Lerkot Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The White Jesus existed as much as the Black Jesus. Not at all, but if there was a Jesus... well theres mainly like white people living in Bettlehem, right? Well, that could a be a reason why people think he's white. Plus, back in the days, black were often used as slaves and I dont think he could walk around and learn people stuff in like 20 years... And by the way, lets say he was born in Africa somewhere... Swaziland, wouldnt the "normal" opinion be that Jesus is white? You gotta think about the demographics even in religion. And maybe he wasnt black or white. He might have been a zebra, or even a woman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawad_m Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) Yeah people tryin' to persuade you to believe their religious beliefs is just as bad as trying to somebody to do drugs when they don't want to, we all have our own beliefs and we need to respect each other's point of view. I mean as long as Kanye doesn't encourage kids to watch pornos publicly he could do what he wants behind closed doors and I have nothing against that, his mother came out and said it not him, you don't have to be perfect to be a role model either, it's the parents that raise the kids, if they were there for them they wouldn't do some of the things they do, you can't put all the weight on the entertainers to do that, even 2Pac would smoke weed on his free time but he's called the greatest rapper for his great songs with positive messages, you could call him a hypocrite if you want but he was human. Now as far Kanye the rapper no way in hell would ever like him as much as LL, FP, KRS, Chuck D, Nas, Pac, etc. to call him one of my favorites but I try to bring an open minded point of view to the table more now so I don't have to always beef about it with those that like him here. I don't care what Kanye West does privately and most people don't, who cares if he looks at porn, im not trying to criticize him at all on that, what im saying is that hes' trying to use contraversial issues, especially religion and race as a tool of promoting himself and the album. It's just my opinion, I beleive in a lot of what he says, but I just think the circumstances and the way he voices his views are completely inappropriate. Okay 2 weeks ago or so, just about every website I visited had a picture or article clearly on Kanye West. Aol had an interview, just about every music site I visted had a major feature on Kanye West on their homepage. Why so? Was it because of the new album reviews, definately, but I have never seen such exposure in my life. Much of it was due to the enormous publicity the Hurricane comments triggered. IF this was an isolated thing that Kanye did, fine, but he seems to do it all the time, I have no problem with his views(more or less :shakehead: ): "Man made diseases placed in African communities"-fine, beleieve that, who knows On Saddam: "US gov gave him anthrax": I think thats what occured On US troops having shoot to kill orders: I agree with him that it's wrong and so on and so on, I agree with most of it, but using live events like the LiveAid concerts giving generalised satements like "george bush doesn't care about black people" is self serving. I don't like what he's doing, so what, im allowed to sat it! :paperbag: Edited October 12, 2005 by rawad_m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic1988 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The White Jesus existed as much as the Black Jesus. Not at all, but if there was a Jesus... well theres mainly like white people living in Bettlehem, right? Well, that could a be a reason why people think he's white. Plus, back in the days, black were often used as slaves and I dont think he could walk around and learn people stuff in like 20 years... well the paintings of the white jesus are there because during the renissance (I proally spelled that wrong) the painters started to draw jesus, this wasn't done before so they just assumed he was white when he was proablly much darker probally olive skin type of color due to the time and area where he lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerkot Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Yeah people are allowed to believe in what they want to... now heres what I think; there is no God, and the some Gods just cant exist... And if he do, if you see someone steal a flower at your backyard... you gotta cut the arm of that person. And if you know someone that cheats one someone, you gotta kill that person. Thats absurd. I think God was a way in the older days to explain something you and no one else could explain. And yet, many people just doesnt give a damn about evidence, and say "everything is created by God and Gods ways are a bit wack sometimes but you know in the end the world will become the paradise"... In Europe, religion is really really declining or what you should say.. the americans are still much more religious but I think that time is soon over.. The American people sure doesnt love changes as much as we europes do... and that can be great sometimes... but in this case... no. Slavery, inches and Fahrenheit is other examples of things that took/takes a little long to drop ^^ My last word on religion in this forum (I think, cause I dont really love the subject) is that the last pope is the worst massmurder through all times, and this new guy is gonna keep on hating on condoms, so the AIDS will be spreading even more. Thanks alot for that.... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Why are you guys rippin him for this? Run out of things to hate a man for? I mean come on, He's only human. Just leave the poor man alone.... Well, some now consider him to be a leader in the black community. That much has been stated on this forum. Leaders have to be held to some standard. :sick: so this is a personal thing against people considering him a leader? WHAT has he done? Ray Charles was a basehead dawg. JFK fukkked marilyn Bill Clinton got his **** blo** by Monica DMX is a crackhead/was The list goes on. They were all "leaders" in they genre or community.. Should i even bring up people like Malcom.. Ali and more... disrespecting their religion? Shut the hell up mayne. Dude watches pornos and admitts. he doesn't say u should do it, not even in his songs. His songs are positive... his songs are important as a spokesman in the mainstream fo voices that are not heard otherwise. now when a rapper is negative.. u say he needs to be positive.. Whens he's positive... he's a pervert... aah..shut the hell up Lol, I guess you missed the sarcasm in my statement... But in all seriousness, my concern is that we're so desperate for a leader, we're quick to annoint anyone who has a platform and voices their opinions based on the fact that we like them. Are we that lost that we need Kanye West to be our leader? Also, if one day he does seek to become a veritable leader, others have ammunition to criticize him inspite of the relevance. Is it fair? Maybe not, but it's reality. The College Dropout was included on a ballot for the Stellar Awards, a prestigious gospel award. Kanye's been invited to churches to perform Jesus Walks... Whether you believe him to be a leader, a role model or just an example... this may affect how people look at him. The White Jesus existed as much as the Black Jesus. Not at all, but if there was a Jesus... well theres mainly like white people living in Bettlehem, right? Well, that could a be a reason why people think he's white. Plus, back in the days, black were often used as slaves and I dont think he could walk around and learn people stuff in like 20 years... And by the way, lets say he was born in Africa somewhere... Swaziland, wouldnt the "normal" opinion be that Jesus is white? You gotta think about the demographics even in religion. And maybe he wasnt black or white. He might have been a zebra, or even a woman! Lerkot... We're talking about 2000 years ago... We won't be dropping inches and Fahrenheit anytime soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozmo D Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The White Jesus existed as much as the Black Jesus. Not at all, but if there was a Jesus... well theres mainly like white people living in Bettlehem, right? Well, that could a be a reason why people think he's white. Plus, back in the days, black were often used as slaves and I dont think he could walk around and learn people stuff in like 20 years... And by the way, lets say he was born in Africa somewhere... Swaziland, wouldnt the "normal" opinion be that Jesus is white? You gotta think about the demographics even in religion. And maybe he wasnt black or white. He might have been a zebra, or even a woman! No, there are mainly Arab people living in Bethlehem today. During the time of Jesus there were mainly Hebrews and other Semitic tribes. Semites are Asians, not Caucasians, and given their close proximity to Africa (basically walking distance) they were probably more of a darker hue than lighter. Blacks were not used as slaves in those times. The people of that time did not have a concept of race, they thought in terms of nationality and lineage. Anybody could be a slave or anything else, race, color, religion, tribe, or language had no bearing on a person's station whatsoever. The concept of race was developed in relatively modern times, chiefly as a means to justify the subjugation, exploitation, and/or enslavement of non-Europeans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerkot Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 "Blacks were not used as slaves in those times. The people of that time did not have a concept of race, they thought in terms of nationality and lineage. Anybody could be a slave or anything else, race, color, religion, tribe, or language had no bearing on a person's station whatsoever." Should do my homework better next time :) Interesting tho, that anyone could become a slave is a good thing... not a good thing, but better than if it would be an racial thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 This topic has gotten too far out of hand now, I personally think it's wrong to spend all that money on porno but that's how I feel and I don't care if Kanye does that, that's his life, and as far as the way he potrays himself, I feel that he needs to talk to his mother and tell her not to leak that to the public because people that ain't open minded will frown on him and that will hurt his image, he needs to start thinking before he talks too, he's too arrogant and after a while people won't like him, let the music speak for itself if it's good. btw I also think it's wrong that "College Dropout" was nominated for a Gospel Award 'cause his music is far from being gospel music to me, there are gospel rappers more deserving to get that shine because they don't dumb down to be popular and they deserve some due to be true to their artform, especially since they don't sell much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 12, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Hey Ted this topic hasn't got out of hand.. you actually learn from debate and differing opinions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxFly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I was wondering why it was closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 12, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 As for the living up to your music thing, why is it that only rappers seem to be expected to do that? They're songs people, nothing more. I do believe that rappers have a responsibility to at least balance their lyrics so at least their every word is not influencing their fans into a self-destructive mind state. We all know that many are failing at that woefully. But, they should be able to live their lives as they choose, as long as they're not hurting anybody else. They're only entertainers after all. I think music is a very personal thing, If you are making statements in your music, or advocating a certain lifestyle, or even giving your opinion on issues. I expect that to be how you would represent yourself in real life. If you are making throwaway candy coated music then I don't care what you are doing. I think this applies to all musicians not just rappers. It annoys me that someone is telling me to live positive in their song and they aren't even doing it themselves.. I think the musicians that show real honesty in their music the good and the bad are gonna make a greater connection with there fans.. The region Jesus was from most likely he had olive skin dark hair and brown eyes.. all those pictures of jesus with blonde hair and blue eyes are taken a little creative license :word: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozmo D Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 As for the living up to your music thing, why is it that only rappers seem to be expected to do that? They're songs people, nothing more. I do believe that rappers have a responsibility to at least balance their lyrics so at least their every word is not influencing their fans into a self-destructive mind state. We all know that many are failing at that woefully. But, they should be able to live their lives as they choose, as long as they're not hurting anybody else. They're only entertainers after all. I think music is a very personal thing, If you are making statements in your music, or advocating a certain lifestyle, or even giving your opinion on issues. I expect that to be how you would represent yourself in real life. If you are making throwaway candy coated music then I don't care what you are doing. I think this applies to all musicians not just rappers. It annoys me that someone is telling me to live positive in their song and they aren't even doing it themselves.. I think the musicians that show real honesty in their music the good and the bad are gonna make a greater connection with there fans.. For me it's just like religion, too many people focus on the teachers instead of the teachings. Most of the greatest teachers and philosophers in history were flawed, because they were human. That doesn't necessarily mean that their teachings were flawed as well. Hell, even Jesus had his flaws, though Christians today choose to ignore that fact. Now mind you, no way am I elevating Kanye up to anywhere near that kind of standard. :lolsign: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 12, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 good point :word: but if they admit their flaws I got no problem.. all i'm saying is be honest :shrug: I just think there is too much music out there that isn't very genuine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Well what more is there to discuss? If y'all want this to drag on for another month go right ahead, discussing Kanye West has become as annoying as discussing 50 Cent and Eminem to me. JJFP came out with clean cut music when they came out but they had groupies too on their free time since they were bachelors, I don't see what's the difference between that and Kanye watching pornos on his free time since he's a bachelor, food for thought, I'm out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Hero1 Posted October 12, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The Fresh Prince always rapped about girls so Will and the groupies never went against his music :lolsign: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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