like it, but it opened the doors for "Lean Back" to be a #1 hit on the Billboard charts, it ain't one of my favorite Fat Joe songs that he did, but that's the same as "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" and "Men In Black" for FP, they ain't my favorite Will songs either but they were still #1 on the charts, and it's great to see a Puerto Rican rapper on the top of the charts for a change, hip-hop has been out for over 30 years and I still think that more diversity should be in the game and it should advance beyond black and white american rappers, there should be rappers going platinum from all over the world, because people in many continents across the globe love hip-hop, there should be European MC's, Spanish MC's, Dominican MC's, Chinease MC's, so on and so on, I wanna see that day when that happens! :werd: All my puerto rican friends I knew when I was middle school and high school loved how Big Pun would represent for them and that's a beautiful thing!

I didn't think that they'd mention that much about JJFP or KRS-ONE but they did a great segment on both, I was feeling that! :switch: It also showed when FP protested with Chuck D and a lot of other rappers in standing up for hip-hop to get respect at the Grammy's, that shows how much FP loves hip-hop and I liked that they showed him making comments in defending Chuck D and Public Enemy because of the controversy behind the Public Enemy political lyrics. Was it just me or does it look like Will had grey hair when they interviewed him for the documentary? :kekeke: He ain't that old yet! :roll: Overall I liked the show but I was a lil' disappointed that they didn't mention Eric B. and Rakim, Queen Latifah, Slick Rick, Biz Markie, or MC Lyte! :bang: Are they done with the '80s now in the documentary? :dunno:

For your information lambert, I don't like to join the bandwagons like you, I bet you wouldn't like G Unit if they didn't sell 3 million CDs, I liked 50 Cent when he was an underground mc, but I see that he changed his style when he sold 6 million CD's, I was disappointed after hearing "Get Rich Or Die Tryin", half the songs on the album I have to skip over, not consistant compared to his underground mixtapes, besides they're a lot of ignorant people in this world that don't know what real talent is, let them stay ignorant if they want to, I don't hold anything against them, but I like to build intelligence and form my own opinion, I'm an individual, go ahead and be a Jay-Z wannabe if you want to, I like FP and many rappers but I build my own individual style because I don't wanna be like anyone else, it doesn't matter what you say about me because I'm gonna get my due and I don't give a damn if I sell 200 or 2 million CD's I'm gonna remain myself and that's all that matters to me, nobody's taking my soul from me, I rather be one in a million on the low that the average person in the crowd 'cause I'll come up when haters least expect it, go ahead and diss me, I could care less!

That's sad but true in a way AJ, but that should not be an excuse for people to forget about 'em, they had a lot of impact on the game 'cause they brought an original style of rapping to jazz grooves, even if a great artist never makes another album again, they shouldn't be forgotten even after they retire or pass away, their impact should remain strong 'cause look at 2Pac and Run-DMC, they're still considered hip-hop legends even though we don't and won't hear any new material from them 'cause 2Pac's dead and Run-Dmc retired after JMJ passed, as I think about you're right about TLC being underrated 'cause it seems like they're being forgotten after Left Eye passed, just like Big Pun seems forgotten too, and nobody talks about how great DMX has been even though he retired! :sad6: Legends should not be forgotten! Big boi and Dre should get back and do songs together again 'cause "Speakerboxx/Love Below" displays their individual artistic talents but their chemistry together is too phenominal to break apart! :werd:

If all these hip-hop history shows over the next week get a higher rating than their average shows on there, they should showing ol' school hip-hop music videos in their rotation, that'd be dope, I know that'd get me to watch more often, 'cause I usually don't watch VH1 myself, but if people get exposed to real talent then maybe they won't waste money anymore on Nelly CDs and go out and buy KRS-ONE CDS instead! :switch:

Hey Jim all Run-DMC's albums got remastered over the past few years and they haven't gone platinum since '93, "Paid In Full" got Remastered and Rakim never went multiplatinum, so why is it so hard for Jive to remaster albums from one of the highest selling mcs of all time?! :dunno: BTW, didn't Will sign to Interscope Records or was that just a fan making up a rumor?

I ain't a big fan of Ludacris but some of music videos are pretty damn funny, you could tell that FP was his inspiration 'cause some of his rhymes are comical. One of my favorites songs from him is "Move Bitch", he does bring more energy than some rappers out now, I remember when Marcus rapped some of it in Bad Boys II, it's one of my favorite scenes in that movie, it was so damn funny! :roll:

:werd: I got the article from NBA.com right here: Pippen Announces Retirement Six-Time NBA Champion Calls It Quits After 17 Seasons October 5, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls announced today Scottie Pippen has retired. “This was a very difficult decision for me to retire from playing a game that has been such a great part of my life. My family and I would like to thank the fans and the entire Chicago Bulls organization, especially Jerry Reinsdorf and John Paxson, for bringing me back to where I started,” said Pippen. “I am retiring, but I still plan on being around for training camp to help this team. After 17 years, it’s tough for me to just walk away completely.” Pippen, 39, played in 1,178 games and averaged 16.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg and 5.2 apg and 1.96 spg during an illustrious career that placed him among the NBA’s 50 Greatest Players of all-time in 1996 and brought the Bulls six NBA World Championship titles. His 208 career playoff appearances rank second in NBA history behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s 237. Pippen led his teams to post-season appearances in each of his first 16 seasons and compiled NBA Playoff averages of 17.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 5.2 apg and 1.96 spg in 208 games. “Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest Chicago Bulls of all time. His contributions to this franchise during his tenure here have been innumerable,” said Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. “As an organization we thank him for everything. To fully recognize what he has meant to this organization, we plan to have a day in his honor and retire his number 33 at a future date to be determined.” “Scottie Pippen is the epitome of a true professional. He is a great teammate and a winner who is one of the best to ever wear a Bulls uniform,” said Bulls Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations John Paxson. “Our decision to bring Scottie back last summer served us well and it is unfortunate he will not be a leader of our team again this year. Scottie will always be a part of the Chicago Bulls family and we wish him nothing but the best.” During his 12 years in a Bulls uniform, Pippen has affixed his name at or very near the top of every major statistical category in franchise history. He is the team’s all-time leader in 3-point field goals (664) and 3-point field goal attempts (2,031) and ranks second in 12 other categories. His career numbers have also placed him atop the NBA’s all-time leader board in many statistical categories, including 40th in points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), 23rd in assists (6,135) and 13th in minutes played (41,069). Originally drafted by the Seattle SuperSonics in the first round (fifth overall) of the 1987 NBA Draft, Pippen’s draft rights were traded to Chicago for the draft rights to Olden Polynice and future considerations. The 6-8, 228-pound forward/guard spent his first 11 seasons in the NBA with the Bulls and played a significant role in bringing six World Championships to Chicago. The Bulls dealt Pippen to the Houston Rockets on Jan. 22, 1999, in exchange for Roy Rogers and a conditional second-round draft selection. After spending the shortened 1999 season with the Rockets, Houston sent him to the Portland Trail Blazers for Walt Williams, Stacey Augmon, Kelvin Cato, Ed Gray, Carlos Rogers and Brian Shaw on Oct. 2, 1999. Pippen played four seasons in Portland before returning to Chicago as a free agent on July 20, 2003. Happy retirement Pip, you should stay and coach the Bulls this year and take 'em back to the playoffs, I'd love to see you play again but I don't wanna see you hurt! :ditto:

[quote=JumpinJack AJ,Oct 5 2004, 12:12 AM][quote=DefCEM,Oct 4 2004, 08:46 PM] I know, its a stupid question, bt whats the difference between rapper and mc? is an mc doing more than just rapping or what? i dont get it... :what:  :dunno: jjfp rocks the house![/quote] A rapper just raps. Nothing more 2 it. Pretty much anybody can be a rapper. An Emcee / MC is best discribed by Rakim as someone who can "[b][u]m[/u][/b]ove the [b][u]c[/u][/b]rowd." A rapper who can relate 2 their fans and get a reaction from them, that's an emcee. These days rappers don't know how 2 perform, put on a show, and even have a personality. FP, Run, Rakim, KRS put on a show that people love and they draw the fans in. People like Ludacris, Nelly, 50 Cent simply get on stage, scream alot, cuss, and walk around with a posse of like 2-5 no namers. When people like FP, Wyclef, KRS, and so on put on a show, they talk 2 the audience and they put on a quality show. MC Hammer did it with shiny suits and like 100 back up dancers...but people like JJ+FP and Run-DMC did with just microphones and turntables. It didn't matter the level of show...if u can reach people, u are an emcee. Rappers these days just don't know how 2 perform [/quote] Hip-Hop is about putting on a show and it's more than about spitting rhymes, like KRS-One said in that song they're 9 elements:MC'ing, Beat Boxing, Graffiti Art, Street Language, Street Knowledge, DJ'ing, Street Fashion, Street Entrepeneuar Realism, and of course Break Dancing. You talk about putting on a good show, I like to watch tapes of ol' school Soul Train that my father taped in the '70s, that's some real performancers who knew how to rock the house, these cats today that go on Soul Train have nothing on what they did. If you checked the BET Awards last year when they gave James Brown the award for lifetime achievement (50 years of performing! ) he put on a great show when he performed his greatest hits, at 75 years old, he displayed more energy than rappers that're 50 years younger than him performing at that show like 50 Cent, and Michael Jackson came on stage and rocked the house with him, it was an ultimate performance, today's rappers should learn from them legends how to put on a show! I know I'm learning from them that's for sure 'cause I respect the game!

Hey I'm 5 inches taller than Spud Webb and I still can't dunk!

The Eagles-Bears game was on Fox Philadelphia(Channel 20 in Seaside Heights, New Jersey) and the Giants-Packers game was on Fox New York(Channel 5 in Seaside Heights, New Jersey). Did anyone watch the Monday Night Football game between the Chiefs and Ravens last night on ABC? The Chiefs won their 1st game of the season 27-24, Priest Holmes ran for 2 TDs and Deion Sanders didn't play because he was hurt with his hamstring, he shoulda stayed retired. I was switching between that and the VH1 hip-hop special at 10 PM when that came on.

Hey now all those fans who only listen to new school hip-hop should check out the lyrics from this 2003 song "9 Elements" by KRS-ONE where he rapped about what real hip-hop is all about, they should buy his albums to find out what real talent is, I love this song so much Well my ladies and gentlemen This is a rapsession and my name is "KRS-One!" And when I talk about "Hip-Hop Music!", I know [Kris] One : Breaking or breakdancing Rally b-boying, freestyle or streetdancin' Two : MC'ing or rap Divine speech what I'm doing right now no act Three: Grafitti art or burning bombin' Taggin', writin', now you're learning! uh! Four : DJ'ing, we ain't playing! {*scratch*} You know what I'm saying! Five : Beatboxing Give me a {*beatboxin*} Yes and we rockin'! Six : Street fashion, lookin' fly Catchin' the eye while them cats walk on by Seven: Street language, our verbal communication Our codes throughout the nation Eight: Street knowledge, common sense The wisdom of the elders from way back whence Nine : Street entrepreneur realism No job, just get up call 'em and get 'em Here's how I'm tellin' it, all 9 Elements We stand in love, no we're never failing it Intelligent? No doubt Hip-Hop? We're not selling it out, we're just lettin' it out If you're checkin' us out this hour, we teatchin' hip-hop Holy integrated people have it, I'm the present power! [Chorus] Rap is something you do! 3x Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* Rap is something you do! Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* [Kris] Skaters, BMX-bike riders rock Don't you ever stop! You are hip-hop You doing the same things we did on our block in the suburbs You know you be packing that black block Selling that crackrock and ecstacy Gettin' pissydrunk, fallin' out next to me But like I told those in the ghettoes Here's the facts! True hip-hop is so much more than that Some much more than rap, so much more than beats Hip-hop is all about victory over the streets What you see on TV is a lie That's not something you wanna live or pattern your life by But, huh that's too much preachin' ain't it? You don't want the ?education?, you wanna be dead on the pavement Well, so be it, some of ya'll ain't gonna see it Others wanna enslave your mind! Kris wanna free it! [Chorus] Rap is something you do! 5x Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* "Oh yea" *scratched* --- From "P is dead" "I have spent my whole life livin'", "talk to the fullest", "no doubt" [Kris] You know that's why these rappers can't hang Cause the essence of hip-hop is not a material thang They so careless, hip-hop is in a {?} we give Rap we do, hip-hop we live How many times I gotta say it? How the radio ain't gonna play it And you hip-hoppers sit back and okay it Think about it! (think about it) The present course of action, we have got to reroute it! [Chorus: repeat 3X] Hip-Hop is something you live! You see ol' school mcs spit reality while new school mcs rap like life's a movie! :ditto:

It flows so well! :thumb: Keep on posting 'em! :rock:

It was on today? :dunno: I guess they're trying to make up for all the time that they don't show hip-hop then but showing everything at once!

Chuck D supports 50 Cent 'cause he just loves the hip-hop culture as a whole just like FP does 'cause Will's cool with Nelly too they did that MTV interview together a couple of years ago, and Rev. Run talked about how Eminem has some skills in what he rhymes, they know deep down that these cats are wack but they just wanna see hip-hop stay out there no matter who's there these cats never really got in a hip-hop beef and they don't wanna start one now 'cause they want peace and that's not being soft, they're just trying to lead these young cats in the right direction but it seems like no matter what they're told they don't listen anyway! :bang: Even when KRS-ONE beefed with Nelly he said in an interview that Nelly's a talented artist but he just needs some direction on how to make real hip-hop and should respect the veterans that struggled for Nelly to get success that he's getting now! You're right AJ about Mary J. Blidge being hip-hop she expresses a lot of pain and emotion in her songs from her soul, that's what real hip-hop is, music from the soul, before hip-hop started there was artists like James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Ray Charles, and Marvin Gaye who blueprinting the basis of real hip-hop, music with heart and a strong message, you gotta give it up to them!

[quote=lambertj3,Oct 4 2004, 07:49 AM]RESPECTFULLY bigted thats YOUR opinion not evryone will agree with you on that maybe on this board yes but everyone on here makes up of about 5% of the world and you can't tell them they know what real hip hop is because its a matter of personal prefference , i can't tell u what real hip hop is because we have a difference of opinion, it's all about PREFERNCE![/quote] It seems that I can back up my opinion and you can't that's the difference between me and you, what's the use of saying something when you can't just back it up! Maybe I would respect ur opinion more if you said something of why G-Unit is relevant, what else do they offer to the game besides songs about ****ing bitches and having phat rides, I do like some gangsta rap groups like NWA that make songs more than just about that 'cause songs like "F*** The Police" and "Express Yourself" have strong conscious messages to them, they're more hardcore hip-hop, but they're considered a gangsta rap group technically and G-Unit has nothing on them 'cause they're not conscious about anything, some other group will come along soon and take their place on the charts and nobody'll remember them after they fall off ! :ditto: At least AJ and me back up our opinions so shut up if you can't 'cause I don't respect people that can't back up their opinions! :ali:

[quote=Hero1,Oct 4 2004, 06:36 AM]how do you know hip hop if you dont know where its come from? kids these days they know 50 g-unit and thats all.. talk to em abt epmd and they got no idea.. they dont understand the impact public enemy had.. what run dmc did for rap.. etc etc[/quote] They should watch the VH1 special this week to learn about the real essence of hip-hop. Do you know what real hip-hop is lambert and if u did, u think that D12 and G-Unit could actually be considered legends, explain it to us 'cause we wanna know how they could stack up against Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, De La Soul, NWA, Get Fresh Crew, Juice Crew, Boogie Down Productions, Eric B. and Rakim, JJFP, Salt-N-Pepa, Run-DMC, Naughty By Nature, Fugees, Beastie Boys, Gangstarr, Nice and Smooth, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Outlawz, Outkast, Digital Underground, Geto Boys, Sugar Hill Gang, Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five, Afika Bambattaa and The Zulu Nation, I could go on all day naming groups that're better than them, they can't even hold their own against Rough Ryders or Terror Squad let alone these other groups I mentioned, and I'm only naming groups here that're better than them, I could name a bunch of solo artists too that're better than 50 Cent and Eminem and back it up with proof not propaganda, the only reason why they're hot is 'cause Dr. Dre makes beats for them and it seems like people like beats better than lyrics these days 'cause they ain't sayin' nothin' intelligent when they rap, he should keep those beats and make his own album 'cause he doesn't need them since he's a legend already! Let's see if you could answer my question in a paragraph and not a 2 sentence answer!

Speaking about little guys I'm amazed about how Spudd Webb beat Dominique Wilkins in the slam dunk competition in the '80s, he's only 5'7 and he won over one of the greatest dunkers of all time, he musta had a mini-trampelene in his sneakers to get that high!