DevilsJim89 Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Because Eminem is just using controversial lyrics again to get attention... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I got respect for NWA, they have the right to have their own opinions, and just 'cause they diss JJFP doesn't mean that I have to hate them, I'm an LL Cool J fan but I don't hate Cannibus or Wyclef just 'cause they dissed him, that's stupid to do that! :nhawong: To say f*** them n****z is so damn foul in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Yeah, MC Hammer and NWA were cool. Eminem disses whoever. We know he dose it strictly 4 the attention. Besides, MC Hammer and Dr. Dre probably havn't talked in years. Wyclef and LL's beef never really existed. One of them did an interview in 2000ish where they said problems between them never really existed but that they did those trax anyway. It waz reported that LL waz actually somehow involved in Canibus' contract and waz making money off the few copies of his album that sold. I forget what the article said, it waz years ago. But it kinda sounded like LL and Wyclef were playing Canibus 2gether. I some of NWA's stuff...but i don't consider them as musically creative as Digital Underground, lyrically creative as Slick Rick, De La Soul, or as classic as JJ+FP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsJim89 Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 NWA laughing at "parents just dont understand"? well JJFP was laughing back when they won the Grammy for it and went on to sell like 10 million records. haha JJFP didnt want to talk about real life, they didnt want to preach to their fans how they should live life as young blacks. I think JJFP and other "soft" groups are better for urban kids then having them listen to NWA and NWA telling them to carry a pistol and make life seem like its harder then it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members krizia Posted October 31, 2004 Members Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 NWA laughing at "parents just dont understand"? well JJFP was laughing back when they won the Grammy for it and went on to sell like 10 million records. haha JJFP didnt want to talk about real life, they didnt want to preach to their fans how they should live life as young blacks. I think JJFP and other "soft" groups are better for urban kids then having them listen to NWA and NWA telling them to carry a pistol and make life seem like its harder then it really is. "make life seem harder than it really is"?? Where do u live the suburbs? Out here in Cali, there are more than enough ghettos, and NWA is one of the groups that depicted how life really is out there. Try going to Compton, Watts, rap records make it less disasterous than reality. U may not approve of gangsta rap, but alot of their voices need to be heard to. if u wonder why poor blacks say **** the police, it's because of the constant racial profiling. Sometimes u need to appreciate gangsta rap for what it is, It's a voice for the people who don't have one in society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCEM Posted October 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 yeah and the insert said that they're doing music for white kids... Dre is also doing music for a white kid? man i just don't understand Dre's problem? btw, jazzy jeff's beats are better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 NWA laughing at "parents just dont understand"? well JJFP was laughing back when they won the Grammy for it and went on to sell like 10 million records. haha JJFP didnt want to talk about real life, they didnt want to preach to their fans how they should live life as young blacks. I think JJFP and other "soft" groups are better for urban kids then having them listen to NWA and NWA telling them to carry a pistol and make life seem like its harder then it really is. "make life seem harder than it really is"?? Where do u live the suburbs? Out here in Cali, there are more than enough ghettos, and NWA is one of the groups that depicted how life really is out there. Try going to Compton, Watts, rap records make it less disasterous than reality. U may not approve of gangsta rap, but alot of their voices need to be heard to. if u wonder why poor blacks say **** the police, it's because of the constant racial profiling. Sometimes u need to appreciate gangsta rap for what it is, It's a voice for the people who don't have one in society. :werd: Hey now there ain't nothin' wrong with black kids listening to NWA, they rap reality in their rhymes like Public Enemy does, life is hard in the ghetto, you wouldn't know unless you live in the ghetto, people don't gangs for the hell of it, they go in it to find a way to survive when there ain't no job in their 'hood, people in the suburbs find it hard to believe that this stuff exists and they say "oh why does there have to be gangster rap? nobody lives like that!" :nhawong: since they're ignorant to life in the ghetto, that's why they were so shocked over 9*11, it was a horrible thing but there's tragedy in the 'hoods everyday. :ditto: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted November 1, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 nwa ice t ice cube..were all dope back then.. in fact there was so much diversity.. personaly i dont like gangsta rap..i didnt grow up in the hood so i cant relate..but there is something for everyone out there if you are into pop/rap gansta rap/concious rap/party rap/etc etc..all different styles..thats why they had tours with LL Cool J/whodini/epmd/public enemy/jazzy jeff & fresh prince..i dont see that today though..its all pretty much the same..and hardly any of it is creative and the whole thing about jazzy jeff and fresh prince growing up in "the suburbs" is rubbish..everyone should check out this article i compiled together http://www.jazzyjefffreshprince.com/jjfp-jjfprealdeal.htm Jeff: I think there's a big misconception with who Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince are. We faced just as much trauma and tragedy and ups and downs as any urban teen-ager. You see the shootings, the killings. You see the good with the bad. But we just don't choose to talk about it. I mean, we'll sit down and have a conversation that will be just like a Public Enemy record. But we don't choose to do that in our music. I believe that people want to be entertained. You don't go to a show to be preached to. Will: There are things that have happened in our lives that are no different than any other urban teen-ager. I mean, I've probably seen more people murdered than anybody in the city. Seriously? Will: I just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, all the time. Jeff: In the beginning of Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, it was always ''the suburban rap group." Then I'd come home from a tour, and I'd sit on the corner on top of the mailbox with all my friends. And they're pulling out beer and all the rest of this. And when you grow up like this, you don't push your friends aside, no matter what they do, 'cause this is all I knew growing up. Will: I made a decision not to sell drugs. Jeff: Exactly. Will: I made a decision not to carry a gun. I made a decision not to do drugs and not to fight, you know. It's not that I lived in such a great neighborhood and that stuff wasn't there. No. I'm a better person than those people. I have better parents, maybe, than those people have. It's not geographically where I was located. It's intellectually where I was someplace else. Jeff: There's nobody in this world that can't tell me that Will and I weren't hip-hop. I mean, from doing the housing projects, doing the shows, me being a well-known DJ in Philly. Will being someone who could free-style. Putting out "Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble" (1989 on Jive) and it blowing up at hip-hop clubs. People were loving it, going crazy. Girls and Parents Just Don't Understand" were just as popular as "Eric B For President" (Eric B and Rakim) in B-boy hip-hop circles then. In those simple old days we would be doing tours with Public Enemy, Kid 'N' Play, Heavy D and the Boyz and Run DMC it wasn't a big deal. They would come check us and vice versa and we would be digging each other. The funny thing was that the criticism didn't come from our peers, it was definitely a media vibe. You guys aren't hard enough; you guys are from the suburbs. It was like Damn. I grew up in 57th & Ratmer Street, West Philadelphia and I'm from the suburbs (sighs) and I'm looking around and thinking you don't know anything about me. Yet some folks figured that being liked by three million people meant it had to be suburban," rants Jeff in one breath. "It was true to the extent that white kids suddenly dug hip-hop. We created hip-hop crossover. I wanted everyone -- black and white -- to enjoy themselves. I didn't know whether to defend myself [from that suburban' label] or give in." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 :werd: JJFP ain't soft, they do songs about reality though, but they do it in a more comedic and fun way, and I respect them for that 'cause you can't be serious all the time. The one thing that makes hip-hop such great music is it's diversity like you said Tim, that's why the game's lacking right now 'cause it's too predictable like most other pop music is now, we need to go back to originality to make hip-hop the best form of music again! This reminds me of this song "Somebody" by KRS-ONE that I'm listening to right now where he mentions that we should have "diversity in the university": [KRS-One] Oh, do it now, oh, do it now Yeah, we celebrate diversity in the university Everybody can't be a queen, everybody can't be a ho and a bitch (Ha ha) Everybody can't b e a philosopher Some of y'all gotta load up the clip Word up, watch this It goes 1, 2, 3 we the best Knowledge Reigns Supreme, as you can see, or KRS You don't wanna test the team, why get a vest You don't wanna be cursed in a verse, by the blessed KRS with the sound for the eat and the west Follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no beast on a quest Somebody gotta be fresh Somebody gotta be wack Somebody gotta be the Mc Somebody gotta do the rap Somebody gotta be smart Somebody gotta do that Somebody gotta do art Somebody gotta be black Somebody gotta have heart Somebody gotta be white Somebody gotta do their part Somebody gotta be bright Somebody gotta be up somebody gotta be down Somebody gotta be the teacher Somebody gotta be the clown Somebody gotta be lost Somebody gotta be found Somebody gotta be in the economy making the money go round Somebody gotta be the president Somebody gotta get down Somebody gotta be hesitant Somebody gotta be relevant Somebody gotta be celibate Somebody gotta be having their sex in a lex for the hell of it Somebody gotta be intelligent Somebody gotta be illiterate Somebody gotta go all the way Somebody gotta go a little bit Somebody got to be an idiot Somebody gotta be belligerent Somebody gotta be hip hop Cause somebody else is living it Somebody gotta be spitting it Somebody gotta be ignorant Somebody gotta be holy But somebody gotta have sin in it Somebody gotta be losing it Somebody gotta be winning it Somebody gotta be flippin' the style I'm kicking just a little bit Somebody gotta be into it Somebody gotta be out of it Somebody gotta be up for it Somebody gotta be doubtin' it Somebody gotta be running it Somebody gotta be all that Somebody don't even known that Somebody gotta come right here Somebody else gotta go back Somebody gotta be scheming Somebody gotta be a witness Somebody gotta be seeing in the meaning is different Somebody else gotta be somebody, for some else to be somebody Somebody else to run into to wealth, to try to create one body One aim, one GOD, one destiny I'm not non-violent, you can back up off of me I sip my tea, and cock back three One for Tiny Tim, Mr.Walt, and Evil Dee I hope you all see, the need for unity I'll never stop speaking about Marcus Garvey Kwame Ture or Malcolm X all day Black leadership today is all play Y'all play, y'all immature black behavior IS worse than being a trader Do on to others, as you would have done do to your neighbor Big up to my philosophy majors Free Mumia Abu-Jamal from the cages We writes the pages and teach all ages Justice, tell me what we want now Justice, for Mumia Abu-Jamal Or justice for Amado Dialo Justice, there is no peace without (*Justice*) All dem mercy, now watch this I sing, 1,2,3 we the best Knowledge Reigns Supreme, as you can see, or KRS You don't wanna test the team, why get a vest You don't wanna be cursed in a verse, by the blessed KRS with the new sound for the eat and the west Follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no beast on a quest Follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no beast on a quest Follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no beast on a quest Follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no, follow no follow no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Julie Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 this is why jjfp can sell all around the world, bcoz not every1 can relate to what most rappers say. As a white english girl i dont see too many murders.....well i just hear about them, but most ppl that listen to rap have never even set foot in a hood. its no wonder so many ppl think they are gangsters these days, they listen to a couple of rap songs and think they have been thru it all. JJFP arnt doing music for white kids, they are doing music for all kids and the diversity of their fans is what makes them great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I agree. Music shouldn't be so heavily labeled. Music should be about life. Hip-Hop music is based on life coming from Hip-Hop culture and expressing yourself. Here's a wake up call 4 these fools who talk only about sex, drugs, and jewelry...u aren't making Hip-Hop music. If life dosen't get any deeper than that 4 them, i feel very sorry 4 them. JJ+FP is a philly based, straight up Hip-Hop group, but they've managed 2 take over the world. They can do trax that apply strictly 2 them and people who live similar lifestyles, but they can also appeal 2 people all over the world who live completely different lifestyles. I think that's amazing. Not just anybody can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCEM Posted November 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I agree. Music shouldn't be so heavily labeled. Music should be about life. Hip-Hop music is based on life coming from Hip-Hop culture and expressing yourself. Here's a wake up call 4 these fools who talk only about sex, drugs, and jewelry...u aren't making Hip-Hop music. If life dosen't get any deeper than that 4 them, i feel very sorry 4 them. JJ+FP is a philly based, straight up Hip-Hop group, but they've managed 2 take over the world. They can do trax that apply strictly 2 them and people who live similar lifestyles, but they can also appeal 2 people all over the world who live completely different lifestyles. I think that's amazing. Not just anybody can do that. :werd: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members krizia Posted November 3, 2004 Members Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I agree. Music shouldn't be so heavily labeled. Music should be about life. Hip-Hop music is based on life coming from Hip-Hop culture and expressing yourself. Here's a wake up call 4 these fools who talk only about sex, drugs, and jewelry...u aren't making Hip-Hop music. If life dosen't get any deeper than that 4 them, i feel very sorry 4 them. ^^^rappers like... Nick Cannon?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I agree. Music shouldn't be so heavily labeled. Music should be about life. Hip-Hop music is based on life coming from Hip-Hop culture and expressing yourself. Here's a wake up call 4 these fools who talk only about sex, drugs, and jewelry...u aren't making Hip-Hop music. If life dosen't get any deeper than that 4 them, i feel very sorry 4 them. ^^^rappers like... Nick Cannon?! Huh? :eek4: U think Nick Cannon's music is about sex, drugs, and jewerly!?! :nhawong: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members krizia Posted November 3, 2004 Members Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I agree. Music shouldn't be so heavily labeled. Music should be about life. Hip-Hop music is based on life coming from Hip-Hop culture and expressing yourself. Here's a wake up call 4 these fools who talk only about sex, drugs, and jewelry...u aren't making Hip-Hop music. If life dosen't get any deeper than that 4 them, i feel very sorry 4 them. ^^^rappers like... Nick Cannon?! Huh? :eek4: U think Nick Cannon's music is about sex, drugs, and jewerly!?! :nhawong: no, but it's generic, materialistic candy rap (if u call it rap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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