Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 4, 2004 Members Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well, I know there has been alot of positivity about this song (also from will), but isn't their anyone who sees this as being part of the religious extremism and fundamentalism comming up in the United States? most likely rooted from the rising fear and uncertenty about the future surrounding the terrorism, the wars and such? well, or not I dunno. PS. I think it is strange that in the song he really does not speak about christian moral that much at all, he just speaks about jesus being the saviour and the devil being the evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsJim89 Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I'm a christian and I do not find the song offensive at all. Powerful message and Kanye did a good job providing rap with something positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 5, 2004 Author Members Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 im not saying it is offenciv, epecially not against christians I am asking wether or not you think it is part of the wave of christian extremism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prince Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) You're looking very deeply into this Daedalus Mortality... Although I can't answer as I haven't heard this myself... Edited August 5, 2004 by Prince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 The only people offended by the song would be non-Christians who aren't confident in their own beliefes. If they aren't Christians and they are comfortable and totally confident in what they believe in, then they would just ignore the song. Only people who don't know what they believe in and people who wanna knock Christianity would have anything negative 2 say about the song. I don't what u mean by "Christian extremism" tho'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 5, 2004 Author Members Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) I don't know whythe both of you talk about offenciv i neve aid the song was offincive to anyone. and Christian extremism is well just like Islamic extremism only whit christians quote: "God bless america" Edited August 5, 2004 by Daedalus Mortality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prince Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) Hey I'm not talking offensively... I just think it's insane that you should look into a song deeper than it's intended to be looked into. And I see what you are trying to say with Christian extremism. Edited August 5, 2004 by Prince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 5, 2004 Author Members Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 im not looking into the song to deep, i am just notecing a wave of upcoming christian extremism and just much more attention to christianity and even the re-merging of religion and state in the USA. Wich I pesonally find rather scary(as would I with all religions)and in wich this song fits perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prince Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Do you not find it scarier the other extremism going on at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 That's the sad thing about society these days, you get criticized if you talk about God like if it's a curse or somethin', Kanye West has done a great thing for hip-hop by releasing this track as a single 'cause he's speakin' from his heart in it, it doesn't matter what religion u r u gotta recognize that! "So here go my single dog radio needs this They say you can rap about anything except for Jesus That means guns, sex, lies, video tapes But if I talk about God my record won't get played Huh?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 5, 2004 Author Members Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) [quote]Do you not find it scarier the other extremism going on at the moment? [/quote] no, why? [b] Christian extremists:[/b] [quote]Ann Coulter: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. [/quote] [quote]Gary DeMar: The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty. [/quote] [quote]Joseph Morecraft: Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol. [/quote] [quote]Gary North: This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians. [/quote] [quote]Randall Terry: I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. [/quote] [quote]Randall Terry: The next step, if at all humanly possible (and in 90% of the cases it is), it is to get our children out of the humanistic, brianwashing institution called `public education.' Frankly, it is a mixture of insanity and irresponsibility to turn our children over to our adversaries and their curriculum in a God-less education system (i.e., a system that teaches history and science without God). [/quote] [b]Islamic ones:[/b] [quote] Ruhollah Khomeini: [T]hose who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God's law]. [/quote] [quote]Osama bin Laden: Every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews, and Christians; this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate toward them. [/quote] [quote]Ahmad Abu Halabiya: Allah, deal with the Jews, your enemies and the enemies of Islam. Deal with the crusaders, and America, and Europe behind them, O Lord of the worlds. [/quote] [quote]Hasan al-Banna: The supreme martyrdom is only conferred on those who slay or are slain in the way of God. As death is inevitable and can happen only once, partaking in jihad is profitable in this world and the next [/quote] And I find them both ecually scary Edited August 5, 2004 by Daedalus Mortality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prince Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) I agree both are equally scary... Forget the extremist groups for a second though, in my opinion the "project for the all american centuray" is infact far scarier. All this "making the world a better place", but the evidence is there that since then extremism in the world has worsened. Ultimately, there will always be extremism and there has been for centuries, but for the US to use all military means at their disposel to secure assets vital for the well being of the USA and its economey. Basically use force to take control of places with oil, and to miltiarily take over any country that could threaten the US ability to do what it likes. This is far scarier. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney are all signatories of a Statement of Principles, and in this it states (and I quote... This is from a website by the way) "Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next." Would you not agree this is scarier? I know I certainly feel this is a very threatening statement for anyone outwith the USA. What are your opinions on this Daedalus Mortality? I am very interested in your political opinions. Edited August 5, 2004 by Prince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Prince Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) Oh, and before anyone makes accusations against me of being Anti-American, and being protected by them as the UK is "shoulder to shoulder" with the USA... The UK is made up of 4 countries, Scotland being my country and the northernmost (which also has a dramatic past, which sees some people still angry at southerners for events which happened many hundred years ago)... It is one of the nations listed as a threat to national security of the US because its politics is a threat to the existance of the UK. Last year the US administration issued an order for the UK to ban Sinn Fein, the SNP (Scottish National Party), the SSP (Scottish Socialist Party), and the green party (the green party being the environmentalists), "and any other political organisation against the right of the UK to exist". Edited August 6, 2004 by Prince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daedalus Mortality Posted August 6, 2004 Author Members Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 (edited) ofcourse I agree that is far more dangerous, the extemists are civilians and the USA is a country, a super power. And besids the recourses they will gain from war its also a known fact that the entire American economy is based on warfare. They got out of their economical crisis becouse of ww2 (before wich they were not one of the worlds tue super powers) and have been in constant war since, wich like the quote sugested is of great importance for them. And also the usa likes to think international law doesnt apply to them, for example the international court of law is here in the Netherlands (Slobodan milosovic is on trial here) so when war criminals are captured they should be brought here for procecution, but the US have created a law a while ago that if american war criminals get arrested the US can invade holland , free them and take them back by foce. And ofcourse there are many other examples like the invasion of Iraq and the things going on on guatanamo bay. (And im from Holland and our leaders are America ass kissers. :P) Edited August 6, 2004 by Daedalus Mortality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Daedalus, thanx 4 posting those quotes cuz now i know what we are talking about now. Those people are insane and none of them have any power in this country so i don't see any kinda twisted revolution on the rise at all. And there is definitly no connection beween them and Kanye's song. That's just silly. As a Christian, i think those people quoted above are jokes and infact are NOT really Christians tho' they think they might be. Spiritualism is one of those things where there are legit followers and then there are the people who are so wrapped up in the media and making themselves look good that they 4get everything that it's about...if they were ever spiritual in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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