bigted Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 How the hell could Billboard forget to list JJFP one of the top artists of the last 25 years, the first hip-hop act to win a Grammy with over 30 million albums sold, that should be worthy of top 10 at minimum, but not putting them in the top 50 is uncalled for, Outkast has the highest selling hip hop album of all time and they ain't mentioned either, MC Hammer's "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" went past diamond status and he ain't mentioned, as much as I don't like Biggie he should be in the top 50 'cause a lot of people like him as well, DMX's 1st 5 albums went #1 and there's no mention, Boyz II Men should be ranked in the top 10 since they're the highest selling R&B group ever, Brian Mcknight deserves some mention too, I mean if you're gonna give credit to the highest selling artists you need to give credit where credit's due, Billboard sucks so what should we expect, but at least they give credit to R. Kelly at #1 'cause he owned R&B in the last 25 years: The Top 50 R&B / Hip-Hop Artists of the Past 25 Years Quote: 50. Tevin Campbell 49. En Vogue 48. Joe 47. Brandy 46. Kanye west 45. Chris Brown 44. Maxwell 43. Patti Labelle 42. Destiny's Child 41. Ne-Yo 40. Musiq Soulchild 39. Nelly 38. Eminem 37. Snoop Dogg 36. Bobby Brown 35. Tony Toni Tone 34. Sade 33. Babyface 32. Gerlad Levert 31. Levert 30. Jodeci 29. Keyshia Cole 28. 50 Cent 27. Aaliyah 26. Stevie Wonder 25. TLC 24. Monica 23. New Edition 22. Anita Baker 21. Lil' Wayne 20. T.I 19. 2Pac 18. Toni Braxton 17. Boyz II men 16. LL Cool J 15. Beyonce 14. Ludacris 13. Michael Jackson 12. Keith Sweat 11. Prince 10. Alicia Keys 9. Freddie Jackson 8. Jay-Z 7. Luther Vandross 6. Usher 5. Janet Jackson 4. Mariah carey 3. Whitney Houston 2. Mary J Blige 1. R. Kelly Source: Billboard.com - The Juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 It is weird that they skipped over JJ+FP and/or FP's solo stuff. MC Hammer really should be on their as well. A Tribe Called Quest is another. One thing is for sure tho.'...THIS IS A DARN GOOD LIST!!! I'd gladly listen to nearly every artist on their list. I'm glad they over looked a lot of today's artists that will be forgotten in 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Run-DMC, Public Enemy, Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, and Outkast are the five greatest groups in hip hop history but yet they ain't mentioned, and the order debatable but the more I think about it, it's a solid list 'cause it's about time artists like Keith Sweat, Aaliyah, and Joe get some mention, and I like that they listed LL Cool J above most rappers except for Jay-Z who has no business being in the top 10, there can't be a perfect list since the order's always debatable but the top CDs and tapes in my music collection come from 90% of these artists so all in all Billboard didn't do too bad, get rid of Lil' Wayne, 50, Kanye, and Nelly and insert JJFP, MC Hammer, Run-DMC, and Public Enemy and you got the ultimate list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIsqo Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 lol, they added Keysha Cole, T.I, AND NEYO and they forgot to mention other important people on the list. and how come MJ is not a top 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 50 cent? Jayz MJ? Why is Destiny's Child so low on that list? Best girl group after TLC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Will missing is weird, but a good list anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) As much as I love r&b, I think some of those singers should be left off the list with being replaced by the hip hop pioneers that I mentioned, replace TI with the real south king Scarface, and it's hard to believe that all those groups had more impact than Blackstreet and Guy who didn't make the list, the top 10 is too r&b driven, this is what the top 10 should look like in no particular order: R. Kelly LL Cool J Michael Jackson JJFP Boyz II Men Run-Dmc TLC Keith Sweat Public Enemy Janet Jackson(I originally put Destiny's Child in the top 10 but they didn't have a bigger impact than Janet did and Beyonce doesn't deserve to be mentioned seperately from them either, her first album was great but she fell off since then) After them would be Destiny's Child, 2Pac, Prince, Mariah Carey, and Outkast Edited November 19, 2010 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I agree with your top 10! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) R. Kelly, Mariah Carey, MJB, Prince, Tupac, LL Cool J, Janet Jackson, Public Enemy, Prince, Boyz II Men. Honorable mentions: Jay-Z, Biggie, Will Smith (I realy had to decide betweem him and LL), MJ (I still feel difficult counting him to the Hip Hop/R&B group), Nas, Rakim, Destinys Child, Snoop Dogg, Rakim, P. Diddy (not as musician, but as mogul), Usher, Joedic and spin-offs (lol), Luther, Eminem, 50 Cent and more... I realy think I could pull a list of 50 off :D Edited November 19, 2010 by Turntable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) Combining what both Will and Jeff has done would make the ranking higher, they're like the Jordan and Pippen of music, I could dig through my most played albums in my music collection and make a list of 50 hip-hop and r&b artists, mcs like Big Daddy Kane and Heavy D should be in the top 50 but they never had 50 Cent and Eminem type of popularity going for them which would hurt them from getting Billboard to recognise them, Beastie Boys do a lot of alternative stuff too so like Michael Jackson it's hard to put them in R&B/Hip-Hop category but that "License To Ill" album sales alone shows that they deserve to be there: 20 R&B Artists: R. Kelly Michael Jackson Boyz II Men TLC Keith Sweat Janet Jackson Destiny's Child Mariah Carey Prince Mary J. Blige Whitney Houston Joe Gerald Levert/Levert Aaliyah Toni Braxton Brian Mcknight Jodeci Alicia Keys Jill Scott Musiq Soulchild 20 Hip Hop Artists: LL Cool J JJFP Run-DMC Public Enemy 2Pac Outkast MC Hammer Biggie Queen Latifah Nas Tribe Called Quest DMX Snoop Dogg MC Lyte Salt-N-Pepa Ice Cube The Roots Beastie Boys Gangstarr Jay-Z(I'd never put him in my top 20 but for sales alone he belongs there) Top 10 Producers: Teddy Riley Dr. Dre Timbaland Pete Rock Marley Marl DJ Premiere Trackmasters Jermaine Dupri Puffy DJ Quik Honorable Mentions: Slick Rick, KRS, Heavy D, Big Daddy Kane, Eric B. and Rakim, Eminem, Babyface, Bobby Brown, Luther Vandross, Patti Labelle, Monica, Neptunes, and The Bomb Squad Edited November 19, 2010 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIsqo Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Good top 10 turntable. I think LL would be on top of Will Smith, but not on top of JJFP. Also Ludacris should not be a number 14 on that list, no matter how good he is and Chris Brown is not part of a top 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I think Will Smith, just like LL, could make this list when you include the works of JJFP. I would not put them in the list together, even tho I love Jazzy. I would put him in a producer list. List like this to me are more about the vocalists. Now when it came to LL vs. Will I looked at the impact realy and I just put LL above Fresh Prince, even tho it was close. I decided to put only one of them in the list because to me they are very simular, even tho LL has tocuhed a little more subject in his music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) LL Cool J is the closest artist in hip hop that's a mirror image of Will, LL's a lil' bit more versatile like you mentioned, they're both the 2 biggest household names that people who don't listen to much hip hop recognise, people of all ages know who they are, and like I mentioned if you combined with what Jeff did with Will that makes it an even tougher debate.... Edited November 19, 2010 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 The Beastie Boys, thanks for bringin them up Ted. Any list without them is no real list at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 The Beastie Boys are up for the Rock & Roll hall of fame, a lot of people like them who don't even listen to much hip hop but they're hip hop credible at the same time, it's just like LL and JJFP.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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