Kool Moe Dee's 50 Greatest MCs

[Turntable]

I notice nobody from the Beastie Boys is on there either and yet there's Xzibit,

Thats ridicoulus. MCA is one of the best Mc`s. Should be at least in the top 20.

Pretty good list even though i might question what the hell Fat Joe is doing up there

Fat Joe got a sick Flow.

[bigted]

Fat Joe's dope, "Represent" is one of the best NY hip-hop albums of the mid-90s that's very underrated in my opinion and should be in the same sentence as "Illmatic" and "Reasonable Doubt", real street s***, so what he does commercial stuff now, it ain't like Nas and Jay-Z don't do anything commercial either? If you discredit him 'cause of his recent stuff then you'd have to discredit Nas for doing "Nastradamous". Longevity might hurt Slick Rick since he hasn't really done much lately but neither has Rakim or Queen Latifah.

[Turntable]

Fat Joe's dope, "Represent" is one of the best NY hip-hop albums of the mid-90s that's very underrated in my opinion and should be in the same sentence as "Illmatic" and "Reasonable Doubt", real street s***, so what he does commercial stuff now, it ain't like Nas and Jay-Z don't do anything commercial either?

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But I gotta say Fat Joe had some dope Songs on his newest Album. You felt much hunger again. But there also was some crap on it. And on new York he totaly outrapped Jadakiss and Ja.

Anyway I think it`s going up again with Fat Joe.

[bigted]

Well when you're in the game for awhile you have ups and downs, not all LL's stuff is perfect either and he's the best, it's like Biggie would've had some weak moments too if he were still living, so I think Fat Joe's one of the best too, him and Big Pun were a great duo. Anyway Kool Moe Dee's last hit was when he was featured on "Wild Wild West" with Will ironically, which also got nominated for a Grammy like Kool Moe Dee's original :kekeke:

Edited December 15, 2005 by bigted

[bigted]

I read on another hip-hop message board that Melle Mel was on "Rap City" on BET today, too bad I missed it! :hmm: Yeah people might say Slick Rick and Will Smith were the original storyteller but Melle Mel used to incorporate a lot of it into his rhymes, so did the SugarHill Gang, they should be on this list too, just 'cause they said a line from what Grandmaster Caz said in "Rapper's Delight" doesn't mean that they ain't hip-hop, I don't understand why KRS had to diss them so hard for that when he was making his speech in the UK, especially since he gives props to Dr. Dre now who uses ghostwriters. A lot of so called mcs today don't write their rhymes anyway, they were probably just biggin' him up since they were representin' for hip-hop the way that Jay-Z uses one or 2 lines from Biggie in between, it's all love...

It's a surprise that JJFP fans wouldn't know Melle Mel or Grandmaster Caz if they remember "Live At Union Square":

"I have to pay respect to Grandmaster Caz, Melle Mel, and DJ Red Alert..."

[mfuqua23]

I thought the Sugar Hill gang used Caz's rhyme entirely, just inserted their names in the rhymes?

[bigted]

No it wasn't it was only a couple lines, just 'cause they were from New Jersey instead of the Bronx doesn't mean they ain't hip-hop! I think KRS might get paid to ghostwrite for Dr. Dre that's probably why he gives him props :kekeke:

Edited December 16, 2005 by bigted

[mfuqua23]

Then what are you going to say when something you hear Dre say sucks and KRS ghost wrote it? :lolsign:

While we're on the subject of secrets, when I was kinda in this group, one of my partners was with this label called Sho-Gun or Sho-Nuff or however you pronounce the name (I don't know if it was an official signing deal or what), but when I talked to the guy who managed it, he was like "Should I tell him?" and he said he was Master P's cousin. I wasn't in awe or anything. I wish like "Really? That's cool." And somehow we got on the subject of some emcees. He said that Nas, Jay-Z, and I forget who else he said (I think Biggie) all went to the same high school. They're not really from where they say they're from. I don't know if such a thing is true, but if it were proven, it would seriously be a let down and disappointment. To this day, I think nothing of it.

If SHG used just a couple lines, what is Caz's beef then? If they didn't ask him, then yeah, he's within his rights to be mad.

[Lerkot]

The whole Lois Lane-verse is Caz.

Edited December 16, 2005 by Lerkot

[bigted]

Well I heard that Nas is gonna be doing some ghostwriting on Diddy's new album, so you're gonna feel the same way I do :kekeke: The reason why I said that KRS must be getting paid from Dre is 'cause he usually criticises rappers for not writing their rhymes and we all know that Dre don't write his rhymes so why wouldn't he get dissed then?

[Turntable]

Well I heard that Nas is gonna be doing some ghostwriting on Diddy's new album

Talib Kweli and Jadakiss too. Diddy might have some dope rhymes on his new album. lol

[bigted]

Melle Mel is real tight with the Sugar Hill Gang so maybe that's why he dissed KRS-ONE recently in that interview 'cause he probably heard the audio of that speech, that'd be fun to see them battle each other, lol, maybe Melle Mel might like Nelly too since he said in an interview that Melle Mel's one of his favorites, his original name used to be Nelly Nel, he shortened it to Nelly. Imagine if Will ghostwrote a gangsta rap song for Snoop, it's possible since they're friends and Snoop uses ghostwriters too, he had R. Kelly write a couple songs on "Paid Da Cost To Be Da Boss", anything's possible, lol.

Edited December 16, 2005 by bigted

[mfuqua23]

I really don't like ghost writers. Diddy and them shouldn't be getting paid for something they can't do. I don't think ghost writing applies the same with R&B/Pop singers. Hip Hop lyrics is something anybody can do, whether you've got the voice for it or not. So it should be truly an individual effort. If say me and Ted was in a studio, and I suggested a line for him to use, I sure as heck didn't ghost write for him; nor would I take ridiculous credit for it.

It's like your in school to learn but you get nothing out of it because you have someone else write your essay. If those guys who are ghost writing are only doing it for the money, I may understand where they're coming from, but it just shouldn't be constituted as righteous.

[bigted]

The rap game is rediculous now with all this ghostwriting s*** but then again Marvin Gaye didn't write many of his lyrics but he had a great voice and was a great performer, hehad a lot of talent to say the least, I think it's ok though if Snoop has help in between since he got a nice flow on the mic but when you have people who have limited artistic abilty for music like Puffy who's an A&R of his label/producer who could dance but he got limited vocal ability, Dr. Dre's an A&R of his label/producer(for what it's worth these days), Kanye's a producer who has a label too, Nick Cannon's a comedian/actor, John Cena is a wrestler, Shaq's a basketball player, Bow Wow's just a kid, hell you even have porno chicks and other type of model chicks making rap albums now, these people have no freestyling abilty or do they have good enough flow to be on the microphone, you could see them as rap sharades, they should stick to however else they make money. LL and Will act but they've been ripping mcs and been stage presences on the microphone for so long so they've been the exception obviously but it's sad to see what the game has come to...

Now as far as Sugar Hill Gang, they do have talent, they were discovered freestyling at a pizza place, KRS makes fun of that but hey hip-hop could be anywhere right?

Edited December 16, 2005 by bigted

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