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What's up y'all there was some exciting games yesterday, the Eagles beat the Bears yesterday 19-9 where both teams played strong defense but the Bears were no match for the Eagles! :switch: I couldn't belive that the Giants beat the Packers 14-7, there was no score at halftime, but Brett Favre got hurt with a concussion so the offense hurt as a result! Anybody else watch games yesterday?

It sounds like something that teeny bop fans who think that 50 Cent and Eminem are the greatest rappers should watch so that they'll know about hip-hop's history so that way they could spend their money on real hip-hop classics! :ditto:

There's no doubt that it's gonna be dope, this is FP we talkin' about here, he's been consistant for 18+ years, I don't think that he'll come wack now! Let FP take his time with it and get the proper promotion ready for it so that he'll come back and hit the industry strong!

The Raptors had an awesome team 4 years ago when Mugsy was playing for them, they had: Vince Carter, Charles Oakley, Tracy Mcgrady, Mugsy Bogues, Dell Curry, Jerome Williams( aka junk yard dawg), and Kevin Willis(he's played with a lot of different teams in his 20 year career), they were upset in the 1st round though by the NY Knicks who lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Pacers, time sure flies, that felt like yesterday, I can remember Funkmaster Flex talking on Hot 97 about how Reggie Miller beat the Knicks again!

I do represent my own style, but what I mean by representin' 4 others I mean I'm trying to represent for the struggle that my people I know go through and I bring that energy when I rap rather than being just rappin' to just get myself rich and famous, I wanna help them, I know I could have a deal right now 'cause I got the talent, but the industry ain't representin' that type of emotion that would want me to get in so I ain't gonna change my image to get it, I'm not lookin' to be good enough for a label, I'm looking for a label that's good enough for what I wanna bring to the table, I rap to help change the world into more of a positive place, I know I'll eventually get my due in time, look at DMX it took him almost 15 years rapping before he got signed to Def Jam. BTW, I am well respected by my friends and fam for my rappin', of course there are a few friends that I had that turned their backs on me 'cause my style's too real for them and they're just jealous, I bet they'll wanna be down when I get my own record company though! :roll:

It's aight man, it ain't the best you did but it's good though, don't try and say n**** too much though, 'cause a lot of cats say that already and that gets played out in my opinion, it's cool that you get inspired by artists but you gotta remain original, I know you could do better, I'm gonna say this to motivate you man if you really wanna make success out of this! :ditto:

The entire '90s was such a great era of basketball, it wasn't just Michael Jordan 'cause he had a lot of competition, even the teams that missed the playoffs had a lot of talent, I was chatting with Tim about this yesterday, the '96 Charlotte Hornets had great players on it: Larry Johnson, Glen Rice, Dell Curry, Robert Parish, and Mugsy Bogues, not a bad starting 5, and Kenny Anderson filled in when Mugsy Bogues was hurt that year! :rock: They missed the playoffs though, but I bet they would've been the best team in the East if it were '04(at least until now when Shaq is on the Heat), that's how bad the talent has gotten, that's why I feel sad everytime one of the players that I grew up watching is now retiring 'cause there's not enough young talent comin' in anymore, players like Carmelo Anthony and Lebron James will never get to Michael Jordan or Dominique Wilkins legendary status. But there are some good role models in the NBA though we just don't here that much about it as we should, the other day on ESPN2 I saw Robert Parish go on there and talk about how he's starting a charity to help people that have spinal cord problems but you know they won't ever mention that again like they would if he were caught having drugs on him, you see controversy sells more than anything and that's sad! :sad6: Dikembe Mutombo donates millions of dollars of his NBA salary to build a hospital to help sick children to Africa but that doesn't get emphasised as much as a Lebron James sneaker commercial, Mutombo should be the one that gets paid $100 Million 'cause he uses his money to help others and that's what more should do! :ditto:

It's unfortunate that he doesn't get enough credit for playing the game the honest way, but people only pay attention to home runs and we have to wonder if some of those guys that're hitting 50+ home runs are on steroids, I'm a huge Barry Bonds' fan but it seemed weird that he had his 1st 50+ home run season when he was 37 years old, he was consitantly hitting 30+ home runs since '87 but all of a sudden he hits 73 in one year, it doesn't compute, his stolen base numbers actually have been abissmal since 2000 he has only 5 steals this year(Rickey Henderson has 37 stolen bases in the independent leagues at 45 years old and yet no major league team wants to sign him :bang: ), Bonds was stealing 30+ bases each year since '87 until then, something's not computing here, his leg strength decreased, but his arm strength increased? Back to Ichiro here, this is amazing considering how many great hitters have came along since then and are hall of famers and couldn't break this record, not even Pete Rose, Ted Williams, or George Brett came close to doing this, if Ichiro keeps this up he might have over 4000 career hits, he's amazing! :rock:

I check the Bulls' roster over at nba.com/bulls and Scottie Pippen's still on the roster, we'll know next week if he shows up at training camp if he's ready to play. The WNBA season's still going on, you can't front on them, those ladies got skills, when the league 1st started in '97 I wasn't much into it but a few years later I started to watch more and more they have a lot of talent there, the US Women team did something that the men failed to do bring home the gold, Sheryl Swoopes is such a great shooter, if she played on the mens team they would've done better 'cause it seems that the men struggled to make jumpshots that Swoopes consistantly hit! Karl Malone's daughter plays for the Detroit Shock and they won the WNBA championship last year, so she could talk trash to her dad about winning a championship and he didn't in his career now that he's retiring this year, his knee's not ready to go this season unfortunately! :sad6: I think the New York Liberty are gonna win the WNBA championship after beating the Shock in the 1st round of the playoffs, I'm surprised they're doing so well after trading away Teresa Witherspoon who was the heart and soul of that team, she's the female version of John Stockton, plays well in the clutch! I think that the talent of the WNBA is just as good as the NBA now, they deserve more credit than they get! :thumb:

So AJ you don't think that Will would ever collaborate with any of the ol' school artists that ain't on the Billboard charts anymore but are still dope on the underground like KRS-ONE, Public Enemy, Biz Markie, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, and MC Lyte? I don't understand that, artists should be judged by their talent not their record sales, in my opinion these cats that I mentioned above have more talent than the entire Billboard 200 combined right now (except for LL, Outkast, Fat Joe, and 213 of course)! I rather not see Will collaborate with any mainstream mcs other than those 4 I mentioned, Kanye West, and Nas, but other than that he should just do solo tracks rather than wasting time on suckers wack albums or ruining the flow of his album by putting sucker mcs on his albums! :ditto:

[quote=JumpinJack AJ,Oct 2 2004, 12:55 PM]One thing about Cassidy's comment. Hip-Hop is worldwide...but it's product of the US. Here in the US, this young generation has been raised 2 have pride rather than have confidence. With pride comes self-centeredness, ignorance, and a lack of thinking. I don't think Cassidy really said anything that bad, but it dose comes off as some new jack rapper commenting on a legend in a way that isn't totally respectful. These new guys like Nelly and 50 come out with all this pride which is foolishness. They think they are unstoppable and that nobody can touch them. Since their talent is often non-existent, their careers are short and forgetable. In the meantime, they don't pay respect 4 the legends who took Hip-Hop 2 where it is. FP is a legend...no new cats have the right 2 speak about him without giving him props...period. The same goes for those like LL, KRS, Rakim. These new guys need 2 watch what they say cuz they have nothing on the true skool of Hip-Hop.[/quote] I'm feeling your points AJ! Cassidy should also recognize that when FP came out he put Philly on the map, disrespecting FP is like disrespecting Philly 'cause he's done so much for that city where he's from. Confidance and respect is what a lot of these new rappers lack, but that's what seperates me from the pack as a young rapper, I have as much respect for the cats that I've grown up listening to as I do in my confidance in delivering my flows, that's why I don't have a record deal 'cause I ain't trying to be a gimmick, I represent with heart for more people than just myself, while a lot of these young mcs only represent themselves. I'm gonna put my time in then gradually I'll get my due the right way!

It wasn't pointless, if it was more organized it could've worked, people started to post articles about Will in there that should've been posted in the CD or Movie section, that forum could've stayed for only sports and current event news that don't relate to music or JJFP and "Caught In The Middle" could've been just for a music disscussion about other artists besides JJFP. Organization is all that was needed! :ditto:

You gotta be like Emmitt Smith and find your way to the endzone To be a legend you have to set goals and not let bumps and bruises effect the soul

Check out this article I found over at ESPN.com Friday, October 1, 2004 Associated Press SEATTLE -- No. 258 for Ichiro Suzuki was like so many others, a little ground ball up the middle. Only this one made history, a hit cheered 'round the world. Suzuki set the major league record for hits in a season Friday night, breaking George Sisler's 84-year-old mark with a pair of early singles as the Seattle Mariners beat the Texas Rangers 8-3. Friday, Oct. 1 While Ichiro's single-season hits accomplishment is impressive, we never should push accomplishments from the past aside -- because the season has more games today. There should be two records, one for the 162-game season and one for the 154-game season. I believe baseball ought to have two record books for all records, and both sets of records should be held in high esteem. Baseball should not diminish what George Sisler achieved with his 257-hit season. Hitters who played the same 154-game schedule came close several times but never surpassed it. And we'll never know how many more hits Sisler would have had if he'd played 162 games. Likewise, what Ichiro has done is impressive because baseball has seen more than 30 years of the 162-game schedule and no one has come close until now. So give both Sisler and Ichiro their due. "Through my career, I think this is the best moment," Suzuki said through an interpreter. "I can't really put it into words." Suzuki later got another hit, giving him 259 this season and a major league-leading .373 average. Suzuki chopped a leadoff single in the first inning, then put himself in the record book with a bouncer in the third. "I think that's the most emotional I've ever gotten in my life," said Suzuki, who is known for his steely, methodical approach. Fireworks exploded after Suzuki's big hit reached the outfield, creating a haze over Safeco Field, and his teammates mobbed him at first base. "Goose bumps aren't even the right word," Seattle manager Bob Melvin said. "That second hit almost brought tears to my eyes. ... If you're talking about sending a guy up for a hit, this guy is the best ever." With the fans still cheering, Suzuki ran over to the first-base seats and shook hands with Sisler's 81-year-old daughter, Frances Sisler Drochelman, and other members of the Hall of Famer's family. "My father would have been delighted," Drochelman said moments later. "He would be so happy to know such a fine young man was doing so well." Across the Pacific, fans in downtown Tokyo watched Suzuki in sports bars and on big-screen monitors. A crowd also gathered at the city hall in Suzuki's hometown in Aichi prefecture. "I would like to give him my heartfelt congratulations," Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said. "He has made extra efforts in addition to having a natural gift." Added Suzuki's father, Nobuyuki: "You can tell how happy and proud I am just by looking at me. The tears just won't stop flowing." Fans booed when plate umpire Joe West called a rare third strike on Suzuki in the eighth. Reliever Michael Tejera got the strikeout. But fans were back on their feet when Suzuki left for substitute Hiram Bocachica with two outs in the ninth. Mariners manager Bob Melvin made the move to let Suzuki get one more ovation, and the right fielder jogged in to cheers. "I just hope people realize the monumental effort it took to surpass this record, which has stood so long," said Seattle hitting coach Paul Molitor, who joined the Hall of Fame this summer. Sisler set the hits record in 1920 with the St. Louis Browns over a 154-game schedule. Suzuki broke it in the Mariners' 160th game of the year. His two early hits came off Ryan Drese, making Suzuki 10-for-20 lifetime against him. Suzuki's sixth-inning infield single came off John Wasdin. Drese ran the count full in the third, and Suzuki hit a bouncer up the middle, out of the reach of shortstop Michael Young. As the cheers got louder, Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira shook Suzuki's hand. "It was an honor to be here and see it," Rangers manager Buck Showalter said. "I wish I'd been in the stands instead of the dugout." Moments after Suzuki's 258th hit, he scored his 100th run of the season. The Mariners batted around in the third inning, and Suzuki hit a long fly that Laynce Nix caught on the run for the third out. Passing George Sisler Year Player Hits 2004 Ichiro 259 1920 Sisler 257 1930 Bill Terry 254 1929 Lefty O'Doul 254 1925 Al Simmons 253 1922 Rogers Hornsby 250 1930 Chuck Klein 250 1911 Ty Cobb 248 1922 Sisler 246 Note: Suzuki has tonight and two games remaining There was a scary moment for Suzuki in the top of the third. The Gold Glove right fielder chased a foul ball by Ken Huckaby that landed in the stands, and casually hopped up on the low, padded fence -- but then lost his balance. Suzuki fell awkwardly and came down straddling the fence, but was OK. "I was very excited tonight. Maybe I was going along with that. I'm glad nothing happened," he said. The crowd was on its feet and players in both dugouts were standing at the top rail when Suzuki led off the bottom of the first. Suzuki quickly matched the mark, bouncing a single over the head of third baseman Hank Blalock. Fans chanted "I-chi-ro! I-chi-ro!" and he acknowledged the ovation, briefly taking off his batting helmet. Each member of the family was in high spirits, fully expecting Suzuki to claim the record over the weekend. "I'd be totally shocked if Ichiro didn't get it," grandson Bo Drochelman said before the game. "We're here to celebrate baseball and my grandfather." Suzuki's first-inning single was his 919th hit in the majors, breaking the record for most hits over a four-year span. Bill Terry of the New York Giants set the previous record of 918 hits from 1929-32. About 115 journalists from Japan were credentialed for the three-game series. The 30-year-old Suzuki, a four-time All-Star, was a huge star in Japan during his nine seasons with Orix in Japan's Pacific League. He got 1,278 hits playing in his home country, and he left Japan with a .353 hitting average. Earlier this season, Suzuki became the first player to collect at least 200 hits in each of his first major league seasons. His 222 singles this year also are a major league single-season record. Suzuki was the American League's MVP and Rookie of the Year in 2001, his first season playing in the United States. He's also been a star with his defense in right field, winning three Gold Gloves in his first three seasons. Well done Ichiro! :clap: He's the best leadoff hitter since Rickey Henderson!

Eminem is too overrated, he gets recognition that other artists deserve much more!

That's an awesome story 3cookies, I guess Kevin Willis is a pretty down to earth guy then huh? That's great to hear after all these years of being a professional athlete, he never forgets his friends and doesn't let success get to his head like some in the entertainment and sports industry do, that kinda sounds like how Will never forgot 'bout his friends in Philly! :thumb: You still talk to him? What kind of music does he listen to? You should get him to post here so we could all say what's up to him! I got much respect for Kevin Willis, he's one of the hardest working players in the NBA, even after winning the NBA championship with the Spurs in 2003 he's still playing, I thought that he might have retired like David Robinson after winning one finally, he might break Robert Parish's record for career games played soon! :rock: He might not go to the hall of fame but he has something that Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley never won in their careers, that NBA championship ring, so he could talk trash to them about that!

Kevin Willis is a great center, very underrated considering that he's played in the same era as guys like Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Yao Ming, Robert Parish, and Dikembe Mutombo, but he fits right in that group, didn't he sign with the Hawks this season? They got some good players this year in the offseason, they signed Kevin Willis and Kenny Anderson among others they could make a run for the playoffs this year. My favorite team is the Chicago Bulls of course as I mentioned many tijmes in the "So Fresh" forum, I was hoping that the Bulls would sign Kevin Willis as a free agent in the offseason especially after trading Dikembe Mutombo away to the Rockets! :bang: Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan had so many memorable slam dunk competitions against each other, I was to young to see it though, but of course they show it on ESPN Classic now! :thumb: I hear Dennis Rodman's trying to make a comeback again, he tried out for the Nuggets, maybe he'll be playing with Carmello Anthony this year! :rock: I would like to see Mark Jackson finish his career where it started like Kevin Willis is doing, by going back to the Knicks, he would be a great mentor to help Stephon Marbury take his game to the next level, and I would like to see the Bulls bring back Horace Grant and Charles Oakley they're 40 years old but they still have skills, Eddy Curry's making progress but he needs help that Grant and Oakley would provide, they're such great defenders and could crash the boards well that's why they've played for almost 20 years now, like Kevin Willis they get overlooked but they're great players though! If the Bulls brought those guys back Scottie Pippen will give it another shot to play this season and the Bulls would head back to the top one more time! :clap:

What about Eve? She's a female mc but raps aggressive like a man, did you ever listen to the songs where she rapped with DMX, especially on the "Rough Ryder's Anthem"(Remix), that ain't skills? :dunno: Ludacris does have some skills too but he sounds too repetitive, he raps the exact same things over and over sometimes. Scarface is the best rapper that ever came out from the South, he's been in the game as long as JJFP, Ludacris looked up to Scarface growing up, give respect where respect is due!

Aight I will then. All the posts that we did there don't count on our totals anymore too, are they gonna be subtracted from there since the forum doesn't exist?

Where am I gonna post about the NBA and NFL now? :dunno:

[quote=mfuqua23,Oct 1 2004, 01:37 PM]No no. Not like Rakim. Paid in Full. That should be the stores saying that. U can go Broke In Full tho. [/quote] True, true! :roll: I'm serious though about wanting to get that "Keep Right" album I can't find it anywhere, nobody here ever tried to get it? Someone hook me up, I need that KRS album, I'm addicted to his rhymes, they make me feel high!

U wouldn't wanna see FP collaborate with Public Enemy or Kanye West? :dunno: I don't wanna see FP on Ludacris or Ja Rule albums 'cause I don't buy their albums anyway! I read on here though that there's gonna be a Ludacris collaboration, I hope it doesn't make the cut! :bang: Kanye West is the one of only a few new school mcs that I wanna see collaborate with Will. LL Cool J has done many collaborations on other cats albums and I don't consider him a cameo whore, it's actually showing love 'cause the artists rapped on his albums so he returns the favor by rapping on their albums. Don't you think that FP should rap on Slick Rick's, Biz Markie's, Lil' Kim's, MC Lyte's, and Eve's albums 'cause they took time out to rap on "Willenium"? I think that it's only fair. BTW, Imagine the "Code Red" spitting a verse on Nas' "Halftime" that'd been dope, it woulda gave FP more street cred if he did that and spit a verse on The Fugees song "How Many Mics", that'd made "The Score" more memorable, or even the "He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper" FP rapping on LL Cool J's "Jingling Baby", we don't have time machines so that means it couldn't have happened. I'm only talking about Will collaborating with great artists here. I think it's fun when artists collaborate with each other but when it's done too much it does get wack, I see ur point there AJ, but FP has gotta collaborate with rappers like Nas, KRS-ONE, Public Enemy, and LL Cool J at least once in his career to prove that he's not a Hollywood rapper like the media has been labeling him since he went to Columbia, he needs to get back some hip-hop cred, 'cause everything he's done has been 100% hip-hop!

What's up y'all I wanted to make a new topic about Will being on other albums 'cause he doesn't really make appearances on other cats albums, you could say now 'cause he's acting, but back in the day when he went on tour with old school legends he coulda collaborated with them. You can't change the past but... It would've been hot if FP was on "It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" by Public Enemy, he could of spit some of his comical rhymes with Flava Flav on "Cold Lampin'" I have many more albums that I feel woulda been a perfect blend if FP was on it including "College DropOut" by Kanye West, the song "All Falls Down" is a type of track that Big Will would love to spit on, such a great song. Well they've been hanging out recently as Hero said so it is possible that we'll hear somethin' from them! :switch: Aight enough of me making suggestions, I wanna see what y'all think about what album woulda fit well for FP to spit on!

[quote=JumpinJack AJ,Sep 30 2004, 10:51 PM]TLC - Man, these girls accomplished so much for Hip-Hop, R-N-B, and females in general. They tackled struggle after struggle and still came out on top. However, after the loss of Left Eye, millions of fans turned their back on them. Their album 3D only sold just over a million copies. That's messed up. Another case of sell-out fans and self-centered record labels. Q-Tip - After being the main attraction to A Tribe Called Quest, then dropping 2 huge solo singles and one of the better albums of the late 90's...his label wouldn't support his 2nd solo album becuz it waz heavily jazzed up and not 2 much like his 1st. Craig Mack - one of the better emcees 2 rise 2 fame in the 90's. However, it seemed like the flashy, jiggy, less talented rappers kept their fame while he kinda faded away. Bell Biv DeVoe - They started a revolution of mixing Hip-Hop with R-N-B (rapping over R-N-B beats, and singing over Hip-Hop beats, and so on). These days it's a common thing, but these guys really put it on the map (and did it the right way). When they came back in 2001, i waz mad 2 see them ignored.[/quote] Hey AJ it was shocking that "3D" only sold a million copies but to say that they're underrated would be like saying Boyz II Men is underrated they're the highest selling groups of all time, they sold more records than JJFP, they're not underrated! You can't mention BBD without mentioning Guy who actually came out before BBD with that new jack swing hip-hop style in r&b, that's not a diss to BBD 'cause I love them too, but Guy never really got their props record sales wise, they could eat groups like B2K alive now! Craig Mack seemed to be another one of those mcs that helped made P.Diddy rich but then got ****ted on by him, Black Rob, Shyne, and G Dep are also prime examples of this, they would all ghost write rhymes for P.Diddy too, P. Diddy is just an ass kisser who can't do anything for himself. And yes it seems that people have forgotten about Q-Tip and A Tribe Called Quest, G Unit will never have anything on them and Q-Tip could beat 50 Cent in a freestyle battle 'cause he's an incredible lyricist, I would pay to see that battle! :switch:

Round to knock out mc suckers that fail to rise above the struggle, JJFP's the biggest piece in the hip-hop puzzle That'll prove why FP was the mc chosen to potray the life of "Ali"