JumpinJack AJ Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 fresh prince in jeans....what are u talking about "2002"...music has started sucking more more since the late 90's. The music that gets supported commercially has been suffering 4 a long time. Hip-Hop commercially has turned 2 boring rap music ever since the mid-90's. I think the last 5 years have been tragically worse than ever tho.' Good music still breaks thru' from time 2 time. Alicia Keys for example. FP definitly has a chance with every album he drops. However, the way his lables have screwed him along with how he doesn't schedule wisley dosen't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Check on Mos Def's track The Rape over lyrics: Boogie man business) Listen Old white men is runnin this rap **** Corporate force's runnin this rap **** Some tall israeli is runnin this rap **** We poke out our asses for a chance to cash in Cocaine, is runnin this rap **** 'Dro, 'yac and E-pills is runnin this rap **** The rape over, turn your face over nigga No god in disguise it's me, game over Hey lil souljahs you ready for war? But don't ask what you're fighting for Just hope that you sur--vive the gunfight, the drama, the stress You get in the line of fire, we get the big ass checks You gettin your choice of pimp Make your choice and fall in This is ho stroll B I, take that cock in your behind, beyotch Hit the streets and perform for us Hold hard and bring it on to us, ****er I let you sip up some army, get a Mercedes And kick back and let you pay me, my Mack is crazy I leave the, knife and fist fight filled with glamour Yeah, take a picture with this platinum plated sledgehammer We over-do it add the fire and explosion to it We sold confusion, we front rap music MTV, is runnin this rap **** Viacomm is runnin this rap **** AOL and Time Warner runnin this rap **** We poke out our asses for a chance to cash in Cocaine, is runnin this rap **** Hennessey, is runnin this rap **** Quasi-homosexuals is runnin this rap **** Watch out! we run the world... That's it Mos speaks the truth! I think Will should don't give a **** about sales and just release the track Lost & Found! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 7, 2005 Author Admin Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 good idea.. heres 2 more tracks Artist: Del The Funky Homosapien Song: Del'S Nightmare The slave master watching over you, Always trying to tell you what the **** to do! The slave master watching over you, But ain't nothing gonna stop me and my crew! This is for you kids trying to get signed. Just a little something you should keep in mind: The labels are slave masters. Artists are slaves. Don't get too raunchy. They want you to behave. You get signed. You're thinking, "This is great!" But wait You never knew what was at stake. Creative control they withold. You sell your soul when you sign on the dotted line hoping to go gold. But you'll never see that, not without promotion. The label'll just throw your **** out, and got it floatin'. You think your **** is potent, but ain't nobody buying it. If they ain't never heard of it, ain't nobody trying it. If they ain't never heard of it 'your record' they murder it. You can complain. But they are not concerned a bit.' Cause when they signed you, they thought you'd make a hit 'cause of who you were affiliated with, and all that bull****. Frustrations. All these rules and regulations Just so you can have your **** heard by the nation. And be patient. 'Cause by the time theyfinally release your **** its ancient. You think they're working your album? You're mistaken. And if you flop, you get dropped. 'Cause you ain't the star. You didn't go pop. Just straight up hip-hop. Time to get a mop. 'Cause without no promotion, of course sales drop. Peep the break down: If tapes cost ($)10, You'll probaably only get to see a dollar in the end, That you cannot spend. Cause your budget gets recouped. So you never get cash unless your record is "Shoop." You better hope you get shows, which will not happen If you don't have a record that's the main attraction. Even if you sell a million, you'll get burned Cause they keep half your cash just in case of returns. For a while, you wonder why rappers don't smile. 'cause to them, you're not an artist. You're just another file. Another nigger used to make another buck. They don't give a ****. And if your **** don't blow up, tough. But the star gets both promotion and devotion From the whole ****ing staff. At you, they laugh. The star probably don't know that he the house nigger. Thinking he bigger cause he's the, pick of the litter. These lebels think backwards. They push the acts that need it the least So they can get all the money they can when it's released. They take you to a restarant for a feast, And then expect you to pck up the check? That's why I give props to niggaz who is independent: 'Cause they make they own money, plus decide how to spend it. Splendid.And lets end it. And don't get offended. (Chorus 2x) The slave master watching over you, Always trying to tell you what the **** to do. The slave master watching over you, But ain't nothing gonna stop me and my crew. Hieroglyphics! public enemy - swindlers lust A Dollar A Rhyme But We Barely Get A Dime If You Don?t Own The Master Then The Master Own You Who Do You Trust From Swindler?s Lust From The Back Of The Bus Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul And Swindler?s Lust Hickory Dickory Dock Hand In My Pocket Robbed Me For My Chocolate Mo Dollars Mo Cents For The Big Six Another Million Led To Bled Claimin They Innocence Is It Any Wonder Why Black Folks Goin Under Cause Niggas Be Sold In Bundles No Pressure Tell Me Why They Don?t Care Rap And R & B Pavin The Streets Of Belair From The Sales Of Singers No Longer Here The Bigger Killer Gets The Bigger Share Now The Ones I Attack The Negros Got Their Back And Know 80-20 Is A Whack Contract Forever Lack The Voice Of Real Black Stole Rock And Roll And Ain?t Gave It Back Started Off My Defense Now They?re The Ones I Defend Against Who Fell Up Into The Tricks **** The Fight The Power **** Get That Chuck D Nigga Fixed And Keep Him Up Outta The Mix Well Hell Tell Em Chuck Don?t Suck No Dick Be An Ass And The Ass Get Kicked Hand In My Pocket Robbed Me For My Chocolate Watch Em Swindle Yo Ass And Turn A Profit If You Don?t Own The Master Then The Master Own You Who Do You Trust From Swindler?s Lust From The Back Of The Bus Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul And Swindler?s Lust They Don?t Care About Me They Don?t Care About You They Don?t Care About You And Ya Crew Ya Family Neighborhood And Plus They Don?t Give A Damn About Us Profit Off The Soul Of Black Folk Turn Em Into Bitchez And Niggas And Stupid Ass Jokes Laugh Wit Us Or Laughin At Us That Is What I?m Guessin We Interrupt This Program Wit That Question Laughin All The Way To The Bank Remember Dem Own The Banks And Dem G-Damn Tanks Now What Company Do I Thank Ain?t This A Bitch Heard They Owned Slaves And A Ship That Sank If You Don?t Own The Master Then The Master Own You Who Do You Trust From Swindler?s Lust From The Back Of The Bus Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul And Swindler?s Lust This Is For The Blues People In The Delta This Is For Everybody In The 50?s That Didn?t Get Their Money Little Richard Gettin Half A Penny A Penny All The Super Soul Singers Of The 60?s All The Bands Of The 70?s On The Outside Lookin In All The People That Didn?t Make A Dime Off Their Session Playin And Even The Rappers In The 80?s And The 90?s Still Tryin To Get Paid For What They Put In If You Don?t Own The Master Then The Master Own You Who Do You Trust From Swindler?s Lust From The Back Of The Bus Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul And Swindler?s Lust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'd say this rhyme by KRS-ONE's "Come To Da Party" is also relevant to these times more than ever: "Negative rap, positive rap, forget that black it's a trap to set us back, concentrate on various rap talents Presently the rap radio format is unbalanced You either got the player, or the concious rhyme sayer all day, on your radio, not with a different flavor Someone has to DIE before you hear a concious record People don't like gangsta rap, but concious rap, they don't respect it The truth is people are afraid of black youth Our expressions, our lessons and gold teeth, so.." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigie Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 sad to know this... I spent the last 4 weeks on studyin' and not comin to this forum, I was expectin good news or somethin ok?, and i found this topic..i feel sad i think everybody here is sad, but i think Will got a last chance, Tell me why could be the HIT, i would like Will release Lost & Found..but if PS didn't achieved very much cause its lyrics, L&F will scare ppl, MTV sucks, only support videos wit any good messages. Why should Will try to sound like y'all sound?...now I'll be back to my books, c ya ppl!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh-Ta-Def Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 damn thats too bad it was a great song still is but radio is hatin.. i still haven't seen the video, they didn't play it on bet while i didn't have internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 I don't blame Will for the flop of Lost & Found! This was Interscope's fault...i don't get why he signed there..it would have been better if he released it completely on overbrook or ATOJ! I think one of the reviewers of all hip hop.com said it...this album could have reached 4*plat , if interscope promoted it just like 50 cents or Eminem album! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 "Lost and Found" didn't have massive success but to say it flopped is foolish, only a handful of albums went at least gold this year and he's nominated for an AMA, it wasn't a flop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) i think this is also some music that relates....mos def- fear not of man It's a lot of things goin on y'all 21st century is comin 20th century almost done A lot of things have changed A lot of things have not, mainly us We gon' get it together right? I believe that Listen.. people be askin me all the time, "Yo Mos, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?" (Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?) I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop? Whatever's happening with us" If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alrightPeople talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant livin in the hillside comin down to visit the townspeople We +are+ Hip-Hop Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin?Til you get a clear idea So.. if Hip-Hop is about the people and the.. Hip-Hop won't get better until the people get better then how do people get better? (Hmmmm...) Well, from my understanding people get better when they start to understand that, they are valuable And they not valuable because they got a whole lot of money or cause somebody, think they sexy but they valuable caause they been created by God And God, makes you valuable And whether or not you, recognize that value is one thing You got a lot of socities and governments tryin to be God, wishin that they were God They wanna create satellites and cameras everywhere and make you think they got the all-seein eye thats only the first part, what i take from that is i think hip hop is goin downhill nowadays cause all the drama with terror and stuff like that. Edited October 9, 2005 by WILL IS ILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 This album probably have done it better on the box-office, it had the opportunity to get plat, but failed on bad promotion. Even the haters admitted when it came out that the album is hot and has the potencial to outsell 50! That's the point that bothers me alot. I think you mentioned it before Big Ted, Will Smith is not Mos Def or Common on a popularity level,so i think that Gold is for someone like FP not a big achievement! L+F flopped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members uclan Posted October 21, 2005 Members Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 :damnlorettas: What is wrong with you people? Why are you saying that Partystarter is dead in the water? In the UK it is getting a decent amount of spins on the music channels and certain radio stations such as Galaxy play it and not just once or twice to fill a gap in the schedule. The reason why Interscope aren't promoting Partystarter much is that they will be hoping that it will do the same as switch which they didn't promote but still sold well and got airplay and is still getting spins on the music channels.Granted its not the best promotional tactic but it is what they are doing. In order for Partystarter to do well you all have to realise that the only way for it to do so is for the fans to go out and buy it and KEEP THE FAITH. Partystarter isn't even released until Monday in the UK and i can only speak for the UK as that is where I live. You all need to stop being so pessimistic and get behind the record. Stop saying that Tell Me Why should be released and just buy, legally download and request it as much as possble. Don't give up because as soon as the fans give up the record company and the entire industry will give up on Will and that should not happen. Come on people deal with the hear and now and support Partystarter and not Tell Me Why. Save that for when that song gets released IF it gets released! :jada: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 21, 2005 Author Admin Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 hey we were talking about the US not the UK.. we still got high hopes for party starter success through europe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Julie Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 party starter isnt dead, it just emigrated. :word: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesUK Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 party starter isnt dead, it just emigrated. :word: To England !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 22, 2005 Author Admin Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 doesnt look like party starter is gonna make the top 20 here in oz :damnyou: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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