Guest Guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Also, for Jazzy Julie - Chamillionaire..wack?!? What in the hell are you listening to, because Cham is FAR from wack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) Well Will's considered "Mr. Nice Guy", basically he wouldn't go out of his way to criticise nobody, that's how he is, usually if he ain't feeling somebody he won't come out and say it either though, the thing is if he says he likes somebody we like we hold it up highly and go along with the fact that he respects them, since most of us like 2Pac it's like we're cool with Will sayin' that but if Will says that he's feelin' somebody most of us don't like like 50 we'll deny it like he didn't mean to say it that way but the reality is if he's gonna come out and say that he's feeling somebody he does feel them, he has the right to his own opinion whether we like those artists he does or not, he could listen to Britney Spears all day for all I care as long as his music doesn't start sounding weak I'm cool with that, btw you gotta log in guest, you did make some good points there... Edited August 24, 2006 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Simply put, Will stated he likes Jay-Z, wack rapper #1 and company, and there is no possible way for that to be 'taken out of context'. He is allowed to like cats you don't like, you just gotta live with it. Just like Bigted said...FP is "Mr. Nice Guy"...i've always called him a team player. He talks good about everybody personally. Whatever trax that are out at the time, he calls them 'hot." But those same rappers making those same songs are exactly the people he is talking about in trax like "Lost + Found." FP would never say "_______ is wack." Everyone knows that, but he's knocking the same stuff that alot of us do when we talk about the state of commerical rap. While giving Jay-Z props, he's even said that he needs 2 venture in2 new territory. For those of u like gangsta rap and commerical rappers, u can like whatever u want. But don't try 2 make them the exception 2 the stuff JJ+FP have talked about disliking in interviews. When Jeff says there needs 2 be more of a variety on the radio, it's cuz not everyone wants 2 hear T.I., Young Joc, and Young Dro crapping on the rap game like that. When FP says people like Jay-Z need 2 talk about more than jewelry, money, and ho's...he's calling out those who have no creativity when it comes 2 lyrics and subject matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) Chuck D has said quite a few times that this is really considered the singles' era where people focus more what the radio plays rather than looking for content on the albums and that's what the problem of the rap game is, he's right on point with that, people pay too much attention to what's played on the radio than they do paying attention to the quality of albums, it's like they get hypnotised into buying albums just 'cause of the songs they hear on the radio but they might not even listen to the albums that much after they get them or I guess they want to look cool and play that song in their car systems like everybody else, I notice too when kids bump something by 50 or those commercial rappers a lot of them only bump the singles you hear on the radio, they won't bump any of the album cuts, they just get albums for singles it seems and when the singles die down in popularity they'll never play it again and move on to other singles that're "hot", fans who appreciate rap music and music in general will play their albums with pride but they don't do that 'cause they don't appreciate the music... A lot of these fans are sheep, they just go by what's hot and don't search for good music, they just think that whatever the radio plays has to be good, rap has become more like fast food, these ignorant people are the reason why things are the way it is, if they were more aware then maybe record labels would change their way, it just tells you that most of the people who buy albums are kids that don't have the understanding or appreciation to what good music is, and then again those complaining about what the radio plays and don't search for good albums ain't helping the cause either, if you could find enough good music you won't even have enough time to worry about what the radio plays 'cause you could put that quality on your own rotation playlist without radio dictating you,but then again that's not only a problem with rap, I mean we all know why Paris Hilton has a record deal 'cause she's the "it" girl right now, the music industry has no heart, it's all about pimping these young kids but it was always about sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll if you think about the pop music culture over many decades but it's just marketed more than ever by these shark suit executives and the real artists don't have that much of a chance to make it, but personally like I said earlier if Will's gonna make songs like "Who Am I" and "Lost and Found" talk about how much he ain't feelin' gangsta rap, why can't he just come out and say who exactly he ain't feelin' specifically? FP needs to use his power to stand up for what's right and if it takes beating negative cats then so be it, it needs to be done... Edited August 24, 2006 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuga Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 isn't hero supposed to step in and steer the thread back to the topic??? because right now, we are WAY off topic, from sales to beef to who Will hates/loves and to hip hop as a whole... personally, i think Will does care abt sales, i mean, as an artist, how can he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Well seeing the direction of this thread it's obvious that we care more about record sales than Will does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Julie Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 "Original – A first form from which varieties arise An authentic work of art as opposed to an imitation or reproduction Why should I try to sound like ya’ll sound That’s what’s wrong with the rap game right now Man, it’s like a circus wit a bunch of clowns Wit a bunch of clicks I’ll probably rap circles around I spit heatrock and I ain’t talking rollin Soon as the beat knock I’m crowd controlling When I hear ya’ll that a awful sound I don’t ride beats I take them off the ground Land them somewhere show them the town Even on foreign ground I let them know I’m around I don’t follow everybody when it’s time to rap At one time everybody thought the world was flat Sounds like you that was my intention I paid dues now dudes pay attention I live for it even though the flicks is hittin’ Cribs sick you can see the booth from the kitchen Speak on it cause I saw it happen This is hip hop dawg I ain’t just rappin Ya’ll looking at a real MC Man you couldn’t check a mic for me Why should I try to sound like ya’ll sound That’s what’s wrong with the rap game right now Man, it’s like a circus wit a bunch of clowns Wit a bunch of clicks I’ll probably rap circles around Why should I try to sound like ya’ll sound That’s what’s wrong wit the rap game right now Why should I try to flow the way ya’ll flow Or do a show like ya’ll show Naw that ain’t where my head at now Ya’ll in the hip hop lost and found Man, that’s wrong with the rap game right now It’s like a circus wit a bunch of clowns Wit a bunch of clicks I’ll probably rap circles around VERSE 2 Let’s talk about rhyme capability Let’s talk about hip hop versatility Let’s talk about taking the game beyond Now how the hell we gon have a battle of wits Trick you ain’t armed Let’s talk about love for the game I mean real love Back before there was fame I’m real wit it I ain’t claiming to reign But when ya’ll talk about rap Ya’ll gon start saying my name For real though I ain’t playin Plenty of ya’ll love a brotha just scared to say it Yo the first ever rap grammy Let’s talk about the only reason yo ass went to Miami (Yup) truck wit rims (check) throw back jersey (check) champagne bottles (check) lot’s of models (check) Damn that’s the list for 90 percent of ya’ll videos and songs Am I wrong Why should I try to sound like ya’ll sound That’s what’s wrong with the rap game right now Man, it’s like a circus wit a bunch of clowns Wit a bunch of clicks I’ll probably rap circles around LOST When you a slave to the biz Wit no care for the cost of what you sayin to kids FOUND Is when ya lyrics are a test of time And your mom hear that your spirit is blessed divine LOST Is when you rhyme til your throat gets sore But you don’t even believe what you say no more FOUND Is when you bleed heart into the mic And the pain you sustain it can change a life LOST Is when you hide behind the freedom of speech While sure you’re free to do it But what it mean to do it Did you mean to do it Did you need to do it Did you take time to think about the seeds you ruined FOUND Is ESCO, dead PREZ and them FOUND Is Lauren Hill FOUND Is Rakim FOUND Can be you If you felt the message and ask yourself this questioin Why should I try to sound like ya’ll sound That’s what’s wrong with the rap game right now Man, it’s like a circus wit a bunch of clowns Wit a bunch of clicks I’ll probably rap circles around" "I call for the days of the unadulterated When the artistry was cultivated You know, back when rap was smart and multilayered We could rap without A&Rs& ultimatums (damn) Now today I could say I long for the days when the party was all about partyin’ I was a mini-party starter then My mind bends when I call my pen The big question should I run the mind a vittle Food for thought or dumb the rhyme a little But Will “if you come to high that’ll alienate folks & they won’t buy it”(yo), Look, people getting trapped in the track & they be clappin’, even when the rappin’ is wack Yo, what happened, when did we get happy wit that? He’s old-fashioned (yup), but let’s be happy he’s back (Ya heard me!)" "raps dying and our only hope is the chosen" "I was born to reign Point blank my name To be etched in stone My destiny pre-ordained Trying to live righteous Fighting for life thiis my life And That's why I go light on my vices Tightening the vices of truth on the ruthless This rhyme and the crime is their mind is just useless The path of the poison The genesis of the genecide You and your boys trying to decide What to write but your pen is a sword And the blade is being forged Young minds getting gorged States have been altered by liquor by weed And then hate gets exalted as art falls to greed Choices is made As the voices is layed On the track Contract your souls away Soldier rage Did you see his new benz But the mic is the syringe Now you proud of your Got a lot of new friends Got a lot of new ends Bought a house up in the hill Frontin shouts to the pen Giving false accounts Of your accounts amounts amounts to fan treason Stands to reason Since your inception Laced with deception And read false affection and must perish From my terrace I see the fire burn in the streets But I won't shield my eyes to the heat Born to reign I was born to reign I was born to reign" These are all lyrics from Wills most recent albums, and u trying to say Will likes gangsta rap now. read the lyrics carefully and try and tell me Will likes gangsta rap. 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Big Willie Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) Julie, I think you missed out a very important lyric from "Who Am I?" that solidifies your argument. "With the strength to stand and say gangsta rap was wack" Edited August 24, 2006 by Big Willie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Julie Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 exactly!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) Will said that gangsta rap was wack but then he shows love to gangsta rappers like Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre who were the kings of gangsta rap thenand were the ones that helped make gangsta rap as popular as it is now, they've inspired all these rap artists like G-Unit, Boyz In The Hood, Rick Ross,and Murder Inc. to curse a lot, rap about drugs, guns, money, and hoes, they all grew up on "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" since gangsta rap was at the peak when a lot of them were young... And of course like I said he had Lil' Kim featured on a couple tracks earlier on "Willenium" before that point he made in "Who Am I" about how "I had the strength to say that gangsta rap was wack", it just doesn't make sense, he has Snoop Dogg featured right after all the things he said on many tracks earlier on "Lost and Found" about how rappers make 90% of their songs about cars, drugs, ice, and hoes, where that seems to be 90% of what Snoop's been rapping about for the last 10+ years it seems... Will flip flops like a politician it seems, maybe he is gonna run for president after all :jusmindyabizness: I honestly think that Will just criticises gangsta rap once in a while just to protect his clean cut image since he knows a lot of his fans are older and ain't into that gangsta rap, let's be real, he's just sayin' how he knows most if his fans feel but he don't personally feel that way 'cause the way I see it he actually does like it if he's gonna shout some of them out and collab with them, if he really hated gangsta rap that much he wouldn't work with them at all or give any of them props either, Will does care about sales 'cause if he knows if he goes all out and disses every gangsta rapper in the industry he'll be blackballed out of a record deal on a major label, he just does it in moderation enough to hold onto his older audience, and of course record label people like Jimmy Iovine(Interscope president) are to blame for the way the rap industry is with all these gangsta rappers, they're the ones who sign them, but what can you expect since rap is so popular, it's more than just a lifestyle now, it's also a buisiness, in order for it to go back to the artform the music genre needs to be underground but like that article on allhiphop.com said we'd complain if nobody gave rap music recogntion, what do we really want? Edited August 24, 2006 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 (edited) Exactly. Ya`ll are saying he hates it, based on those lyrics. He also said that Biggie`s Ready To Die is one of the best albums ever. He also recordet songs with Petey Pablo, Lil Kim, Snoop Dogg.. Come on. Edited August 28, 2006 by Turntable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 "Alot like LL, Chuck D, Slick, + Doug E." Notice he's not mentioning any phoney, unoriginal rappers. Snoop is versitile. He has good songs and bad songs...good lyrics and bad lyrics. He's been stayed consistent over the last decade. And strangely enough, he fits in on "Pump Ya Breaks"...tho' i could easily see the song being just as good without him. The Lil' Kim colabo happened just cuz she waz popular at the time. They have nothing in common and they aren't personal friends. And's amoungst the 3 weakest songs he's done ever. And the Petey Pablo trax didn't see the light of day 4 obvious reasons. FP likes 2 mix it up and try different things. He works with different people on every album just 2 do something new since he's been recording for over 20 years. Anyone who is trying 2 put FP in the same category as modern commercial rappers who often don't have any reality or quality in their music is just trying 2 justify their watered down taste in music. When u think of Fresh Prince, u think of Run-DMC, LL Cool J, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah and so on...not Ja-Rule, Lil' Kim, Petey Pablo, Lil' Jon, Bow Wow, and Young Joc. Get past "Will Smith, mr. nice guy, megastar, media magnet" and listen 2 the lyrics. It's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny 5 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 No way is Da Butta one of Will's worst 3 tracks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 (edited) If you talk abut me: I dont try to put him on line with those guys. Not at all. I`m just saying that it seems kinda weird. Why is Ready To Die one of his favourite Records, if he hates Gangsta Rap? Why was Big Pun, Cameron and them in the Studio with him? Dont tell me they where popular, caus around that time Will sold 14 Mil, and they didnt sell ish. By the way, how do you know himand Kim arent cool? I think its diffrent. He doesnt hate Gangsta Rap as a whole, he just doesnt like Gangsat rappesr if they dont show skills. That sounds more reasnoble to me, if you look at the facts. "With the strength to stand and say gangsta rap was whack". He thought it was wack, back in the day (Around the time he stopped Rapping). He grew up, he stardet to aprreciate some stuff, as long as its quality (And the problem is, that often it isnt quality).. Thats why he likes Ready To Die and stuff like that. Edited August 28, 2006 by Turntable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Julie Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 how can u say he grew up and likes gangsta now, his last album he practically made a whole song about how gangsta rap is wack. Again i quote "truck wit rims (check) throw back jersey (check) champagne bottles (check) lot’s of models (check) Damn that’s the list for 90 percent of ya’ll videos and songs Am I wrong" this is gangsta rap, thats what its all about. You need to listen to his lyrics, thats where he says the truth, u cant take what he says in interviews as gospal, thats called good PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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