Kanye West causes controversy on NBC

[J-o-e]

Why the hell are they shooting them for. If Bush doesn't want them stealing to survive. Then GET THEM OUT OF THERE, I dont see what is so hard about that. and about this White/Black crap. It doesnt matter what colour you are. White black asian etc. We are all as one. We are all humans and we shouldn't be treated different. Kanye had a right to say what he said. And your arguing about at the right time?, That doesn't matter does it. It's been said. Nothing we can do about it. Unless all of us march right into the oval office. It's bull**** we can't. I know i can't. There not going to listen to us. So i just don't understand how arguing is going on in our own commuinty.

Discuss things with diginity and not screaming down eachothers throats. Because whatever you say or do. Nothing can change this situation.

Nothing.

[bigted]

Hey I got that message on myspace too, I was just contemplating whether or not it was him writing it or just a fan??

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It could be just another stupid chainletter, you don't know what to believe on the internet, unless Kanye posts something at his official site like Jazzy Jeff or Chuck D do or if it's a legit news site but if this is what he said it's actually better than what he said there on TV. All these celebrities need to put their money where their mouth is and make a difference to help these people out, they could do more than we could and have more power than we do, we need unity, this could show a different side of celebrities if they all get together to help out even the gangsta rappers we might not like, it can't only be Will Smith, Russell Simmons, and Chuck D all the time, the whole hip-hop community has to get together, Kanye West is the future of hip-hop, hate it or not. There needs to be more emphasis on the positive things entertainers do not just the negative things, I didn't like they spent all that time talking about Ron Artest's immaturity of wanting to leave the Pacers to make his stupid rap album and spent the year talkin' 'bout what he did in that brawl and they spend one day talkin' about Shaq donating money to pay for George Mikan's funeral and how Dikembe Mutombo donates half his salary to build to build a hospital in Africa, there are a lot of celebrities doing good things but they only focus on the negativity 'cause it sells, they only mention Shaq when they talk about his beef with Kobe but he's a generous guy though and doesn't deserve all that negativity around him, whatever happened to that "Good News" magazine Will was talking about starting? It'd be a nice alternative to the trash they put in The Source and Vibe that don't reflect the mentality of the positive rappers that try to make a difference when they only make articles about beefs and who's bitch did you sleep with now?

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[Frenetic]

Maxfly:

Did Malcom X, Ghandi, MLK, Guevara or Jesse Jackson take discussions with tact and grace? Man shut up with that republican bull ****, YOU KNOW that in order for something to change there needs to be controversy, like rodney king. YOU KNOW for discussions to start there needs to be a controversy. Would Kanye get so much airtime if he had said that in a normal tv-show? NO cause he wouldn't get the same attention. There needs to be attention brought to the fact that poor people (in the U.S the poor people's majority of race is blacks) are not valued as high as a grocery store or a familiy living in the suburbs!

Did Malcom X chill down with his accusations and speaches just to be kind to the goverment? NO man, NO.

I HOLD GEORGE W BUSH responcsoble for cutting funds helping cities protecting against storms and hurricanes JUST, JUST so he can go into a meaningless war. The same way he did NOT, DID NOT investigate in his dads friends after 9/11 just cause they own 6% of amercan economics! FACTS FOR YOU!

George Bush IS raised in a racist enviroment, again; Bush may not be a racist, but he does discriminate and not THINK of the black people. That's ignorant and true. I still agree with kanye cause when things like this happens your angry, you say it in more raw ways. And it has started a nice discussion about the race-discrimination.

The Crack thing aint something conspirtorical, it's facts, US goverment had the black panthers going wild, Harlem and bronx weren't ghettos, it was more like a community with minorites gathering havign a good time, Then CRACK CAME, from nowhere, black panthers disappeered, this is just as proven as the fact that Jimmy Carter sparked the revolution in Iran and that Reagan & Bush sr & Bush jr are supporting military goverments in south america, giving the al-qaeeda weapons AND giving Saddam biological weapons and anthrax, thigns used later against the kurds that now are in court with Saddam for that holding him responsible for killin 5000 kurds and almost 100 000 iranians.

Reagan and Bush fed them, they contucted their business.

DevilJim

PEOPLE CAN'T JUST LEAVE LIKE THAT, Busses were full with white people, the busses were full and there weren't anymore! They can't just pick up and WALK OUT OF TOWN with children and no money, where should they go HUH?

It's not, NOT, NOT so easy as u think it is. BUT, a thing that could be easy would be support and more busses and better evacuation of ALL people, but there wasn't any, cause there weren't any money cause Bush has ****ed up badly.

Maxfly:

THe sitation is MUCH bigger than the looting, MUCH, it's not just ordinary people looting and 90% of the looting is about getting food from grcoery stores and so on. Much of the raping and so on has been conducted in the superdome and in gang areas by gangs which never are good.

LOOTING?

[bigted]

Maxfly:

Did Malcom X, Ghandi, MLK, Guevara or Jesse Jackson take discussions with tact and grace? Man shut up with that republican bull ****, YOU KNOW that in order for something to change there needs to be controversy, like rodney king. YOU KNOW for discussions to start there needs to be a controversy. Would Kanye get so much airtime if he had said that in a normal tv-show? NO cause he wouldn't get the same attention. There needs to be attention brought to the fact that poor people (in the U.S the poor people's majority of race is blacks) are not valued as high as a grocery store or a familiy living in the suburbs!

Did Malcom X chill down with his accusations and speaches just to be kind to the goverment? NO man, NO.

I HOLD GEORGE W BUSH responcsoble for cutting funds helping cities protecting against storms and hurricanes JUST, JUST so he can go into a meaningless war. The same way he did NOT, DID NOT investigate in his dads friends after 9/11 just cause they own 6% of amercan economics! FACTS FOR YOU!

George Bush IS raised in a racist enviroment, again; Bush may not be a racist, but he does discriminate and not THINK of the black people. That's ignorant and true. I still agree with kanye cause when things like this happens your angry, you say it in more raw ways. And it has started a nice discussion about the race-discrimination.

The Crack thing aint something conspirtorical, it's facts, US goverment had the black panthers going wild, Harlem and bronx weren't ghettos, it was more like a community with minorites gathering havign a good time, Then CRACK CAME, from nowhere, black panthers disappeered, this is just as proven as the fact that Jimmy Carter sparked the revolution in Iran and that Reagan & Bush sr & Bush jr are supporting military goverments in south america, giving the al-qaeeda weapons AND giving Saddam biological weapons and anthrax, thigns used later against the kurds that now are in court with Saddam for that holding him responsible for killin 5000 kurds and almost 100 000 iranians.

Reagan and Bush fed them, they contucted their business.

DevilJim

PEOPLE CAN'T JUST LEAVE LIKE THAT, Busses were full with white people, the busses were full and there weren't anymore! They can't just pick up and WALK OUT OF TOWN with children and no money, where should they go HUH?

It's not, NOT, NOT so easy as u think it is. BUT, a thing that could be easy would be support and more busses and better evacuation of ALL people, but there wasn't any, cause there weren't any money cause Bush has ****ed up badly.

Maxfly:

THe sitation is MUCH bigger than the looting, MUCH, it's not just ordinary people looting and 90% of the looting is about getting food from grcoery stores and so on. Much of the raping and so on has been conducted in the superdome and in gang areas by gangs which never are good.

LOOTING?

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:word: Such knowledge there, it's not as easy as some of you think it is just to leave, put yourself in their shoes, wouldn't you be upset if you were there for 4 days with no food or water? In fact there still people at this very minute that still need help. Most of them are just going into grocery stores so they could get something to eat, I'd do the same thing, so shoot me too right? The media wants to make the situation so they could have another exuse not to help them, I bet if this happened in the suburbs of California, they'd run faster to help them, let's face it there's prejudice still, that's why the blacks are angry, we're not gonna lie down and let them abuse us, we turned the other cheek for 200 years and where has it gotten us? I mean if you be peaceful and nobody helps you or sympathises for you it's only natural to try to take action to say or do something about it, not just lie down and die! It pisses me off how they potray the black people here, they shine the light on the negative things we do but the positive things we do get ignored, Will Smith is one of the few black people that do have recognition for being positive but if he does one thing wrong the public will turn their backs on him and that's what wrong with society.

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[bigted]

Here's more details, the press is starting to criticise Bush too if you read the article, Kanye West ain't the only one sayin' somethin', you can't tell people to lie down and stay calm when nobody does anything, don't front you'd be angry too if you were there with no food, shelter, or water for 4 days and it'll be a riot if everybody doesn't get rescued soon! :sick: :

Rick Bowmer/AP Photo

Police Try to Keep Order in New Orleans

By ROBERT TANNER

AP National Writer

NEW ORLEANS - As authorities struggled to keep order across this ruined city, the continuing strain from Hurricane Katrina erupted when gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors and the state's largest newspaper lashed out at the federal government's response.

Despite the tensions, rescues of stranded residents continued Sunday as Coast Guard helicopters picked up refugees and the flood waters began to recede, leaving the grisly task of collecting bodies.

Federal officials urged those still left in New Orleans to leave for their own safety. Large-scale evacuations were completed at the Superdome and Convention Center.

The death toll across the Gulf Coast was not known. But bodies were everywhere: floating in canals, slumped in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways and medians and hidden in attics.

"I think it's evident it's in the thousands," Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said Sunday on CNN, echoing predictions by city and state officials last week.

The Times-Picayune, in an open letter to President Bush, called for the firing of every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, saying they failed to rescue thousands of citizens stranded by Katrina.

"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

"Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially," the letter said. "No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced."

One bright spot to the crisis was to the west, where neighboring Jefferson Parish was to allow residents back in Monday - as long as they show a valid ID proving residency, bring food, have a full tank of gas and don't drink the water.

Parish President Aaron Broussard warned the 460,000 residents that they would find all traffic signals destroyed, no open stores and a dusk-to-dawn curfew. He recommended that women not come alone.

Violence boiled over when 14 contractors on their way to help plug the breech in the 17th Street Canal came under fire as they traveled across a bridge under police escort, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. Police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said. None of the contractors was injured, authorities said.

Besides the lawlessness, civilian deaths and uncertainty about their families, New Orleans' police have had to deal with suicides in their ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

"I've got some firefighters and police officers that have been pretty much traumatized," Mayor Ray Nagin said. "And we've already had a couple of suicides, so I am cycling them out as we speak. ... They need physical and psychological evaluations."

At two of the city's damaged levees, engineers continued making repairs that would allow pumps to begin draining the floodwaters. "The water is receding now. We just have a long ways to go," Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday.

Hundreds of thousands of people already have been evacuated, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and other states. With more than 230,000 already in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry ordered emergency officials to begin preparations to airlift some of them to other states that have offered help.

What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known.

Amid the tragedy, about two dozen people gathered in the French Quarter for the Decadence Parade, an annual Labor Day gay celebration. Matt Menold, 23, a street musician wearing a sombrero and a guitar slung over his back, said: "It's New Orleans, man. We're going to celebrate."

In New Orleans' Garden District, a woman's body lay at the corner of Jackson Avenue and Magazine Street - a business area with antique shops on the edge of blighted housing. The body had been there since at least Wednesday. As days passed, people covered the corpse with blankets or plastic.

By Sunday, a short wall of bricks had been built around the body, holding down a plastic tarpaulin. On it, someone had spray-painted a cross and the words, "Here lies Vera. God help us."

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Associated Press Writers Jim Litke, Dan Sewell and Mary Foster contributed to this report

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[MaxFly]

Why the hell are they shooting them for. If Bush doesn't want them stealing to survive. Then GET THEM OUT OF THERE, I dont see what is so hard about that. and about this White/Black crap. It doesnt matter what colour you are. White black asian etc. We are all as one. We are all humans and we shouldn't be treated different. Kanye had a right to say what he said. And your arguing about at the right time?, That doesn't matter does it. It's been said. Nothing we can do about it. Unless all of us march right into the oval office. It's bull**** we can't. I know i can't. There not going to listen to us. So i just don't understand how arguing is going on in our own commuinty.

Discuss things with diginity and not screaming down eachothers throats. Because whatever you say or do. Nothing can change this situation.

Nothing.

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It matters when and where Kanye said what he said because he was asked and agreed do what the benefit concert organizers asked him to do... and he didn't... Instead he spoke on his political beliefs and likely turned many people off and caused a lot of outrage at a time and place where he was supposed to be garnering support, funds, and in general, unity. A great number of people have called NBC to protest what Kanye said, accusing him of politicizing a situation in which people were dying. Regardless of whether you agree with what he said or not, his statements did cause controversy at a time when controversy is the last thing that is needed, and even if it wasn't his intention, he politicized a tragedy. Instead of focusing on how the black community abroad, he, and other wealthy musicians and actors could help in the relief efforts, instead of focusing on how all americans could help his people, he chose to devote a large chunk of the time he had to criticize the President and the government, and even worse, at a time that he wasn't fully knowledgeable of the situation. If Kanye had a full understanding of the neglect, he would have first criticized FEMA and the Louisiana governor. Unfortunately, he just became another rapper spitting "knowledge" on an issue he didn't "know" enough about. Where's Barak Obama when you need him.

[bigted]

Why the hell are they shooting them for. If Bush doesn't want them stealing to survive. Then GET THEM OUT OF THERE, I dont see what is so hard about that. and about this White/Black crap. It doesnt matter what colour you are. White black asian etc. We are all as one. We are all humans and we shouldn't be treated different. Kanye had a right to say what he said. And your arguing about at the right time?, That doesn't matter does it. It's been said. Nothing we can do about it. Unless all of us march right into the oval office. It's bull**** we can't. I know i can't. There not going to listen to us. So i just don't understand how arguing is going on in our own commuinty.

Discuss things with diginity and not screaming down eachothers throats. Because whatever you say or do. Nothing can change this situation.

Nothing.

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It matters when and where Kanye said what he said because he was asked and agreed do what the benefit concert organizers asked him to do... and he didn't... Instead he spoke on his political beliefs and likely turned many people off and caused a lot of outrage at a time and place where he was supposed to be garnering support, funds, and in general, unity. A great number of people have called NBC to protest what Kanye said, accusing him of politicizing a situation in which people were dying. Regardless of whether you agree with what he said or not, his statements did cause controversy at a time when controversy is the last thing that is needed, and even if it wasn't his intention, he politicized a tragedy. Instead of focusing on how the black community abroad, he, and other wealthy musicians and actors could help in the relief efforts, instead of focusing on how all americans could help his people, he chose to devote a large chunk of the time he had to criticize the President and the government, and even worse, at a time that he wasn't fully knowledgeable of the situation. If Kanye had a full understanding of the neglect, he would have first criticized FEMA and the Louisiana governor. Unfortunately, he just became another rapper spitting "knowledge" on an issue he didn't "know" enough about. Where's Barak Obama when you need him.

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There's many people who agree with Kanye too at the same time, you don't watch the news and see all the people criticising Bush? Representives from the Red Cross, the media, and other government leaders from other countries are all saying that Bush dropped the ball. Open your eyes man! In all fairness though whether you agree or disagree with Kanye we're all on the same team ain't we? We gotta work together and unify together to get all the victims out of there in New Orleans, everybody needs to help, Bush needs to help, the black community needs to help, all celebrities need to help, we gotta come together!

[MaxFly]

Here's more details, the press is starting to criticise Bush too if you read the article, Kanye West ain't the only one sayin' somethin', you can't tell people to lie down and stay calm when nobody does anything, don't front you'd be angry too if you were there with no food, shelter, or water for 4 days and it'll be a riot if everybody doesn't get rescued soon!  :sick: :

Rick Bowmer/AP Photo 

Police Try to Keep Order in New Orleans

By ROBERT TANNER

AP National Writer

NEW ORLEANS - As authorities struggled to keep order across this ruined city, the continuing strain from Hurricane Katrina erupted when gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors and the state's largest newspaper lashed out at the federal government's response.

Despite the tensions, rescues of stranded residents continued Sunday as Coast Guard helicopters picked up refugees and the flood waters began to recede, leaving the grisly task of collecting bodies.

Federal officials urged those still left in New Orleans to leave for their own safety. Large-scale evacuations were completed at the Superdome and Convention Center.

The death toll across the Gulf Coast was not known. But bodies were everywhere: floating in canals, slumped in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways and medians and hidden in attics.

"I think it's evident it's in the thousands," Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said Sunday on CNN, echoing predictions by city and state officials last week.

The Times-Picayune, in an open letter to President Bush, called for the firing of every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, saying they failed to rescue thousands of citizens stranded by Katrina.

"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

"Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially," the letter said. "No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced."

One bright spot to the crisis was to the west, where neighboring Jefferson Parish was to allow residents back in Monday - as long as they show a valid ID proving residency, bring food, have a full tank of gas and don't drink the water.

Parish President Aaron Broussard warned the 460,000 residents that they would find all traffic signals destroyed, no open stores and a dusk-to-dawn curfew. He recommended that women not come alone.

Violence boiled over when 14 contractors on their way to help plug the breech in the 17th Street Canal came under fire as they traveled across a bridge under police escort, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. Police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six, Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said. None of the contractors was injured, authorities said.

Besides the lawlessness, civilian deaths and uncertainty about their families, New Orleans' police have had to deal with suicides in their ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to Riley. Both shot themselves in the head, he said.

"I've got some firefighters and police officers that have been pretty much traumatized," Mayor Ray Nagin said. "And we've already had a couple of suicides, so I am cycling them out as we speak. ... They need physical and psychological evaluations."

At two of the city's damaged levees, engineers continued making repairs that would allow pumps to begin draining the floodwaters. "The water is receding now. We just have a long ways to go," Mike Rogers, a disaster relief coordinator with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, said Sunday.

Hundreds of thousands of people already have been evacuated, seeking safety in Texas, Tennessee and other states. With more than 230,000 already in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry ordered emergency officials to begin preparations to airlift some of them to other states that have offered help.

What will happen to the refugees in the long term was not known.

Amid the tragedy, about two dozen people gathered in the French Quarter for the Decadence Parade, an annual Labor Day gay celebration. Matt Menold, 23, a street musician wearing a sombrero and a guitar slung over his back, said: "It's New Orleans, man. We're going to celebrate."

In New Orleans' Garden District, a woman's body lay at the corner of Jackson Avenue and Magazine Street - a business area with antique shops on the edge of blighted housing. The body had been there since at least Wednesday. As days passed, people covered the corpse with blankets or plastic.

By Sunday, a short wall of bricks had been built around the body, holding down a plastic tarpaulin. On it, someone had spray-painted a cross and the words, "Here lies Vera. God help us."

___

Associated Press Writers Jim Litke, Dan Sewell and Mary Foster contributed to this report

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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."

That piece of criticism, the President deserves. But again, the article doesn't focus blame on him. It focuses blame on FEMA.

Kanye West didn't say anything about FEMA. Didn't say anything about the Govenor of Louisiana. Didn't say anything about the gangs in NO who are just making relief efforts more difficult. But he did call out the President by name. Makes you question not only the time and place he chose to say what he needed to say, but how knowledgeable he was on the situation before he talked.

[Frenetic]

Maxfly

Interesting that you don't respond to my info about Bush cutting out on funds helping hurricnae disasters aftermath. ALOT.

IT IS Bush's responsibility, it's his country, he could've ordered a better evacuation. He didn't have the money to it. The worlds only super-power didn't have the money to evacuate it's own people.

The US won't be united wether kanye said that or not, cause people ARE unhappy with the racial difference in the US. Kanye spole on that matter cause he knew it wouldn't matter. A false outwards show of amerca being united it worse than someone taking a stance and putting it out in the air.

[mixmastermegan7]

Kanye didn't do anything besides say what everyone else was too afraid to say. It's true, Bush doesn't care. Don't you think if that hurricane hit Flordia Bush would be there in a second and willing to give them whatever they needed. However, because it's New Orleans and the majority of people are black, Bush just figures he can take his sweet time. It's embarassing

We should all just come together in this time, not fight about who's right or wrong b/c everyone is going to have a different opinion. The most important thing right now is donating and praying for the people down there.

[MaxFly]

Why the hell are they shooting them for. If Bush doesn't want them stealing to survive. Then GET THEM OUT OF THERE, I dont see what is so hard about that. and about this White/Black crap. It doesnt matter what colour you are. White black asian etc. We are all as one. We are all humans and we shouldn't be treated different. Kanye had a right to say what he said. And your arguing about at the right time?, That doesn't matter does it. It's been said. Nothing we can do about it. Unless all of us march right into the oval office. It's bull**** we can't. I know i can't. There not going to listen to us. So i just don't understand how arguing is going on in our own commuinty.

Discuss things with diginity and not screaming down eachothers throats. Because whatever you say or do. Nothing can change this situation.

Nothing.

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It matters when and where Kanye said what he said because he was asked and agreed do what the benefit concert organizers asked him to do... and he didn't... Instead he spoke on his political beliefs and likely turned many people off and caused a lot of outrage at a time and place where he was supposed to be garnering support, funds, and in general, unity. A great number of people have called NBC to protest what Kanye said, accusing him of politicizing a situation in which people were dying. Regardless of whether you agree with what he said or not, his statements did cause controversy at a time when controversy is the last thing that is needed, and even if it wasn't his intention, he politicized a tragedy. Instead of focusing on how the black community abroad, he, and other wealthy musicians and actors could help in the relief efforts, instead of focusing on how all americans could help his people, he chose to devote a large chunk of the time he had to criticize the President and the government, and even worse, at a time that he wasn't fully knowledgeable of the situation. If Kanye had a full understanding of the neglect, he would have first criticized FEMA and the Louisiana governor. Unfortunately, he just became another rapper spitting "knowledge" on an issue he didn't "know" enough about. Where's Barak Obama when you need him.

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There's many people who agree with Kanye too at the same time, you don't watch the news and see all the people criticising Bush? Representives from the Red Cross, the media, and other government leaders from other countries are all saying that Bush dropped the ball. Open your eyes man! In all fairness though whether you agree or disagree with Kanye we're all on the same team ain't we? We gotta work together and unify together to get all the victims out of there in New Orleans, everybody needs to help, Bush needs to help, the black community needs to help, all celebrities need to help, we gotta come together!

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Are you saying that because others agree with Kanye that Bush doesn't care about black people, both Kanye and those people have to be right?

I don't think I have to even correct you on that. You must have caught the glaring gap in that piece of logic by now.

Representatives from the Red Cross, the media, and other government leaders are heavily criticizing FEMA as well, much much more than they are criticizing Bush. The President is the most visible and easiest person to blame, but if you want to call yourself educated, if you want to say that you are erudite, if you believe yourself to be knowledgeable, you need to examine the whole situation. Don't heap the blame on the most visible person. Investigate, and then if that person is to blame indeed, get on with the blaming...

Unfortunately for Kanye and for some of you, the most visible and easiest person to blame in this situation doesn't deserve all of the blame or even the majority of the blame and either you haven't done your homework or you're just too stubborn to admit it.

[bigted]

It doesn't matter if Kanye said it or not 'cause it seems that the government don't pay attention to what black people said and at this very minute Jessie Jackson's on CNN and just tellin' the reporter not to call the people down in New Orleans refugees! Let's face it they wouldn't call the victims refugees if it happened in a suburban area of 90% of California but it happened in New Orleans where 90% of the people are black, this is racism, Bush doesn't care about black people, the conservatives don't wanna hear that 'cause they have no problems but it's true that's why we deal drugs, that's why we have a hard time finding jobs, and that's why so many of us end up in jail 'cause there's no options for us, this is the truth, "It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" is more than just the title of the greatest rap album ever but it's the reality which makes it the greatest thing hip-hop has ever said, a nation of millions is holding us back! :shake:

Edited September 5, 2005 by bigted

[MooseKnuckles]

kanye was right, in that this isnt being handled well..however, you cant blame the prez for everything, a lot of people do jump on that bandwagon- "oh bush sucks, its all his fault" most of these people have no clue what they are talking about, theyre just sheep..if you think bush wants people to die in New Orleans, youre a fool..i cant imagine what i would do if i was him, how do you go about rebuilding a whole city? god bless him

[MaxFly]

Maxfly

Interesting that you don't respond to my info about Bush cutting out on funds helping hurricnae disasters aftermath. ALOT.

IT IS Bush's responsibility, it's his country, he could've ordered a better evacuation. He didn't have the money to it. The worlds only super-power didn't have the money to evacuate it's own people.

The US won't be united wether kanye said that or not, cause people ARE unhappy with the racial difference in the US. Kanye spole on that matter cause he knew it wouldn't matter. A false outwards show of amerca being united it worse than someone taking a stance and putting it out in the air.

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Think about this Frenetic:

What your source doesn't tell you is that while Bush did indeed cut funds for hurricane disaster aftermath for specically such a disaster, the same money that was lost there was made up when the department of homeland security was created, the same organization that is over FEMA and would be directly involved in relief efforts after a hurricane. In essence, hurricane relief funds were consolidated and not entirely cut. The problem however is that there is more bureacracy. Bush was too shortsighted to see this. If your souce is too be completely truthful, they would have added that important piece if information.

The US had and has enough money for relief... Your statement is a flat out false Frenetic. Completely wrong and baseless and I expect to to retract that statement as soon as possible.

FEMA and the department of homeland security as a whole are very well funded. The department of homeland security especially with the recent threat of terrorist attacks. The problem is that because of all the bureacracy and truthfully, the lack of insight, they acted slowly initially. But they are extremely well funded.

He could have ordered a better evacuation? That's a false statement too. In the case of a natural disaster, the mayor of a city and the govenor of a state order evacuations. That power is alloted to the states by mandate of the 10th Ammendment of the Constitution. Infact, the govenor refused to federalize the evacuation and rescue process when the president asked her to because she didn't want to give up power. You have to get the full story.

About unity. Creating more controversy when we should be attempting to create unity is never a good thing, regardless of the conditions. Further igniting emotions at a time when emotions are already high is never a good thing. Calling out the president at the wrong time and place, especially when you're not fully informed is never a good thing.

Now that I've addressed your concerns, I am still waiting on you to address why people shot at Navy Core of Engineer workers who are were attemting to get to one of the levees to repair it.

I also expect you to retract that false statement about the lack of funds for relief efforts.

Edited September 5, 2005 by MaxFly

[Frenetic]

Edit: POsted it same time maxfly posted his. Will post a new reply

Edited September 5, 2005 by Frenetic