3cookies Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 It's true about the "drug free" period for him, because it was announced on the TOm Joyner Show this morning... Regardless, he shouldn't get away with hitting a woman... peace, cookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 There seems to be a little 50 defending going on. Yet, the fact remains... 50 stepped on 2 women and punched a 3rd... What would people say if Will lost it and did that sort of thing. allegedly trampling two women and punching a third ------------- remember the word allegedly-doesn't mean he did it. Jay-Z "allegedly" shoved a female. Pac "allegedly" raped a female. Biggie "allegedly" beat Lil' Kim... I could go on and on with all the alleged actions of rappers. I'm not defending whatever possible actions 50 did, I'm defending him for the fact that he's never done drugs, or doesn't drink alcohol much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Well all I gotta say is cats like LL, KRS-ONE, Chuck D, and Will Smith should get more respect for not "allegedy" getting accused of any domestic charges, they're the only ones keepin' it real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 (edited) Well all I gotta say is cats like LL, KRS-ONE, Chuck D, and Will Smith should get more respect for not "allegedy" getting accused of any domestic charges, they're the only ones keepin' it real! just b/c of alleged actions does not determine whether someone is "real" or not. So Martin Luther King Jr was an "alleged" adulterer-he's not "real"?? (not to compare him to any of these rappers of course) PPl get accused of stuff all the time. Who knows, any one you admire, could get accused by some woman, to have done harm to her someday. God fobid that happen to LL, Chuck D, or Will, of course, they're all smart enough to stay outta trouble, but ppl are unpredictable. Esp. the ones who are after money and fame. I as a girl can say, I've seen many golddiggers. They don't care whether it's the bad guy or the nice guy. They're out to get them. Edited May 16, 2005 by *mimi* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 (edited) Well all I was saying was those who set good example in society should get more credit for what they do, why can't we hear a KRS-ONE song on the radio instead of 50 Cent 'cause KRS' a man that stands by what he says on his songs, 50's a fake, even if he is a drug addict, he shouldn't brag about it so much, kids believe what they hear on the radio, he's not a good example for the youth, at least 2Pac released songs like "Keep Ya Head Up" and that situation was a gold-digger comin' after him but when that happened his sales soared, people should've listened to Pac when he was doing "Keep Ya Head Up", I'm a fan of Pac myself, I wasn't tryin' to diss him when I said that, I was just questioning why doesn't society focus on the good things that he did, they'd do nothin' but criticize him, then everyone got curious to buy his albums, he had a good heart and I didn't like how the media dogged him when some women do deserve to be called hoes by the way they act but some women deserve respect, some rappers don't respect women at all, but when LL and Will show love to women they get called soft, btw I read a lot of interviews from 50's and I never saw anything about him saying he's drug-free. Edited May 17, 2005 by bigted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Well all I was saying was those who set good example in society should get more credit for what they do, why can't we hear a KRS-ONE song on the radio instead of 50 Cent 'cause KRS' a man that stands by what he says on his songs, 50's a fake, even if he is a drug addict, he shouldn't brag about it so much, kids believe what they hear on the radio, he's not a good example for the youth, at least 2Pac released songs like "Keep Ya Head Up" and that situation was a gold-digger comin' after him but when that happened his sales soared, people should've listened to Pac when he was doing "Keep Ya Head Up", I'm a fan of Pac myself, I wasn't tryin' to diss him when I said that, I was just questioning why doesn't society focus on the good things that he did, they'd do nothin' but criticize him, then everyone got curious to buy his albums, he had a good heart and I didn't like how the media dogged him when some women do deserve to be called hoes by the way they act but some women deserve respect, some rappers don't respect women at all, but when LL and Will show love to women they get called soft, btw I read a lot of interviews from 50's and I never saw anything about him saying he's drug-free. ^^^u make some good points I agree with, but I can't see why u just don't take the fact 50 does not do drugs or drink. Get over it. He's not the monster of drug addicts that YOU want him to be. Read the TIME magazine interview if u can find it. He says clearly he doesn't do drugs. The intervieer asked him that cuz he didn't notice any alcoholic drinks around 50. He had water and vitamin water. 50 said he doesn't do drugs on the "keep it real" part on the interview he had on Big Boy's neighborhood. Maybe U have not read any interviews where he says it, but then again, since many people assume he does drugs, they don't ask him that question. When it is brought up though, he says he doesn't do it. So take that as it is for god's sake! I'll try and post the Big Boy interview for you. Even if I do u won't believe me though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Well all I was saying was those who set good example in society should get more credit for what they do, why can't we hear a KRS-ONE song on the radio instead of 50 Cent 'cause KRS' a man that stands by what he says on his songs, 50's a fake, even if he is a drug addict, he shouldn't brag about it so much, kids believe what they hear on the radio, he's not a good example for the youth, at least 2Pac released songs like "Keep Ya Head Up" and that situation was a gold-digger comin' after him but when that happened his sales soared, people should've listened to Pac when he was doing "Keep Ya Head Up", I'm a fan of Pac myself, I wasn't tryin' to diss him when I said that, I was just questioning why doesn't society focus on the good things that he did, they'd do nothin' but criticize him, then everyone got curious to buy his albums, he had a good heart and I didn't like how the media dogged him when some women do deserve to be called hoes by the way they act but some women deserve respect, some rappers don't respect women at all, but when LL and Will show love to women they get called soft, btw I read a lot of interviews from 50's and I never saw anything about him saying he's drug-free. ^^^u make some good points I agree with, but I can't see why u just don't take the fact 50 does not do drugs or drink. Get over it. He's not the monster of drug addicts that YOU want him to be. Read the TIME magazine interview if u can find it. He says clearly he doesn't do drugs. The intervieer asked him that cuz he didn't notice any alcoholic drinks around 50. He had water and vitamin water. 50 said he doesn't do drugs on the "keep it real" part on the interview he had on Big Boy's neighborhood. Maybe U have not read any interviews where he says it, but then again, since many people assume he does drugs, they don't ask him that question. When it is brought up though, he says he doesn't do it. So take that as it is for god's sake! I'll try and post the Big Boy interview for you. Even if I do u won't believe me though... I'm not claiming that 50 is a drug user or drinks a lot... but the question remains... why does he talk about it so much in his music? The only conclusion that can be reached is that he isn't keeping it real in his music. Wouldn't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 (edited) ^^^sure... i agree, but remember all rappers nowadays have an image to disply. "gangsta" rap is not gangsta rap anymore once u get out of the hood and make loads of money. That wouldn't be keepin it real either. But also remeber, that rappers don't always speak in their point of view. They also talk about what they see around them and other people's experiences. A lot of rappers and musicians talk about experiences they've seen happen or what they've been told happened. Edited May 17, 2005 by *mimi* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 ^^^sure... i agree, but remember all rappers nowadays have an image to disply. "gangsta" rap is not gangsta rap anymore once u get out of the hood and make loads of money. That wouldn't be keepin it real either. But also remeber, that rappers don't always speak in their point of view. They also talk about what they see around them and other people's experiences. A lot of rappers and musicians talk about experiences they've seen happen or what they've been told happened. So when 50 mentions that he does or has done something in his music... he's really talking about what he's heard someone else is doing or did, or what he saw someone else do. So he has to give the impression that he's doing these things to maintain that positive glowing image that he projects. Mimi... honestly, you're digging a deeper hole for him. Why not just concede that he isn't being real in his music... that he's projecting something that he isn't... because that's basically the truth isn't it, regardless of how we twist it and try to explain it away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 ^^^sure... i agree, but remember all rappers nowadays have an image to disply. "gangsta" rap is not gangsta rap anymore once u get out of the hood and make loads of money. That wouldn't be keepin it real either. But also remeber, that rappers don't always speak in their point of view. They also talk about what they see around them and other people's experiences. A lot of rappers and musicians talk about experiences they've seen happen or what they've been told happened. So when 50 mentions that he does or has done something in his music... he's really talking about what he's heard someone else is doing or did, or what he saw someone else do. So he has to give the impression that he's doing these things to maintain that positive glowing image that he projects. Mimi... honestly, you're digging a deeper hole for him. Why not just concede that he isn't being real in his music... that he's projecting something that he isn't... because that's basically the truth isn't it, regardless of how we twist it and try to explain it away? well, everyone hear twists stories and quotes to their liking. BIG DEAL. I'm stating what I heard, and oif u don't like it, u could keep ignoring it. But if u keep ignoring it, U too are twisting the story to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 (edited) I'm really not trying to twist anything. If he doesn't smoke and he doesn't drink, yet lets on as if he does in the music... what is that? Nothing has to be twisted... this isn't some minor discrepancy. Now is it a good thing that he doesn't live that way? Yes. But why isn't he man enough to stand and say, yea... I don't live that way. Why let people think that he does? I mean, has street cred become more important than people's sense of integrity? Hip hop used to be an art where people expressed themselves... their thoughts... their feelings... things that they were dealing with... but if people are saying and doing things just to fit into a certain culture... is it really still hip hop... I don't think so. It's really just lyrics and a beat... no soul. Edited May 17, 2005 by MaxFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hey like I said before I could honestly care less if 50 Cent was doing drugs or not, that's his buisiness, but why does he have to talk about it so much in his music? Chuck D said in his last terrordome that he felt it's disturbing for parents to buy their kids a 50 Cent CD 'cause of the subject matter he talks on there. Adults are mature enough to not try to immitate they see or hear but children are not and the majority of the peeps that listen to 50 Cent are underage, is this the message that we want our kids to hear? This is just as disturbing as Eminem making a song about killing his wife, it's only entertainment but some kids don't think so, so if kids end up going down the wrong path 'cause of that I don't consider that keepin' it real. You're saying that he's keepin' it real 'cause he talks about it in his music, so those that don't talk about it in their music are fake? If somebody was dissin' LL sayin' he's soft, you'd say that he's wack too, I don't get why would you then turn around to defend 50 Cent this much? Hip-hop is becoming like any other pop music now, if you don't follow a certain format, that ain't keepin' it real, it used to be real to be yourself, that's why 50 Cent is a pop rapper and not a true mc 'cause he doesn't speak reality in his music, but LL is 'cause he puts his life in his music and should get more respect for doing that, just 'cause your CD doesn't have a PA sticker shouldn't make you soft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bracesup Posted May 17, 2005 Members Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Mimi, c'mon, stop defending 50 Cent so much. I am a huge fan of 50 but how could you compare someone like Will Smith to a guy who is a drug-dealer, thug, gangsta, pornographic movie maker, etc.? That's just rubbish. He is a criminal and could eventually be, in more ways than other, a murderer. His entire persona comprises of negative character. I appreciate his music and I consider him as my favourite rapper of the new wave, but even I won't deny that the guy is a low-life. If he says he doesn't do drugs and doesn't drink, he is just lying to everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I get what u guys are saying, i'm not defending 50's actions like ya'll are misinterpreting. My main point was that he does not do drugs or drink in real life. Just accept it, and leave it at that. Now most rappers (about 97%) put up a facade to keep whatever image they have. So 50 has a thug/gangsta image, but u all know damn well that he's super wealthy. Once u make all of that money, you aren't a thug. Thugs are the ones robbin, hustlin out in the streets. 50 doesn't need to do any of that. So calling him a "studio gangster" might be more appropriate. Now, LL cool J has an image of being a ladies man. We all know he's married with kids. Yet, in his songs, se woos women and girls as if he was a single man. Do u think he's doin all that in real life? No. But he, like 50 has an image they need to keep to maintain their audince. This is not a comparison between a possible criminal and a good guy. But for u guys to not get why 50's gotta talk about drugs (which doesn't necessarily make up all his songs like u imply) and then to accept LL's image as a womanzier (when he probably isn't pickin up girls in real life) doesn't add up. This isn't thugs vs. guys who never get in trouble. Basically, 50 and LL are doin the same thing by keepin their image to cater to their fans. 50's formula works, why not roll with it? So he talks about drugs? He grew up in a world of drugs. Drug dealers, his parents, friends, etc. If he grew up in a drug related world, can he not talk about it? Is he not allowed to rap about what he saw growing up? Why does HE have to do drugs for him to rap about it? He's said before the drug dealin business and how it relates to murder and shady business turned him off of drugs. Seeing how those guys messed their lives up dealin and doin the drugs kept him drug free. Ya'll are forgettin that rappers do indeed include other people's experiences in their songs. a lot of rappers admit to it, but of course, they get a pass. But when it comes to 50, he gets berated. *I'm not a staunch 50cent fan either, so don't think I'm stickin up for my "favorite" rapper or anything. 50's far from my favorite. I don't even own his CD's, but I've heard enough of his music to judge that he does not always include drugs or alcohol in his songs. Even if u only listened to his singles from the Massacre, how many of his songs are about drugs or alcohol? "Disco Inferno"-not about drugs, "Candy Shop"-not about drugs, "Just a Lil Bit"-not about drugs. If u want to make your case that "In Da Club" has a reference to dugs with Bacardi, what clubs don't serve alcohol? Most club goers drink alcohol, and I think it's legitimate to say "drink Bacardi" for a club song (unless of course, your club experiences are goin to "Disney mania clubs" or "senior citizens only clubs" or somethin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*mimi* Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 (edited) Mimi, c'mon, stop defending 50 Cent so much. I am a huge fan of 50 but how could you compare someone like Will Smith to a guy who is a drug-dealer, thug, gangsta, pornographic movie maker, etc.? That's just rubbish. He is a criminal and could eventually be, in more ways than other, a murderer. His entire persona comprises of negative character. I appreciate his music and I consider him as my favourite rapper of the new wave, but even I won't deny that the guy is a low-life. If he says he doesn't do drugs and doesn't drink, he is just lying to everybody. the reason why I bring Will up in this is because a lot of people here give special exceptions to Will. In no way am I comparing 50 or Will's lifestyles or morals. It wouldn't work. However, in a lot of "rumors" or any stories realting to 50, none of you accept any of the possible good sides to him. Since he comes across as an arrogant, misguided, selfish guy, anything that's "bad" about him is taken as the truth. Yet anything that's not the way u want him to be, it's taken as false information or lies. Give me a break. Anything good with Will MUST be true. Any flaws or mistakes of his MUST be lies. Anything good with 50 MUSt be lies. Anything bad with 50 MUST be the truth. That's how ya'll are closing yourself in with your blind opinons. Now this has nothing to do with who's the realer rapper. It's just the fact is 50 has said he doesn't drink or smoke, and he came across as genuine when he said it in the interviews I've read with him mentioning it. Even me, a person who doesn't like 50 much can accpet it. But u guys just hate him soooooo much, that you're ignorant to anything that seems "moral" about the guy. Edited May 17, 2005 by *mimi* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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