mfuqua23 Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Who said he had a collection? Maybe it's DVDs, or maybe it's one of those life size VERY realistic expensive dolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh-Ta-Def Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 yeah it cud be a doll, but i aint mad at kanye throw it on when ya wit cha hunnie haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenetic Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 AJ: u know what jesus walks is about? It's about no matter who u are...and what u've done.. jesus will walk with u if u want to and if u need him. Is he worse than Rihanna, Teirra Mari, Aguilera, Britney Spears, JEssica Simpson and so on.. they basically show porn in they videos while kanye just admitts he watch's it. And... i don't give a **** about what he does in his spairtime... come on.. Tupac was accused of like thousands of crimes... biggie 2. Willie has said some ignorant **** about homosexuals, Eazy-E wasn't the perfect son-in-law and so on.. He can ****ing watch pornos all day as long as it doesn't affect the music and he doesn't flaunt it in tv (and he doesn't). His image towards the public is: be positive, believe in ya self, follow your dreams, but there are obstacles. He doens't rap about pornos (even though some other rappers songs and vidieos basically are pornos). Quit the bull shiiittiiiin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) Well you know how people are, they try to put people on pedestals when they're famous, Kanye's human like the rest of us, there's millions of guys just like him who watch pornos on their free time, that doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people, I mean even the president probably does things on his freetime that some people might not agree with, lol, this was sorta bad timing for this to come out though considering that Kanye just dissed the president. Seriously since his mother's his manager she should know better that this could be used against him now when people criticise him and hip-hop since he's the major star of hip-hop right now, they could say: "This pervert has no right to criticise the president!" :paperbag: I could hear Bill O'Reilly now, lol! But you know what they could kiss his ass 'cause they ain't angels either! AJ probably would criticise Kanye more 'cause he don't like Kanye so it'd be hard to open minded about somebody you don't like anyway but if this was LL saying this he'd probably try to defend him just like Frenetic's doing here to defend Kanye since Kanye's one of his favorites but if was 50 Cent we'd all jump on it and criticise him since none of us here like him, of course LL would sound kinda stupid sayin' this now too after he said rappers need to be better role models, he'd keep that to himself even if he does 'cause he knows that millions look up to him, mostly children and he wants to say the right thing. Kanye's mother has to be more considerate not to say that publicly especially with all the heat he's facing right now from critics too, they'll eat this up. Edited October 11, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 11, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 well i dont really care about the porn thing.. but I think there is a lot of "positive" rappers who dont really live how they portray themselves in their music and i find that just as reprehensible as some1 who pretends to be a gangsta in there music and isnt.. common is one..encore is another.. and "raheem devaugn" on the positive soul music kind of things... the question we should be askin is why does this guy need porn when hes a huge star he probably has groupie hoes throwin themselves at him daily.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) I think people need to realise that music is only entertainment and stop trying to think that's how these people really are like this in real life and yes Will did say that he watches porno versions of his movies so we're gonna like him less too? I think a lot of this talk about rappers being role models for kids is BS too, of course they should be responsible in society but the ultimate role models have to be the parents that personally raise them, their should be more emphasis on that. I also think critics putting down people they don't know are also setting bad examples and shouldn't be role models either, the idea is to be open minded, that's why there's so much beef since our minds are closed a lot of the time towards others. If the camera was on us 24/7 people would find stuff about us that they won't like either, keep that in mind before you diss somebody for their lifestyle, it's ok to diss them for their music if you don't like them, that's something different. I think JJFP are the greatest hip-hop duo but I understand that they're human as well, "Twinkle Twinkle"(I'm Not A Star) Edited October 11, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GB215 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Just dont pretend to be someone you are not in your music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 You guys just got done talking about how Kanye West was a leader when he called out the president on national television so I'm not sure why he shouldn't be considered a role model. It seems that someone who is a leader would be a role model for others as well. In kind, I fully agree that parents should be the primary role models for their children, and it is unfortunate that this is not the reality right now, however, whether we like it or not, Kanye has some level of influence and there are young people who admire him. While it is his personal business, it's not something that will endear him to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) To be honest I feel sorta embarassed for defending Kanye so much about what he said about Bush after hearing about this situation with porno but at the same time I also feel that hey Will curses in real life so why not in his songs? I mean I'm sure his grandmom would be just as mad at him for cursing in movies like it'd be if he was cursing in his songs and if he really cared about not cursing that much he'd turn down those roles where he was cursing on, he's a grown man now though and should be able to do what he wants is what most critics of his would say. The only reason we defend him for that 'cause we're his fans but if we weren't his fans we'd diss him for that I guarantee, Kanye might as well rap about hoes at the same time too since he watches porno in real life, what's the big difference? Nobody on TV is a role model, not the president, not the rappers, not the NBA players, you really don't know about them that much as a person and you should judge them only on the work they do in their profession and idiolise them for that, but there should be people you associate with personally in your life that you should look up to as role models, not people you see on TV you don't know. Now I feel that Kanye wasn't the right person to say something about Bush 'cause he needs to look himself in the mirror too but at the same time the government shouldn't diss rappers either and they should do their job. I mean the way some of us talk about Will here I found funny too, I mean he's not a god either, he drinks, he gambles, he has sex, and he has guns in his house, he shouldn't be put on a pedestal either, I just look for him as a great entertainer and that's it. Edited October 12, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesSyde Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) Ok, at first my reaction was like whatever, it's natural, then i read smootb's post which stated: what about him being the guy who made jesus walks is sex a sin well, first off, let me say that sex with someone other than your spouse, or someone you're not married with, or pornography goes against what has been written in the Christian bible. u dead wrong homie get your facts straight BUT then i read Frenetic's post: jesus will walk with u if u want to and if u need him. and i realized something, maybe the Jesus that Kanye is talking about isn't the same Jesus that i usually think of. maybe he's talking about a general belief of Jesus, not a specific religion belief of Jesus. maybe it's a "black jesus" (2pac) or a general belief that God and Jesus exist like Will believes. i'd like to hear Kanye's thoughts on what religion (if any) he follows and what kind of Jesus he believes in. cuz if he believes in the type of Jesus that Frenetic suggested, than there's nothing wrong with what he did. even though **In my opinion: i don't agree with that and i think it's bogus** if that's what he believes than that's cool by me. BUT if that's his belief, than i lost some respect for the song Jesus walks cuz i thought it was more about the Jesus that we hear about in the bible than the 2pac theory of "black jesus" who understands why we sin and condones it because we all livin under stress. bottom line is it's a matter of belief, belief of what, who Jesus really is. when i first read it, i was like NO way, but then Frenetic's post enlightened me to another way of viewing it even tho i don't agree with it. i mean, Will believes along the same line, that there's a God and Jesus without believing in a religion so i can respect that. i'm not sure if Will takes it so far as saying that Jesus will forgive you for anything that you do, especially when you self conciously know it's wrong and you're a grown man. the above my take on the subject and my personal opinions were not meant to offend or hurt anybody. i'm not trying to start an argument. i know that religion can open up the door to all kinds of things, thats why i tried to choose my words carefully. Edited October 12, 2005 by reborn2reign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Why are you guys rippin him for this? Run out of things to hate a man for? I mean come on, He's only human. Just leave the poor man alone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Why are you guys rippin him for this? Run out of things to hate a man for? I mean come on, He's only human. Just leave the poor man alone.... Well, some now consider him to be a leader in the black community. That much has been stated on this forum. Leaders have to be held to some standard. :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come on now......This isn't the worst thing someone can do. being blown WAAAAAAAAY out of proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesSyde Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 i think the problem is Kanye portraying himself to be different than he is. it's just as bad for 50 to portray himself to be a killer when he's soft as it is for Kanye to portray himself a religious man when he doesnt abide to certain rules of course this may not be the case as i pointed out above, i dont want to make people think that it is. unfortunately tho it does dissapoint me a little about Kanye just due to my personal opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come on now......This isn't the worst thing someone can do. being blown WAAAAAAAAY out of proportion. I know, I'm just playing devil's advocate, but rest assured... the next time Kanye criticizes anyone, they may very well come back with a quip about his pornography stash... At the very least, he's giving critics ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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