no1wammy

I really wanna hear the Warren G tracks. Unfortunately, I'm not an active member. However, I am willing to show off my playlist just to give you the heads up that I'm still down with the Fresh Prince. More on this in Caught In The Middle forum (entitled My Playlist Has Gone Mad). What about the collabos with Will and Jay-Z that are on the Exclusive JJFP Rare Tracks Forum? Are they legit? And, is the remix version to "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" available in its uncensored version? It's required because of this: a few months back, I sent a letter to Flash of the Original Hip Hop Lyrics Archive inquiring about this discovery. He doesn't seem to believe it because the Big Pun, R.O.C. and Cam'ron verses made it a little hardcore for Will, but nonetheless, he is still interested in hearing this remix. That way, he can determine if this song was actually promoted. I have a hunch that this song was released, but only as a promo. Notice the mixtape shoutouts.

For a long time, I've been wanting to do this, but I never got the chance to ask. Which of the following songs did Will Smith, DJ Jazzy Jeff or both of them (as DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince) leave off as unreleased? This includes collaborations, songs that appeared on mixtapes, and songs that were originally uncensored. I say this because the Fresh Prince rarely curses, and if a song had some sort of profanity, and was reluctant to make it to the album (like "Big Willie Style," "Don't Say Nuthin," and "Tell Me Why"), the curse word is immediately edited out.

I've heard about active member for a while, but I don't know what it really means. Do I have to post a certain amount of messages, or do I have to be logged in for a certain time? What?

Anytime I use this symbol (>), it means that I'm quoting. I don't usually put the postee's name cause I have to rush my messages. I'm a busy man, you know. I'm not really fond of the "quote" code, but please understand where I'm coming from... Actually, I can't. I said "hentai" once on the Insaniquarium Forum, and nearly got banned for it. How's that for an explanation?

> What are you trying to say? Sorry, it wasn't a good week for yours truly. I've been up and down the mountains lately in a figurative sense. > I don't know. When I heard Will as FP with "Parents Just Don't Understand," I found him to be entertaining, funny, and creative. "Summertime" was also a favorite of mine, and in this one, he's laid back, calm, and charming - pre-Baby Bash if you'd wanna call it (pre-Lil' Rob for "Summer Nights"). Since his split with Jazzy Jeff (holla!), Will's gone out into making title tracks for movies ("Men In Black" and "Wild Wild West"), built bridges with father and son ("Just The Two Of Us"), delivered old school beats and rhymes sans brawn ("So Fresh" and "Yes Yes Y'All"), and came back with big party anthems ("Getting Jiggy Wit It" and "Switch"). Just a little intro on how Will started out as a duo and how he got back on his feet on his own. The pre-Baby Bash nod is in fact a comparison tool for Baby Bash. For evidence, go to Rapreviews.com and read Bash's "Tha Smokin' Nephew" and "Super Saucy" reviews. > With Lost and Found, I find him to be more concerned of whether Smith fits with the whole hip hop image of today. But remember that he had some of this venom since "Willenium", when he first requested all rappers to "write one verse without a curse" on "Freakin' It." On "Born To Reign", he seemed to have hidden this inner rage with a bunch of love songs (I can only assume on the rage part). Most likely, he didn't want to do this because he may be afraid of what fans will think of his "new approach." To be honest, I never heard the album. I only pick up impressions of this through reviews and snippets at BarnesandNoble.com, ArtistDirect and Rapreviews.com. I did listen to Big Willie Style, Willenium and his Greatest Hits Compilation. I did see the video for 1000 Kisses, which gave me the impression that it was more of a lovely-love level than it was for the fans. > In "Switch," you were looking at a vibrant, vigorous old school cat who had a more street delivery - a Willie with a Wesson, if you like to call it. Yes, it was gritty, but it was a style that I think Will had never before used in comparison to "Getting Jiggy," the single that brought him back to platinum status. Think about it. The only times Will ever got hard without hitting you on the head with hurt words were the unreleased remix of "Getting Jiggy Wit It" and "Uuhhh," though the latter was a tad pre-mature. The game show lines in his verse examplify this ("Wheel a Fortune away / Price Is Right, I don't play / Find yourself in Jeopardy / First clue 'What is / Will Smith,' hot to death, not you"). > I don't really care. I like it when he expresses himself freely without having to con or carbon-copy his way to the top. What concerns me on the lyrics side is if he's willing to admit he's "past his times," and whether he can use his past tracks in order to mature lyrically on his album, the same way like Beck did with "Odelay" for his "Guero" album. Again, read the reviews at music.bn.com or artistdirect.com for Beck's "Odelay" and "Guero". Will Smith is not aimed at in both of these reviews, but it does relate to him for the fact that he needs to push the envelope a little further in his rhymes (the uncensored "ass" is a start somewhat), and only the need for growth in his style can fix that. Beck did. Like I said, I really didn't care if Will dumbed it down or not. It's his choice, but he needs to understand where it's going to lead him. Why do you think "Lost & Found" didn't do well on Billboard? Tony G and Julio G of 93.5 KDAY might be able to answer this question. They did an interview with ChicanoRapSource.com about why Chicanos aren't getting any radio play. You might be able to interpret some of this interview for our loyal Fresh Prince. Here's the direct link to the website: http://www.chicanorapsource.com Make sure to click on Videos to go to the interview.

You guys sure love your Big Willies. As for dumbing down and straightening the seriousness... I don't know. When I heard Will as FP with "Parents Just Don't Understand," I found him to be entertaining, funny, and creative. "Summertime" was also a favorite of mine, and in this one, he's laid back, calm, and charming - pre-Baby Bash if you'd wanna call it (pre-Lil' Rob for "Summer Nights"). Since his split with Jazzy Jeff (holla!), Will's gone out into making title tracks for movies ("Men In Black" and "Wild Wild West"), built bridges with father and son ("Just The Two Of Us"), delivered old school beats and rhymes sans brawn ("So Fresh" and "Yes Yes Y'All"), and came back with big party anthems ("Getting Jiggy Wit It" and "Switch"). With Lost and Found, I find him to be more concerned of whether Smith fits with the whole hip hop image of today. But remember that he had some of this venom since "Willenium", when he first requested all rappers to "write one verse without a curse" on "Freakin' It." On "Born To Reign", he seemed to have hidden this inner rage with a bunch of love songs (I can only assume on the rage part). Most likely, he didn't want to do this because he may be afraid of what fans will think of his "new approach." In "Switch," you were looking at a vibrant, vigorous old school cat who had a more street delivery - a Willie with a Wesson, if you like to call it. * Yes, it was gritty, but it was a style that I think Will had never before used in comparison to "Getting Jiggy," the single that brought him back to platinum status. Dumb or serious? I don't really care. I like it when he expresses himself freely without having to con or carbon-copy his way to the top. What concerns me on the lyrics side is if he's willing to admit he's "past his times," and whether he can use his past tracks in order to mature lyrically on his album, the same way like Beck did with "Odelay" for his "Guero" album. Collabos... go back to the "Who should will collaborate with" thread. I made a list as to who Will fits best with. You can check that out on my profile. > Why Nelson Mandela had to live in a cage.... For those who've never heard of Nelson Mandela (I haven't): http://www.anc.org.za/people/mandela.html Really? He lived in a cage? * I can't wait to use that on my raps. "I wash myself with a rag on a stick" - Nancy Cartwright (as Bart Simpson)

That was my post, Trey. I sent a letter to Hero to see if he can fix the problem. The time alloted for log in got cut before I could finish the post. As you can see, it was a pretty long one.

That's odd. When I read the bottom, it said: 1 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It (Album Version) 2 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It (DJ Scratch Remix) Remix - DJ Scratch 3 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It (So So Def Remix) Featuring - R.O.C. (2) Remix - Jermaine Dupri 4 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It (DJ Scratch Remix Instrumental) Remix - DJ Scratch Let me hear the version you have.

Swizz Beatz better go get off his @$$ and produce a track for Tatyana Ali's new album. Yeah. Her saying **** was an instant surprise. I had to drag the WMPlayer mark back a few seconds to make sure. Now it only leaves me wondering whether Kel or Will will curse anytime soon. Flash from OHHLA, if you're reading this. Check this one out. What's the expiration for this file? If need to, I'll put it on Limewire.

> Probably not, considering they were doing a song together on the same album, he is just frustrated that people see his music as below other music, just because it isn't gangsta rap. Seems to me that rap isn't rap unless it's gangsta. But there have been times where rap doesn't need to be gangsta. Take The Pharcyde's "Passin' Me By" for instance. Or how about "Back In The Days" by Ahmad? These songs are just examples of how rap can get away without being overrated. But there's a backlash to this. Beware, because Will Smith may look back at this and become haunted by it. Songs like this end up becoming one-hit wonders. Skee-Lo's "I Wish" comes to mind. On the chorus, he wishes that he were a baller and a little bit taller with a 6-4 Impala vehical. Very similar to "I Wish I Made That/Swagga."

UPDATE: I found some information on the single, courtesy of discogs.com. Here's the link: http://www.discogs.com/release/391747

> Wow, no1wammy, that must have taken you a long time to create those explanations. Well, with more than 1000 songs on my playlist, compiled of Rap, Rock, R&B, Pocos Pero Locos and J-Pop (That's why I wrote BoA up there); and having written a few rap verses myself... It's basically the feeling I have with music as of late. So many collabos. Some great, others need work, the rest we can do without. Hey, it's a living. And since Will Smith is one of my favorite rappers aside from Eminem, The Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac, 50 Cent, Outkast, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Lil' Rob, etc. Why not? > btw, I think Will could really collaborate with anyone that he chooses to, he's a very versatile lyricist Which makes you think: why don't other artist collaborate with him for a change? If I was a rapper, and made it big, aside from working with people like Koda Kumi, Hikaru Utada, Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park, Styles Of Beyond, Chingo Bling, Mr. Shadow, Alicia Keys, Mya, Chino XL, Ras Kass, Jay-Z, etc. (Damn, I have a long list), Will Smith would be one of my personal choices. > btw welcome to the board no1wammy Thanks. My only real reason was to uncover information on the Gettin' Jiggy Wit It remix. Believe it or not, it may have been publicly released after all. Now, if only I can find that website...

Man, that's a lot of suggestions here. Mind if I give you my two cents on all the rappers listed? NOTE: Before I begin, I like to take the opportunity to disclose a disclaimer. I am not an expert on collaborations, but I am able to interpret the vibe of what it'd be like if it were to happen. Please understand that these are my interpretations, and they can be reviewed in any way, but not to be taken seriously. I've dealt with such harsh criticism on the past with The Ultimate Rant on a forum I will leave anonymous (where are you, pmak!?) And I can deal with it again, if I have to. > Nas Nas already collaborated with Will on a few songs back in his Big Willie Style album, but only as a writer. He's credited on the insert as Nasir Jones, if you're curious. Good choice there. That could happen. > P. Diddy Actually, it would have been his first rap protege, The Notorious B.I.G., that could have knocked the track down. His crafty wordplay and lyricism would have done the collabo justice. Plus, it'd show love to Brooklyn and the rest of New York, proving that Will is able to collaborate with other artists. Whether he'd do it or not would be the defining moment of his career. > LL Cool J Smooth, sexy love track - or, possible co-star on a summer flick? You decide. I don't mind either. > Common That's a long shot. Especially with conscious rap. But believe it or not - I can see that happening. Kanye or No I.D. would have to handle the production and its direction of where the track would go, though. > Kanye West Will said he'd love to collaborate with Kanye cause of his honesty in his lyrics. I can see that happening in two forms: production-wise ance rap-wise. But there may be a curse word or two since Kanye does apply profanity in some of his tracks. Recall Jesus Walks. If it had been clean of profanity, it would have been classified a Christian rap track. Think about it. > Queen Latifah Stop right there. Will is able to work with any female artist from any genre. Period. If he did a Korean version of a certain single, for example, I would have picked BoA. I don't know who'd he picked. I'm just all anime, baby. > Heavy D I've not heard from him for a long time, so I can't give a good interpretation. Sorry. > Talib Kweli This one's a little tricky. If he had Mos Def and paired up as Black Star, there'd be a little bit of confusion. I don't know how to describe this collabo; I'll have to let a true expert figure that one out. > De La Soul Tough one. Daisy revolution on top of a Jazzy Jeff production would work. Otherwise, it's pretty iffy. > Nitty New artist. Can't help you on that. Sorry. > Nick Cannon Let's see: he remade Parent's Just Don't Understand with 3LW and Lil' Romeo (the song was clean), he worked with some of the top and raunchy artists in the game (think Ying Yang Twins), and he just released a single with E-40 and Bosko (She's All Mine). Contrary to my belief, this is gonna be an interesting pair. > Redman Too hardcore for his taste. Same if he were to pick Method Man, or even the two of them together. However, with the Big Pun/Cam'ron/R.O.C. remix now past the obsoleet label (because of this website and WinMX), this one can work. He's gonna have to get used to their profanity plays, however. For Method Man, look up The Notorious B.I.G.'s "The What." I don't have much expertize on Redman, though. > Daz Dillinger Production-wise: Yes. He needs another west coast comrade as of this point. I like the one he did with Snoop Dogg on Pump Ya Breaks. Rapping is gonna be a different story. They say his lyrics are easily matched to Master P. That was the last straw for me. You know what: it wouldn't hurt if he were to work with Kurupt or Roscoe. They're both Philly-natives who grew onto the Cali life style, and in my mind, I can see that happening. If I were to give advice to Kurupt, however, I'd be careful on how far you'd go into the pop genre. > Kel Spencer What happened to him? I need to here a bit more of him, cause when I first heard of Kel on Uuhhh, I felt a spark was about to ignite. > Ludacris Will and Ludacris? Another good choice. > Twista Yes and no. One has to do with his speedy flow, the other with the ability to blend. Personally, I've never even heard of a Will Smith song where his rhyming speed is as close to Busta Rhymes or any member of Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. > Q-Tip (A Tribe Called Quest) Old school. All the way. Bring Phife if you have to. > Chuck D (Public Enemy) Sorry. Too political for his taste. > 2Pac You know what? 2Pac needs Will Smith. It's his last album, and if he were alive, he would have done a movie with him. Maybe not Bad Boys (leave that to Martin Lawrence), but something where the genres aren't necessarily overlooked. Know what I mean? Please re-read the line: would have. > Pete Rock Didn't he produce a track with Will as the Fresh Prince back then? > KRS-ONE Another trip to the old school. > Aceyalone I don't know who he is, so I'll need to hear from him before I can make my final assumption. > I actually agree with Lerkot on this one, I don't particularly like it when Will does collaborations, apart from with Jeff of course. It's like I think nobody else is good enough to be on a track with Will It's not that. It's because people think of him as a squeaky-clean lyricist: he has the right words, but not the words that consider him a street thug. Because he's not a street thug. Nor a gangsta. Pimp: more of a flirt. Hustler: take MURS' advice on this one and not Cassidy, since he never dealed dope, I only assume. I've only heard of the remix with E-40, Chingo Bling and John Cena (look it up on Limewire), so this suggestion could backfire at me any moment now. Plus, the only profanities that he's ever used - uncensored - up til Lost and Found are the following: - damn (a lot) - hell (a lot) - ass (on I Wish I Made That/Swagga) - bitch (on You Saw My Blinker) When I hear something like this from anybody, I end up taking their word for it. But you know what? All this I said up there: Bull****. Will can work with anyone he chooses. Hell, I like to see him take a shot with Nate Dogg (Nate said it for him on an interview a few years back). It's all gonna depend on what the song's content and topic would be. If I were to have Will collaborate with a rapper, it should be his rival: Baby Bash. Both their styles are similar: Will and Baby Bash keep it clean. Lyrically. However, it's Bash's phrasing that tends to go beyond Will's nature. He doesn't use one-worded profanities like ****, for example, it's his wordplay that best describes his raunchy-sided format. Now, I am not putting him on the list just because I want to deminish Will or introduce a Latino rapper (mind you, Baby Bash represents and approves Pocos Pero Locos, a movement designed by KPWR 106 for Chicano and Latino rap music. He's also at the top of his game). I like Smith's choice of words: they're close to an intellectual aspect that's not far to Nas or 2Pac (or Eminem, for that matter), but what I fear is his inability to go the distance. I'm not saying to go the gangsta route or play the sell-out, I feel he just needs to improve on his stature a little bit. Keep the style and lyricism, but take it up a notch like Kanye or Common did. That would be my personal advice to Will. Now that I think about it: anybody had Jay-Z on their mind? (I'm gonna get kicked out for this)

Got that one two. Probably one of my FAVORITE remixes of all time from the Big Willie himself. Big Pun really did a good job on his verse as well. Now, if only they were to have an uncensored version... Confirmation check: since Jermaine Dupri was on the track, it was labelled a So So Def Remix, but I beg to differ. The beat used on the track doesn't sound like something he produced. If you look at some of his older productions like the ones he produced for Da Brat, or any of his comrades, you should be able to understand why. Which leads me to the idea that it could have been a Jay Scratch remix. Anybody heard of that version?