The "I Bet Lost and Found will Sell..."-Thread

[TopDawg14]

I think Lost & Found will do 1.3 million in the U.S. and a little over 4 million overseas.

I think that fans here in America are very fickled. An album like L&F should do 3-5 million in the U.S. but since everyone is so blinded by slick production and hype it'll be hard for people to recognize real hip-hop. That's why people like 50 Cent, G-Unit and others sell - people buy into hype and nonsense.

[cataboy3]

b2r went gold and it had NOOOOO promotion AT ALLL and no good singles

actually born to reign only sold 237, 000, willennium sold 2.1 million and big willie style sold 8 million in the US.. now after hearing pump ya brakes and party starter im a up my prediction to platinum!

i was going by the sales on this site

http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-s/willsmith_main.htm

by the bottom

it says that hes got gold for b2r

:thumb:

am i wrong?

[Hero1]

b2r went gold and it had NOOOOO promotion AT ALLL and no good singles

actually born to reign only sold 237, 000, willennium sold 2.1 million and big willie style sold 8 million in the US.. now after hearing pump ya brakes and party starter im a up my prediction to platinum!

i was going by the sales on this site

http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-s/willsmith_main.htm

by the bottom

it says that hes got gold for b2r

:thumb:

am i wrong?

that means he shipped gold as in the record stores bought 500, 000 records..but only 237, 000 people bought them..

[cataboy3]

tim, u r 2 good at knowing everything

props to tim for everything :rock:

[jj+fp2004]

i've got a qustion... how much did encore sell? does any1 have a site that shows sells?

[bigted]

Going gold in the US is considered a major accomplishment for an ol' school mc, only LL Cool J has done it lately, Public Enemy, KRS-ONE, De La Soul, MC Lyte, Run-Dmc, and other legends(I think even Afrika Bambaataa has a new album out right now) made albums over the last 5 years and couldn't even sell 100,000 in the US, maybe worldwide they might've, back in the day they used to go at least platinum here, the fans turned their backs on them! :sad6: It'd be nice if FP put a whole bunch of ol' school hip-hop artists on the album(kwame and Jazzy Jeff are the only ones on this album I think), but I think less people would buy, I think peeps over 40 stopped buying albums, they go to FP's movies but they forgot that he still rhymes too, it's important for him to take this time off of acting, cats like Snoop and Luda have younger audiences(although Snoop is about the same age as FP is) and could help the album sell more, there's buzz over them being on the album already with them being on it, these tracks are dope as hell, so it ain't no gimmick, I'm now predicated that the album's gonna sell 1.5 million in the US, 6 million worldwide, just from even more hype. Records sales ain't everything though as I said, but this could help ol' school mcs become accepted again, so I'm hoping this album sells a lot. Even though there ain't too many ol' school legends on the album, I think some of them should go on the world tour with JJFP 'cause ol' school hip-hop is appreciated more worldwide than it is here in the US.

[Lerkot]

Actually, lets bump this topic a little since its quite interesting now a half year later. Were we right? No. If they dont release the Party Starter vid soon, then 650k US will be the answer.

Hero1s first guess were pretty close to the truth tho.

Edited August 24, 2005 by Lerkot

[Hero1]

at the moment i'd put it between 700, 000 to 1 million.. It's all up to Party Starter really..

[3cookies]

I'm always going with 1 mil....

peace,

cookie

[bigted]

I was right on my 1st guess, I figured it'd go gold but on my second guess I figured it'd sell 1.5 million but I even said that was wisful thinking that the hype before the album would make it go gold in the first week like Game's album but that didn't happen, Will promoted this album like hell when it came out there's no excuse why it shouldn't be at least platinum already, everyone knew that the album's out so I blame the fans for not buying the album like they should be, shame on them, like I said before Will's movie fanbase is loyal but his music fanbase ain't. :thatspdiddybad:

[Hero1]

I was right on my 1st guess, I figured it'd go gold but on my second guess I figured it'd sell 1.5 million but I even said that was wisful thinking that the hype before the album would make it go gold in the first week like Game's album but that didn't happen, Will promoted this album like hell when it came out there's no excuse why it shouldn't be at least platinum already, everyone knew that the album's out so I blame the fans for not buying the album like they should be, shame on them, like I said before Will's movie fanbase is loyal but his music fanbase ain't.  :thatspdiddybad:

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the "big willie style" fanbase was very disposable.. teeny bopper girls young kids they aint gonna be loyal or stick around. I think the majority of people who bought.. well atleast enjoyed lost and found would be hip hop heads// so maybe that 500, 000 means a lot more going into his next album.. :word:

[bigted]

I was right on my 1st guess, I figured it'd go gold but on my second guess I figured it'd sell 1.5 million but I even said that was wisful thinking that the hype before the album would make it go gold in the first week like Game's album but that didn't happen, Will promoted this album like hell when it came out there's no excuse why it shouldn't be at least platinum already, everyone knew that the album's out so I blame the fans for not buying the album like they should be, shame on them, like I said before Will's movie fanbase is loyal but his music fanbase ain't.  :thatspdiddybad:

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the "big willie style" fanbase was very disposable.. teeny bopper girls young kids they aint gonna be loyal or stick around. I think the majority of people who bought.. well atleast enjoyed lost and found would be hip hop heads// so maybe that 500, 000 means a lot more going into his next album.. :word:

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Hopefully those teeny boppers into 50 Cent now will jump off the bandwagon soon! :ShockRifle: What ever happened to the "He's The DJ, I"m The Rapper" and "Homebase" fanbase though? They musta got sucked in by gangsta rap 'cause they abandoned JJFP on "Code Red", which is on the same level if not better than those albums, or at least better than "Homebase", lol, "He's The DJ..." is a debate, you can't say "Code Red" wasn't promoted 'cause it had 5 singles, people knew that the album was out, they just didn't buy it, I could see people not buying "And In This Corner..." 'cause it wasn't the classic JJFP material, the "Born To Reign" of JJFP albums but "Code Red" is like "Lost and Found", hmm I see a pattern, 2 high quality albums selling-1 quality album slept on-1 album that deserved to be slept on, the first album was slept on 'cause hip-hop wasn't popular in '87, I never heard it to judge if it's classic or not, "Girls..." and "The Magnificent Jazzy Jeff" is better than any song on "And In This Corner..." though. There seems to be the same 25-40 year olds watching his movies, so why can't the same 25-40 year olds buying his albums too? When I go to see "Pursuit Of Happiness", I'm gonna ask the people there if they bought "Lost and Found"! :daveuidiot:

Edited August 24, 2005 by bigted

[Hero1]

A lot of those he's the dj and homebase fans have since grown up and don't buy albums anymore.. you have to constantly find new fans everytime you come out..and Wills done a pretty good job at this...

[bigted]

Chuck D addressed this issue in his new terrordome where he says that 25-40 year olds allow their kids to buy this gangsta crap out now and are acting immature themselves, you can't only blame the kids for the way hip-hop is right now, the parents don't care about the crap their kids listen to and in fact they'll go to watch "8 Mile" themselves and bring their kids with them, I wouldn't be surprised if they let their kids watch pornos with them too since there's so many teen pregnancies. :damnlorettas: Peep some of what Chuck D said there, it's so true, I don't give a damn if I talk about him so much 'cause he's right on:

"Yes this sounds like the same old story from Chuck D but listen to this. The harping is not directed at the youth generation, but instead the absence of the 25-40 generation who fell into the cracks of post-crack. It’s one thing to idolize Biggie and Tupac for their rebelliousness and musicianship. But, when asked about the substance of this basis, the lack of answer triggers many of them back into a less responsible age recollection of college days, weed, and unaccountability. Cool to think that at 12-25, at that time I guess, amidst the haze when the confusion of those brothers murders took place, all of a sudden we heard the cold remarks of 'good kids' to the code of the streets and the adoption of ghettoism.

Now this ghettoism is a way of cultural connects to the rest of the earth. It’s as if volunteer slavery is in effect. The hanging pant, n-----r callin, fractured talking, dollar worshipping at all cost cat is looking more and more like the shuffling, ragged overalls, slow talking, massa abiding, negro archetype of the films from the 30’s and 40’s. Whitefolk behind closed doors are reclaiming or maintaining class status merely by staying in their homes and watching such towers of belief spew radiation over the past 5 years in BET form. Many caucasian acceptance to the nigger way of life as a cultural way of being, is in kind a spark leading to the superiority segregated way of the slaved beginning of this country. No different. The towers of beliefs influence has the word 'n-----r' and way of life a growing phenomenon in Africa as well as abroad

So when it comes down to our youth, our shortys as we say, who’s looking out? The question is where does their adult life start? We cannot blame them for anything. It takes a village to raise a child, but here with the controlled towers of belief it now takes that same village to kill a child. Who is looking out for the 25-40 year old peeps who bust their tails in organizations across the land to rebuild a scattered race of different thinking people who STILL are judged by the color of their skin? These people deserve props for fighting this enslaved existence, regardless of the lack of snooped American pimped acceptance, MTV, or Clear Channeled spins. These are the many who get my r-e-s-p-e-c-t."

Edited August 24, 2005 by bigted

[TopDawg14]

Chuck D. had a lot of good points in his piece. I'm 30 and I agree that a lot of heads who bumped JJFP during the "He's The DJ..." era jumped shipped when the style shifted to gangsta.

A lot of us grew up in a time where you had to only worry about you. I'm a part of Generation X and when we were kids the crack epidemic was dominating the U.S. A lot of us got caught up in it. Also the U.S. government(the Reagan Administration) was cutting or outright canning a lot of social programs that would have kept a lot of young kids out of trouble. These young kids grew up to be immature. Some of it was due to the system and some of it was due to the fact that parents weren't interacting with their kids because they had to fight and scrap to make ends meet.

This led to the rise in "gangsta" rap. It started as a startling look into ghetto life but it soon became a cash cow. Peep this verse from Jay-Z's 99 Problems:

"Rap critics say he's money, cash and hoes/

I'm from the hood stupid, what type of facts are those/

If you grew up with hoes and was having those/

you'd celebrate the minute you was having dough."

This pretty much summarizes the mindset of cats my age. Because we grew up in a "me-first" time, it became the mindset that we have passed to our kids. Morality and integrity be damned. This is why the 50 Cents of the world are in the mainstream. They grew up in this "me-first" mentality and that's what their music represents. Cats who grew up in the "me-first" era but stuck to their guns on integrity aren't getting the shine(i.e. FP, Common, Mos Def, etc.).

So Chuck D. is right in a sense. Yeah, there are a lot of young teeny boppers bumping 50 but there are just as many cats my age bumping him as well. For the mindset to change there has to be a change in the Generation X crowd to affect change in hip-hop. I'm not too sure that's going to happen though.