bigted Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 (edited) Um...1, Jay is never seen with a truck with rims in his video, Jay doesn't wear throwbacks, hasn't worn a Throwback since Blueprint, if you seen a Jay video, he barely has women in it, unless it caters to the song (Dirt Off My Shoulder, and Excuse Me Miss, etc.) Like I said, too many hate on Jay for no reason whatsoever, and as far as the classic comment? Wrong again, Jay has Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and Black Album, his albums (outside of The Dynasty) have all been above average. Like I said, the blatant hate for Jay, especially when, like I said before, especially when he's been true to himself as an emcee, and has not changed since the day his first album dropped (Except for his subject matter, but you cant speak on the same thing forever, you change, you grow up) Ya'll seriously need to stop being such hip hop purist, and like an artist for what they give you, ESPECIALLY if that artist is being himself and not just doing what sells. Edited May 1, 2005 by bigted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonasdk Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 It should be Rakim, he is mentioned in the track and to see Will and Rakim do that song together would be dope. :peace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bracesup Posted May 1, 2005 Members Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 None of the above four. All of them are utter losers. Lost and Found is excellent just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 We should redo the poll, it should be Nas, Dead Prez, Lauryn Hill, and Rakim 'cause they were the ones who were shouted out on the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 I don't think we should only go by who was shouted out in the song. There are many other people that Will could have mentioned. Common and others. I maintain that Mos Def and Rakim are the most qualified in that poll to bring even more credibility to this track. Those two are living what Will is talking about. If it was a song about flossing, then we could have Jay on it. If it was a song about a female, then LL would be the most qualified. But this is a song about the state of hip hop, individualism, and diversity, and Mos or Rakim most deserve the opportunity to spit some lyrics on the subject. This isn't to diss Jay or LL. They are qualified as well. I just thing that Mos and Rakim would deserve the opportunity more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soobzilla Posted May 2, 2005 Members Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 first of all, u all got some good points, but rakim, as good as he is, probably wouldn't work that well on a track with will, it wouldn't gel. LL should definately be on that remix, but none of that add a chorus crap, the song needs to be REMIXED. LL and Will could have some great energy like LL and P.diddy on After School. or Busta in Pass The Courvoisier Part 2. even eminem on the Encore track did brilliant the way it was a collabo with dre, they passed the mic round every few lines which is real old skool. jay z would most likely take too much attention away from will as an mc and will draw the wrong attention by media (saying will needs jigga for a hit!) Mos is definately cool, but in all honesty i would just prefer a veteran like LL more than him for this track especially!! i know there is a lot of possible controversy here but this is all just my opinion, not insulting anyone or any other rappers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 (edited) ...jay z would most likely take too much attention away from will as an mc and will draw the wrong attention by media (saying will needs jigga for a hit!) :werd: My thought exactly, if FP's going for a commercial hit then he'd call Jay-Z for the remix, he'd been perfect to collab on "Big Willie Style", but I think it's better to improve on hip-hop cred by having Rakim on the track, Jay-Z is a cameo whore, I'm sick of hearing him on every album, Rakim didn't do any collabos in the Eric B. and Rakim days, just like Will didn't do any collabos in the JJFP days, I think collabos are too much now, why can't we just leave it the way it is, is the song wack or something? If it ain't broke then why fix it? The only person to possibly remix it should be Jazzy Jeff, I wanna hear more JJFP and less of other hip-hop artists. This is the last of my 2 cents in this topic. :blabla: btw, welcome to the forum! Edited May 2, 2005 by bigted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg14 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I think all four of these would work in different ways. If you want straight lyricism, go with Rakim. If you want the longevity factor, go with LL. If you want it political, go with Mos Def. If you want it raw like "99 Problems", go with Jay-Z. I think there is a lot of hate for Jigga and I don't understand why either. Don't get me wrong, some of his songs are nonsense and just about attracting the masses but he has done songs that are deep too. Jay is a businessman and he understands the music industry and that it's about money. Jay made a lot of money on remedial songs(Big Pimpin, Just Want To Love You, etc.) but he also has made some classic joints(Hard Knock Life, 99 Problems, etc.). Will has done the same thing too. He's made songs for radio and the masses(Gettin' Jiggy Wit It, Miami, WWW, Freakin' It) but has also done classic joints(L&F, Tell Me Why, The Rain, Afro Angel, etc.). I think Will is focusing more on the serious this time around with Lost & Found. Having said all that, I think Jay deserves a little more credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Willie Style Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 I also wouldn't mind seeing a duet with LL like Busta & LL on "Starsky & Hutch." A remix with LL wouldn't be a bad idea at all, but maybe with a different song. I'd say "Party Starter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 None of the above four. All of them are utter losers. Right now, let me just say i'm seriously ?uestioning your Hip-Hop credibility. Scratch that, I AM ?uestioning your credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bracesup Posted May 2, 2005 Members Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 (edited) Right now, let me just say i'm seriously ?uestioning your Hip-Hop credibility. Scratch that, I AM ?uestioning your credibility? Oh boy, here we go again. You just cannot leave me and my opinions alone, can you? It's as if you are just trying to put me down in any topic on rap I post. You know what, you're right. I give up. I have no knowledge of hip-hop whatsoever. I consider Fred Durst, Vanilla Ice, Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid, Mike Shinoda, Shifty Shellshock and 50 Cent as great rap artists. So this itself should stop you from picking on my posts anymore. Happy? Edited May 2, 2005 by Bracesup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted May 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Man i didn't expected such a controversial discussion when i started this poll...everybody should calm down! This is just speculation here, probably Will do no remix for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Bracesup, now that i know u listen 2 a different music style, i know where u are coming from. That's your thing. But calling them LL, Rakim, and Mos Def "losers" isn't any different than my post expressing dislike for ICP. Don't make it look one-sided. Now that i know what kinda music u listen 2, that puts things in persepective. As long as u aren't like some people (person) here who follows a certain rap click and claims they are making the best music these days and also claim 2 come from a old skool Hip-Hop background...i'm cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bracesup Posted May 2, 2005 Members Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Yeah man. My taste in rap is quite different. So everything's cool. :peace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlakk05 Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 (edited) And I'm sorry to anyone that said Jay can't be compared to LL, LL had his time, that time has passed. LL's last two albums, are PRIME EXAMPLE of someone doing WHAT sells blatantly. The album before that, G.O.A.T also shows that LL is reaching hard as hell to prove that he still has his 'street cred', even though its hard to even take him serious with it. LL is at peace with himself now, he don't have to battle other rappers now if he don't want to, but if anyone comes after him, he could still end their careers. Did you actually listen to his last 2 albums? Even his worst albums "14 Shots To The Dome" and "10" are above average, he never came out with a garbage album. He still has a lot of skill left, "Feel The Beat" has more punchlines than Jay-Z' whole catalog in my opinion and how the hell could Jay-Z beat LL when he can't even beat Nas? : Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 1] When Def Jam signed me They hit the lottery It wasn't free but don't call it a robbery They underestimated me quite possibly It's like that when you a godfather B I'm the greatest of all time You heard that before But now when I say it It means so much more Cause It's so true No hype man, No crew No reason for ghost writers Every year I get tighter Mothers and daughters agree I'm on fire Check ya T-Mobile it's all over the wire Cross ya legs baby hide ya desire You think I'm hot You preaching to the choir Smiling and giggling Thirsting like Gilligan More flavor than cinnamon They rush with adrenaline I make 'em nervous I do it on purpose I come back hotter Every time I resurface Drop to ya knees baby Praise the king Now ask Russell Simmons Who built the west wing I ain't gotta be cocky I do the damn thing Paint ya girl with strawberry frosting Internationally known and respected You talk slick I'm too large to be affected You crank call my cells disconnected You keep slipping but my games perfected [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 2] I'm a star for real my aura is crazy Hollywood love me in the streets I'm gravy Born with a gift to inspire the hood You wanna out do me and I wish you would I'm the master separate from all these cats I'm laughin in '86 I balled like that Honey catching feeling from sittin in Maybachs Cause her project hall is smelling like Ajax That's understandable but everybody relax Hate when folk get money and don't know how to act I'm a multi millionaire homey that's a fact But it's not the ice that makes ya wife react Been had an entourage and platinum cards Been getting swedish massage in Boca Raton What you think all them years I ain't pop no Don Spend a night in Trump Towers with a blue eyed blonde I been did it all my Benzes was kitted When you talk like a baller you tickle me with it But yeah there's money out there come on lets get it But I'm a get it in such a way you never forget it Let's go twenty platinum albums in a row Sixty thousand fans a three hour show I could care less who drop and blow My name is LL baby that's beyond the flow [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 3] These rap cats get upset with me When security clear out the V.I.P If honey wanna lounge we gone see ID Ain't no negotiating you gone pay my fee I'm the boss I call the shots to keep it hot I don't have competition I'm bigger than the slot While you waste advances on grey market rocks I cop municipal bonds and Wal Mart stocks A family man but hard as a rock And I die for my kids so stay off my block They might be impressed with you but I'm not After all these years I still walk with a bop Still keep the ink hot Still scheme like a fox Still ready to battle You don't want your career stopped Industry shocked cause I mapped out a plot And ran around humble with my joint on cock [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop After hearing all the crap on the radio, how could honestly say LL's washed up? :hilarious: I wasn't gonna say anymore, but you gotta respect LL for what's he's done, it's not like Jay-Z' gonna still put out a great album 10 years from now, LL probably still will be putting out more great albums as long as he's still living, stop hating on the legends. I'm not gon discredit your opinion, but homie, if you seriously think that LL Cool J of all people can END ANYONE'S CAREER at this point in time, you are SADLY Mistaken, and blinded. Secondly, it's funny how cats continue to say that Nas beat Jay-Z, with his "Yo Mamma Joke" Ether, when Jay-Z spoke nothing on all three tracks he had directed to Nas, 'Takeover' and 'Blueprint 2' he talks about Nas trying to be commercial like him, he talks about Nas going from Black Girl Lost to Oochie Wally, he talks about using Nas's voice for a track and Nas not making a DIME off of it because of his jacked up publishing. Listen to the tracks, and you'll see there's nothing but truth, where as the best Nas could come up with is "I Rock hoes, ya'll rock fellas". Are you serious? And if you want to get into those type of disses, then go listen to "Super Ugly". You can try to discredit Jay all you want, talking about punchlines - Jay was never a punchline rapper, though he can spit them with the best of em, but its not his style. So LL having more punchlines is pretty much irrelevant at this point. All I'm sayin is, if you're going to attack Jay for doin rap to sell, then look at LL for the SAME exact reasons with the last 3 albums he put out, that featured 3/4s Timbaland production, 3/4s Neptune Production or even 3/4s Trackmaster production - all 3 with little to no substance like his previous work. Plus, as much as you may not want to believe it, evem with a hit single like "Head Sprung" off his recent album, or even 'Hush', LL's popularity is still not where he once was. Edited May 2, 2005 by KBlakk05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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