Kanye West causes controversy on NBC

[MaxFly]

kanye was right, in that this isnt being handled well..however, you cant blame the prez for everything, a lot of people do jump on that bandwagon- "oh bush sucks, its all his fault"  most of these people have no clue what they are talking about, theyre just sheep..if you think bush wants people to die in New Orleans, youre a fool..i cant imagine what i would do if i was him, how do you go about rebuilding a whole city? god bless him

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I fully agree with everything in that statement.

As I have said, this thing initially wasn't handled well. I don't believe that it was and I have never stated that it was. But I think that to immediately blame the slow reaction by the govenment on racism and discrimination is ignorant. Wait until all the information is in.

[MaxFly]

Edit: POsted it same time maxfly posted his. Will post a new reply

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Lol, at least we're not talking about 50 or how good Will looks...

[bigted]

Well just 'cause I'm black doesn't mean I'm stupid now, they killed Martin Luther King and threw him in a jail for a peaceful protest and he was an extremely educated black man who won the Nobel Peace Prize who'd preach blacks to turn the other cheek from Ghandi's philosophy and use nonviolence, so of course they don't give a damn about Kanye or any of the rappers in hip-hop since they're only entertainers but we inforce the dream that Martin left for us through our songs but we're trying to be a lil' more agressive like Malcolm X because turning the other cheek don't work, the media wants to ignore hip-hop and twist our words to make it sound like we don't care, they said that KRS was laughing at what happened in 9*11 when, he really said that he found it ironic that the government was running to help immediately where 90% of the people in that building were white and I agree with that, if 9*11 happened in a ghetto area and not Times Square they'd took less action than they did and this is the reason why they're taking so long, but if you can't see that my friend you are ignorant, as intelligent as you sound you are sadly mistaken if you say that race doesn't play a part of this and he's right it doesn't matter who we vote for whether we have Bush, Reagan, or Clinton in office the government's still f****d up, so you know what's the point of Kanye saying anything since nobody cares, what's the point for us blacks to vote for a government that don't care whether they're democrat or republican? I guess your right, us black people should just lie down and die?!:

"KRS-ONE’S RESPONSE TO THE DAILY NEWS

October 15, 2004

"Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. When I read my words taken out of context I was shocked and disappointed that the Daily News would go this far to assassinate my character and distort my views. Such statements with no follow up explanation or interview from KRS-ONE as to what he may have meant or even a complete quote of my point is simply irresponsible journalism on the Daily News’ part. I would never just say something as crazy as “we cheered when 911 happened!” I was making an objective point about how many Hiphoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day. I am a philosopher and a critical thinker, I speak truth and I urge people to think critically about themselves and their environment. Yes, my words are strong. Yes, my views are controversial. But to call me a terrorist is simply wrong!

A young lady asked about what we can do beyond voting to change the political state of things in our country? I responded not by irresponsibly stating that “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place” and that’s all. I am a poet and I speak poetically. My full statement was “America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place. If you want to go beyond voting American interests must put a gun to its head and commit suicide because as long as we are only interested in American interests we go out and invade the rest of the world. The real question is are you a citizen of the United States or are you a citizen of the world? And so for me, I would say voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption.”

I was asked by the New Yorker magazine to discuss “different and personal beliefs musicians hold and the contribution artists like myself can make to the nation’s political dialog”. My views were indeed different and most were personal. However, when I was asked about why Hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 911) my responds was “because it does not affect us, or at least we don’t perceive that it effects us, 911 happened to them”. I went on to say that “I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion”. I continued to say; “911 effected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors those are the people that we’re trying to overcome in Hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 911 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can’t come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like; mmmm justice.” And just as I began to say “now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well” but I was interrupted.

My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. However, for many of us that were racially profiled and harassed by the World’s Trade Center’s security and the police patrolling that area as well as the thousands of American protesters that spoke out against the World Trade Organization months before in Seattle, Washington there was a sense of justice, a sense of change, a wake up call watching the twin towers fall. These are not my views only; these views represent a popular truth that few people are really ready to hear. No one wished death on anyone or just sat and “cheered when 911 happened”. But some of us can see through the bulls---! America must change its approach to the world and its citizens. This, I believe is what all Americans should be thinking about. How do we make our country better?

For years my career has been one of promoting peace, love, unity and having fun; such has always been Hiphop’s cultural principles. So how all of a sudden now can I be aligned with Al Qaeda? What happened to honest debate and freedom of speech! I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP! And let me be clear here; most of the Hiphop community is against the war in Iraq! But to align me with Al Qaeda is clearly an attempt by the Daily News to interrupt the street voice of our Hiphop community, KRS-ONE’s leadership and the increased momentum of our Hiphop political movement. I don’t think Al Qaeda needs my solidarity nor did I ever offer it, so what’s the point. For a major news organization to now align KRS-ONE with Al Qaeda shows the unwarranted contempt that such an organization has for me. Such is grounds for a law suit!

Finally, no one should ever believe anything that the one-sided Daily News has to say about the same Hiphop community that it (the Daily News) has tried so desperately to undermine for years. The only thing the Daily News seems to be interested in is scandal and controversy and for years I have challenged the Daily News on its depictions of Rap artists and Hiphop as a whole. I know they don’t like me. However, I don’t give a ---- either! They never cover our efforts toward peace and all the charitable work we do within the Hiphop community. They never air our grievances or how we feel about the state of the world, nor have they ever aired our views on America’s invasion of Iraq simply because they just don’t want to hear them. The Hiphop community forces America to look at itself; and no one likes to take b.l.a.m.e. for their own for immaturity Because Looking At Me ain’t Easy!

For the record, I am an American philosopher. I speak and seek truth. If the slander that the Daily News has printed regarding my political views has disrespectfully offended anyone in any way I truly apologize. Again, it was never my or Hiphop’s intent to disregard, disrespect or demean the tragedy of September 11th 2001 and those that died that day. However, we do have a voice and a point of view and if you are not prepared to hear what Hiphop has to say about its view of world events then don’t ask!"

I remember watching an interview on BET a couple of years ago and I saw James Brown on TV saying that America is not that much different than it was 40 years ago when we were fighting civil rights, he should know since he's in his 70's and was there, we wouldn't know this since we're all between 15-40 at the most here, I take James Brown's opinion over anyone's here anyday. If we were really free in America when they wrote the constitution 230 years ago they would've let blacks have freedom of speech and they wouldn't lynch us like slaves for so long and make us waiting 200 years to vote, and even though we vote we're still in jail, selling crack, must of us don't want to but we gotta survive, I mean if my family was starving and kicked out on the street I'd naturally wanna do something about it and not lie down and die especially if nobody helps me and if they arrest me I'll tell them that hey if you gave me a place to stay but fortunally I lived in the surburbs and went to a nice school and became an educated 20-year old black man that graduated with honors and is going to college right now thanks to my family luckily being able to live in the subrurbs and not in the ghetto where I'd had to deal with bad schools, bad housing, but I still have struggles to deal with like everybody else of my race, you're not speaking to a basshead who dropped out of school, you're speaking to an and I know what I'm talking about! btw, I'm gonna buy all of Jay-Z' albums too now that I heard he gave $1 million which happened before Bush went down to help, Jigga might not be my favorite but at least he remembers the black community and I stand up and applaud that, Roc-a-fella baby, Sean Carter for president, lol!

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[WesSyde]

:lolsign: can i say that i seriously have to laugh at some of these posts? some of you people's views and information (or lack thereof) just make me laugh! this thread sure is a lot funnier since i'm out of it now, and i'm glad i'm on this side looking in at some of the stuff being said

[Frenetic]

Maxfly

Interesting that you don't respond to my info about Bush cutting out on funds helping hurricnae disasters aftermath. ALOT.

IT IS Bush's responsibility, it's his country, he could've ordered a better evacuation. He didn't have the money to it. The worlds only super-power didn't have the money to evacuate it's own people.

The US won't be united wether kanye said that or not, cause people ARE unhappy with the racial difference in the US. Kanye spole on that matter cause he knew it wouldn't matter. A false outwards show of amerca being united it worse than someone taking a stance and putting it out in the air.

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Think about this Frenetic:

What your source doesn't tell you is that while Bush did indeed cut funds for hurricane disaster aftermath for specically such a disaster, the same money that was lost there was made up when the department of homeland security was created, the same organization that is over FEMA and would be directly involved in relief efforts after a hurricane. In essence, hurricane relief funds were consolidated and not entirely cut. The problem however is that there is more bureacracy. Bush was too shortsighted to see this. If your souce is too be completely truthful, they would have added that important piece if information.

The US had and has enough money for relief... Your is a flat out false statement Frenetic. Completely wrong and baseless and I expect to to retract that statement as soon as possible.

FEMA and the department of homeland security as a whole are very well funded. The department of homeland security especially with the recent threat of terrorist attacks. The problem is that because of all the bureacracy and truthfully, the lack of insight, they acted slowly initially. But they are extremely well funded.

He could have ordered a better evacuation? That's a false statement too. In the case of a natural disaster, the mayor of a city and the govenor of a state order evacuations. That power is alloted to the states by mandate of the 10th Ammendment of the Constitution. Infact, the govenor refused to federalize the evacuation and rescue process when the president asked her to because she didn't want to give up power. You have to get the full story.

About unity. Creating more controversy when we should be attempting to create unity is never a good thing, regardless of the conditions. Further igniting emotions at a time when emotions are already high is never a good thing. Calling out the president at the wrong time and place, especially when you're not fully informed is never a good thing.

Now that I've addressed your concerns, I am still waiting on you to address why people shot at Navy Core of Engineer workers who are were attemting to get to one of the levees to repair it.

I also expect you to retract that false statement about the lack of funds for relief efforts.

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Can you find a link to the budget of 2005? I WILL PROVE YOU that the money for catastroph handleling has decreased in a period of 3 years. Cause he needed money for the war.

George said the days after the NO floods that he did not need the help of other countrys. Why?

Hasn't the budget been extremely focused on the war and not on society necessary thing? If u say no u need to get of Bush's dick and admitt your a republican.

Hasn't the president the highest power in deciding evacuation If not i will take back that statement and put the responsibilty on the mayor and governor.

He isn't wrongfully informed: THE ONLY direct thing he said agaisnst bush was that he doesn't care about black people. That he probably bases on that this country is his country, he probably ment the goverment and authoritys, that includes your lovers bush and the governer and mayor.

Tha snwer to the looters you will find in the other thread.

Again:

Why was Bush at a party the day after Katrina?

Why hasn't Bush taken the warnings about hurricanes more seriuous? Why hasn't he signed the Kyoto-contract?

[bigted]

There's rumored that 10,000 people died already!!! :damnyou:

DAVID J. PHILLIP/AP Photo

Mayor: Katrina Death Toll May Hit 10,000

By DOUG SIMPSON

Associated Press Writer

METAIRIE, La. - One week after Hurricane Katrina devastated the region, miles-long lines of vehicles crawled into Jefferson Parish on Monday as residents were allowed to return to salvage what was left of their homes. New Orleans' mayor warned that 10,000 people may have died.

President Bush began his second trip to the region since the storm hit, landing in Baton Rouge late in the morning to start another inspection tour and consultations with federal and local officials.

Traffic began moving into the parish west of New Orleans at about 6 a.m. A curfew was set for 6 p.m., and residents were told they could stay until Wednesday.

Among those returning was Diane Dempsey, a 59-year-old retired Army lieutenant colonel who stopped at the water's edge less than a mile from the house where she grew up and where her aunt lives.

"I'm going to pay someone to get me back there, anything I have to do," she said, sobbing while standing amid boats beached on Veterans Highway. "A lot of these people built these houses anticipating some flood water but nobody imagined this."

Most of the single-story bungalow homes in her neighborhood had water nearly to the rooflines. Homes in the most exclusive neighborhood of the parish, Old Metaire, had little structural damage but some of the worst flooding. Along rows of palatial, six-bedroom homes, a few windows were broken and the live oaks survived but the water rippled up to front-door knobs.

The suburban parish, which has 460,000 residents, has been closed since a mandatory evacuation just before Katrina hit. Wide portions of Metairie and Kenner suffered heavy flooding, and authorities said thousands of homes were damaged.

A week after the storm, a definitive death toll remained elusive. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned on NBC's "Today" that "it wouldn't be unreasonable to have 10,000" dead.

Despite the grim estimate, he was more upbeat than in previous days, when he railed against the federal government and broke down sobbing during a radio interview.

"We're making great progress now, the momentum has picked up. I'm starting to see some critical tasks being completed," he told NBC.

"The 17th Street canal is about or was about 84 percent closed in yesterday afternoon. We have more troops arriving, so we're starting to make the kind of progress that I kind of expected earlier."

Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told ABC's "Good Morning America" that fewer than 10,000 people remained in the city, based on aerial reconnaissance.

"This is not a city under siege," he added on NBC. "This city needs help from the big people in America and its technology to get back on its feet. We are focused on the future. We have to finish the search-and-rescue and provide food and water from an area from Mobile (Ala.) to the east side of New Orleans, up to I-20 in Mississippi. This is a pig-big piece of terrain. There are people there that need help. We will do the best we can to get it to them."

On Sunday, as authorities struggled to keep order across New Orleans, gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors on a bridge, rescues of stranded residents continued and the flood waters began to recede, leaving the grisly task of collecting bodies.

The Times-Picayune, Louisiana's largest newspaper, published an open letter to Bush, called for the firing of every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

"Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially," the letter said. "No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced."

Violence boiled in New Orleans over when 14 contractors on their way to help plug the breach in the 17th Street Canal came under fire as they traveled across a bridge under police escort, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. Police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said. None of the contractors was injured, authorities said.

Besides the lawlessness, civilian deaths and uncertainty about their families, New Orleans' police have had to deal with suicides in their ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

A steady stream of reinforcements for police poured down the interstates toward New Orleans late Sunday and early Monday - long convoys of police cars, blue lights flashing, emblazoned with emblems from scattered police, sheriff, and other jurisdictions, in and out of state.

Nagin said Monday he was arranging to rotate out beleaguered emergency workers, who have been working virtually around the clock since before the storm hit.

He said police officers, firefighters and their families would get five or more days in cities with large numbers of hotel rooms - Atlanta and Las Vegas in particular. In addition to rest and relaxation, he said, they will have time to assess their personal situation since many lost homes and relatives. Counselors will be available, he said.

At two of the city's damaged levees, engineers continued making repairs that would allow pumps to begin draining the floodwaters. "The water is receding now. We just have a long ways to go," Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday.

Hundreds of thousands of people already have been evacuated, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and other states. With more than 230,000 already in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry ordered emergency officials to begin preparations to airlift some of them to other states that have offered help.

What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known.

In Jefferson Parish, residents were allowed back as long as they showed a valid ID proving residency, had food, had a full tank of gas and didn't drink the water.

Parish President Aaron Broussard warned residents that they would find all traffic signals destroyed, no open stores and a dusk-to-dawn curfew. He recommended that women not come alone.

Among those returning was Jack Rabito, 61, a restaurant-bar owner, who bought his home in 1965, and like Dempsey didn't have flood insurance. "I won't be getting inside today unless I get some scuba gear," he said, waiting with Dempsey for a ride in a boat to get to his home.

In Old Metairie, residents were angry that the levees were not designed to withstand a hurricane stronger than Category 3. Katrina was a Category 4 hurricane when it made landfall.

"My home didn't lose a shingle, but it's got six feet of water in it," said Bobby Patrick, a resident who returned from Houston.

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Associated Press Writers Robert Tanner, Jim Litke, Dan Sewell and Mary Foster contributed to this report.

[bigted]

Let me ask you this question, did this many people die when it hit suburban Florida last year? I don't honestly remember the situation being that f****d up 'cause there was help already, maybe it's 'cause there was 90% white people there, hmm..? Well in that case I don't have to worry if a hurricane ever hits my area, lol, but I think it's f****d up how you run to save a lot of people and you let a lot of black people die, tell me why? Will's idol is Malcolm X remember too so he ain't no Uncle Tom, he always stands up for the black community so many times, I hope he decides to release "Tell Me Why" video faster, it'd only be appropriate for this situation, btw right now I turned on BET to see if they're talkin' about hurricane Katrina and I see they're showin' a 50 Cent marathon?!!! :shake: hmmm, I hope 50 gives something since he's making so much money f****n' sell-out, BET should be having continued coverage of this tragedy since it's 90% of the people dying are black I mean what the hell is wrong with them? I guess the government controls that channel too! :word:

[MaxFly]

Can you find a link to the budget of 2005? I WILL PROVE YOU that the money for catastroph handleling has decreased in a period of 3 years. Cause he needed money for the war.

Did you read what I wrote? Let me explain it again, slowly. Even more, if you don't believe me, you can look it up on the internet or you can go to your local library and find the information yourself. This is public knowledge and can easily be found.

Disaster relief funds were indeed cut as you have said. However, in the creation of the department of homeland security and FEMA, any loss in the funding of the disaster relief funds of the US government were more than made up for. The government consolidated 22 agencies in the federal government so that they could work more closely and in sync with one another to address catastrophe's on US soil. The department of homeland security, through use of money allocated for emergency response, is more than capable of bearing the cost of aid to the southern region. They are well funded because they have geared of as the result of the threat of terrorist attacks. FEMA, functioning under this department is more than capable of bearinging the fanancial burden. The US navy, army, airforce, and national guard are more than capable of bearing the financial burden as well as providing the man power.

You have absolutely no argument when it comes to this. The statement you made about the US not having enough money to handle the tragedy is completely false and needs to be corrected. Again, FEMA is well funded and has the funds needed to provide relief to the South. Their problem is that they are too slow. Too much bureaucracy, not enough organization.

George said the days after the NO floods that he did not need the help of other countrys. Why?

Hasn't the budget been extremely focused on the war and not on society necessary thing? If u say no u need to get of Bush's dick and admitt your a republican.

Yes, Bush has been focused on the war in Iraq cause he needs to clean up his mess. He got us into that waste of time and resources, he needs to get us out. I would be concerned if he wasn't focused on it. We shouldn't be there in the first place, but since we are, his job now is to make sure we leave as quickly as possible while leaving a reasonable amount of stability in the region.

If your beef was with the lack of direction on social security or other social programs, you would have a point. However, the one US homeland concern that Bush has focused on is homeland security, and as I said above, disaster relief is a big part of homeland security. As a result, disaster relief is well funded, not underfunded. The reason we don't need help from other countries is that we have the funds and the manpower to do the job. They were just slow in being deployed. Partly Bush's fault, mostly FEMA's fault. It's likely that Bush will fire Mike Brown when all is said and done... Someone will be fired...

Incidently, I'm not a republican. Far from it. But I do my homework. I don't make up my mind on issues based on personal bias or because Jesse Jackson or Kanye West said something, or because Pat Robertson or George Bush said something. If a republican says something, I do my homework. If a democrat says something, I do my homework. If an independent says something, I do my homework. I look at the facts and come to a conclusion. I don't try to come to a conclusion, and then try to make the facts fit my predetermined conclusion.

Hasn't the president the highest power in deciding evacuation If not i will take back that statement and put the responsibilty on the mayor and governor.

No, the President does not have the highest power. Per mandate of the 10th Amendment of the Constitution, the right and powers that are not delegated to the US government by the Constitution are reserved for the states. The ability to call for mandatory evacuations are reserved powers for the govenor and mayor of a state or city. The president has the power to call a mandatory evacuation when, and only when the federal government has taken control. The governor and mayor would need to cede power to the federal government in such a case. The govenor of Louisiana refused to do that.

He isn't wrongfully informed: THE ONLY direct thing he said agaisnst bush was that he doesn't care about black people. That he probably bases on that this country is his country, he probably ment the goverment and authoritys, that includes your lovers bush and the governer and mayor.

I don't love Bush. I actually think that he has done an awful job as president in the last 4 and a half years. That being said, I don't buy into the propaganda. I'd rather hear the truth than hear what I'd like to hear. I try not to let my personal biases goven my judgement.

Tha snwer to the looters you will find in the other thread.

Again:

Why was Bush at a party the day after Katrina?

Why hasn't Bush taken the warnings about hurricanes more seriuous? Why hasn't he signed the Kyoto-contract?

I have no idea what he was thinking. That was obviously bad judgement, but it doesn't strike me that he did it out of racism or because of discrimination as some of you and Kanye have intimated. He as admitted that the government has acted too slowly and has seemed to do the best he can since. If you would put aside your bias for one second, you would see that. He deserves criticism for his slow response, but he deserves neither all nor most of the blame in this.

Edited September 5, 2005 by MaxFly

[Frenetic]

I'll read and reply tomorrow as i gotta go to sleep.

[bigted]

I understand where you're coming from Max it ain't all Bushs fault, he's just a small part of a corrupted government system, it ain't his fault, if Clinton or Kerry was president it'd be the same s***, it's always been like this, there will never be full unity in this country or the world or a black president unless a miracle that'd be like if I married a white woman and have kids they wouldn't be made fun of when they get older 'cause they're mixed that'll be the day that that happens, some racist people in my area call me a n*****r too so I have to deal with that, one girl I really liked in high school was white and her parents would act like I was a thug but I was just tryin' to be friendly so I could go out with her, you can't blame Kanye either for standing up for what he believes in and especially since most blacks feel the same way since we're the underdog and the smallest voice in society we don't like Bush or this government that ignores us, the black mentality is "Me Against The World", it's just what we have to deal with everyday, since this was mostly blacks in this area we're once again the victims, it wasn't their fault, they didn't have the type of money or transportation, they're barely living in houses you gotta sympathise what they're going through they're making minimum wage at Walmart with 4 kids, I could afford that type of job now since I'm living with my parents at 20 years but if I was 35 with 5 kids right now I'd be homeless or have to live on Welfare and move from the suburbs to the projects, that's a nightmare that I hope I never get to I know I gotta get a career going 'cause my parents won't live forever to take care of me, I cry myself to sleep sometimes thinking about it sometimes and pray that my parents hold on while I'm still trying to make it 'cause anything could happen in life, I wish I could do more for them 'cause they work so hard for me all these years, this is something I usually don't share online but I had to get my feelings out. I have nothin' against white people either, a lot of my friends are white/puerto rican/asian/black, I get along with everybody as long as they're cool with me, btw I just threw on Kanye's "Family Buisiness" when I was just thinkin' about my family, that's just as powerful as JJFP's "Ain't No Place Like Home", hip-hop is powerful, the soundtrack of my life!

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[MaxFly]

I'll read and reply tomorrow as i gotta go to sleep.

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I'm still waiting for your response on Georges Bush senior putting crack in the streets in 1984 when he wasn't president until 1989. Crack hit the streets in 1984... That would mean that Ronald Regean along with Bush sr. were involved in putting crack on the streets...

Still waiting for that response...

Note to everyone on the forum:

I will call you out and put you on blast when you post foolishness of inaccurate information. Do your research before you post if you want to remain credible, cause I have no problem correcting you if you are wrong...

Thanks.

[bigted]

Well MaxFly if you don't believe that Reagan and Bush helped bring crack on the streets then you must think all rappers are liars then, even Will would tell you that if you talked to him 'cause he stands behind what Public Enemy and KRS-ONE in their songs, it ain't fiction, the black people didn't make them, they get smuggled here, damn I thought you go to Harvard?! Get your facts straight homie, the media are liars, you can't believe everything they say on the news, "Don't Believe The Hype"! btw, I talked about this a couple months ago, BET bans certain rappers from getting airplay, most of them are conscious rappers so I guess they don't want our message on the air, hmm...? I'd be shocked if "Tell Me Why" gets more airplay than "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" got but truthfully it deserves to be Will's biggest hit ever. obviously there's some Uncle Toms working there, Rob Johnson could kiss my ass, here's the list:

"The following artists are banned from airplay(meaning all their NEW videos):

Kool G. Rap

Craig G

MC Lyte

Buckshot

Kool Keith

A Tribe Called Quest

A+

Jeru

The Liks

The Artifacts

AZ

Bad Seed

Bahamadia

Da Brat

Goodie Mob

Bone Thugs N Harmony

Black Moon

Methodman

E-40

Canibus

Afu Ra

Cappadonna

Channel Live

Cocoa Brovaz

Freddie Foxxx

GZA

El-P

D.O.C.

Diamond D

dead prez

De La Soul

MF Doom

Camp Lo

Geto Boys

Brand Nubian

Boot Camp Clik

KRS One

Black Sheep

Raekwon

4th Avenue Jones

Heather B

Jayo Felony

Killah Priest

Lil Cease

McGruff

Mic Geronimo

Monie Love

Mos Def

Ice Cube

Hieroglyphics

Inspectah Deck

Jean Grae

Nate Dogg

O.C.

Onyx "

[mfuqua23]

If that banning is serious. That's is utterly and completely ridiculous of such a cultural involvement like BET. I'd really like a source to that one. And if that were true, why is Nate Dogg appearing in a video. Or is it because he's a feature with Mack 10?

And guys, when you blame Bush, your actually blaming the Bush Adminstration. Of course, not everything rests on Bush's shoulders. You vote for either Bush or Kerry or whoever but behind them is a whole regime of people alike.

[MaxFly]

Let me ask you this question, did this many people die when it hit suburban Florida last year?  I don't honestly remember the situation being that f****d up 'cause there was help already, maybe it's 'cause there was 90% white people there, hmm..? Well in that case I don't have to worry if a hurricane ever hits my area, lol, but I think it's f****d up how you run to save a lot of people and you let a lot of black people die, tell me why?  Will's idol is Malcolm X remember too so he ain't no Uncle Tom, he always stands up for the black community so many times, I hope he decides to release "Tell Me Why" video faster, it'd only be appropriate for this situation, btw right now I turned on BET to see if they're talkin' about hurricane Katrina and I see they're showin' a 50 Cent marathon?!!!  :shake:  hmmm, I hope 50 gives something since he's making so much money f****n' sell-out, BET should be having continued coverage of this tragedy since it's 90% of the people dying are black I mean what the hell is wrong with them? I guess the government controls that channel too!  :word:

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Florida wasn't flooded Ted. Florida, even with it's 4 hurricanes wasn't nearly as big a disaster as NO is this time. Also, the vast majority of people evacuated areas in the paths of the hurricanes. There weren't nearly as many people left behind in Florida as there are in NO now to provide rescure effots to. The disaster NO has seen is quite literally the biggest natural disaster the US has ever seen, many times more disasterous than Florida.

The government was slow to respond... but to immediately say that it is because of racism... how ignorant can we be...

Edited September 6, 2005 by MaxFly

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It's not ignorant to say it, we've been slaves for over 200 years, it took us that long to vote and even when we vote we still're stuck in the 'hood getting arrested, even James Brown said on BET on a special before the BET Awards the week earlier in June '03 that America still needs to deal with racism after all these years and he was there during the Civil Rights era with MLK and Malcolm X so I'm taking his opinion over yours since he's in 70's and you're in your 20's right...? exactly! btw fuq here's my source for the BET banning:

http://www.africanhiphop.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=27977&